Board 8 > Marvel Snap Topic 15: Lack of Phoenix Forsight

(+) Yeah! (+)

If she were 4-cost I might agree, but as a 5 Im not so sure. By then most of the powerhouses of Bounce are big enough to survive her. I suppose Forge and Nakia can help a little.

Jakyl25 posted...

Lady Deathstrike is gonna be what takes Bounce down a peg

And also make Cerebro 3 worthless. Love them pushing these overtuned cards.

She is gonna make Cerebro and Patriot a bit rougher to use for sure. But if able to beat Cerebro 3 makes a card overtuned then like half the cards in this game are overtuned

WazzupGenius00 posted...

She is gonna make Cerebro and Patriot a bit rougher to use for sure. But if able to beat Cerebro 3 makes a card overtuned then like half the cards in this game are overtuned

They just need to go ahead and buff C3. Either through modding location chances, or making it +3.

Also I'm so tired of this push through the late 90s slog of brainless and borderline uncounterable meta decks :(

So what kinds of bugs are we expecting to see with Echo?

RuneterranSnap posted...

Also I'm so tired of this push through the late 90s slog of brainless and borderline uncounterable meta decks :(

Yeah, I'm here too now. Conquest is incredibly frustrating to play as a result. Regular play is fine, but I'm not that deep into the ranks. But it's just obnoxious that we go from Galactus BS to High Evo BS to this Bounce BS. And all of them make you feel nearly useless against them for the most part.

The Conquest grind still sucks imo. I dont care if there are more weeks it feels like it takes FOREVER to get anywhere reward wise. Also I still cant get these last 4-6 Kitty boosters yet either :(

swordz9 posted...

So what kinds of bugs are we expecting to see with Echo?

Still works under Dark Dimension, of course

guess I'm kinda dumb for not realizing this before but Deathstrike is finally another answer for Dracula

Spotlights went Kang -> Negasonic Teenage Warhead -> Iron Lad -> Echo

Only cards I'm missing now are Howard the Duck and Stegron (for one whole week and then my lack of spotlights catches up to me)

In case anyone was still wondering, High Evo decks are still the fucking shits to play against. Just ran into my first full High Evo deck in a while. Just a complete miserable experience, even with the nerfs.

KommunistKoala posted...

Spotlights went Kang -> Negasonic Teenage Warhead -> Iron Lad -> Echo

Only cards I'm missing now are Howard the Duck and Stegron (for one whole week and then my lack of spotlights catches up to me)

So youre saying that when you pulled your Random 4/5 Spotlight Cache, you had a grand total of 4 missing potential pulls and pulled one?

Jeez, great job

Got Iron Lad and Echo. Not interested at all in Kang so I will save my other two spotlights.

I haven't seen any HE decks since the nerfs and honestly they were starting to disappear before that too.

Right now it seems like everyone is running some variation of Galactus Destroy. It has Shuri and Nimrod and blah blah blah trying to play Galactus on turn 6.

Maybe it's finally time to move on from this game because it's been stale for a while. I'd love to be proven wrong but I think this game is ultimately too simple to introduce any interesting decks or archetypes at this point. It's not a good sign when it feels like creativity is already floundering this early into the game's life.

I mean even if they do decide to add a new keyword or a new deck style completely imagine how slow it would take to actually build up enough cards to play it.

High Evo is absolutely coming back after Bounce gets nerfed, so brace yourself for that terribleness.

Kang'd :(

I saw my first Kang in like a month today, right after I Jean Grey'd and then played Cosmo.

Jean Grey/Cosmo is such a bastard combo, I love it.

In case anyone hasnt noticed, theres a new event going called Conquest Frenzy where if you win 10 games per day (as in the usual day the game clocks from 11 PM EDT to the next 11 PM EDT) in any mode, you get a free Gold Conquest Ticket, every day for a week starting today

Jakyl25 posted...

In case anyone hasnt noticed, theres a new event going called Conquest Frenzy where if you win 10 games per day (as in the usual day the game clocks from 11 PM EDT to the next 11 PM EDT) in any mode, you get a free Gold Conquest Ticket, every day for a week starting today

But then that means your reward is playing Conquest mode.

Which is awful.

skullbone posted...

I haven't seen any HE decks since the nerfs and honestly they were starting to disappear before that too.

Right now it seems like everyone is running some variation of Galactus Destroy. It has Shuri and Nimrod and blah blah blah trying to play Galactus on turn 6.

Maybe it's finally time to move on from this game because it's been stale for a while. I'd love to be proven wrong but I think this game is ultimately too simple to introduce any interesting decks or archetypes at this point. It's not a good sign when it feels like creativity is already floundering this early into the game's life.

I mean even if they do decide to add a new keyword or a new deck style completely imagine how slow it would take to actually build up enough cards to play it.

They need to infuse a lot of new cards at once I think. I'm gonna get the Loki pass but may take a break after that to get that feeling of a bunch of new things

I dunno if the game is missing novelty or depth. You'd have to play a ton to really get bored of all the decks by now.

I think what's missing is some sort of community multiplayer mode. There's a monthly ladder but it's pretty sterile. My ranking doesn't really relate to any of your rankings. I could've run into more bots, or just faced completely different players. So even though there's a solid 20 players on b8, I don't feel like I'm playing with 20 people month after month.

If they can solve that then I'd play much more.

Lost a completely winnable game against Bounce because Scarlet Witch spawned a sudden monster island and cost me 4 cubes.

Reduce the fucking spawn rate of it already, jesus

that's just a scarlet witch problem

she's programmed to turn the location into exactly what you don't need about 50% of the time. that rises to 85% if it's turn 6

I try to avoid playing her unless I'm getting rid of an actively bad location because yeah she has an uncanny ability to flip locations into bad ones

Been playing a ton of Thanos Force and I love having a reality stone to sneak wins sometimes.

KommunistKoala posted...

that's just a scarlet witch problem

she's programmed to turn the location into exactly what you don't need about 50% of the time. that rises to 85% if it's turn 6

It was the opponent's witch though :(

Rhino and Storm are always options so it's your fault if you take the risk of Scarlet Witch

foolm0r0n posted...

Rhino and Storm are always options so it's your fault if you take the risk of Scarlet Witch

RuneterranSnap posted...

It was the opponent's witch though :(

I don't run Witch myself for that very reason

well for opponents scarlet witch it's the same percentages that it will be a positive effect for them

I tried to make a Scarlet Witch, Quake, Rhino, Storm, Daredevil, Prof X location control deck once, and I just couldnt quite get it to work.

I've definitely had her hose opponents too I like Scarlet Witch. But if I have a match in hand I'm not risking her after turn 2 on a random location

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I tried to make a Scarlet Witch, Quake, Rhino, Storm, Daredevil, Prof X location control deck once, and I just couldnt quite get it to work.

Quake was extremely fun when Bar with No Name was featured lol

Im not really sure how to use echo effectively beyond hoping i guess lucky on a lane while i have priority

Every edge case for echo just seems bad. Even "protecting a wong lane" is bad because you're giving up a spot.

I saw someone suggest echo + viper so you could play like skull and Mary but like... Sauron does that for the same cost and in one card.

Echo bad. Until we have a new dominant ongoing

FFDragon posted...

Echo bad. Until we have a new dominant ongoing

So you're saying buff Cerebro

Big use I see for Echo is to buff Wong decks

Echo X Wong X Mystique means your opponent can't dump Cosmo into that lane and just stuff your stupid combo.

Echo
Zabu/Psylocke
Wong
Mystique
Hazmat + Killmonger
Odin

My kind of degenerate play but I'd never spend 6000 tokens on it.

Wong is already super draw dependent, adding another card into the mix isn't great. But on turns 3/5 I suppose you do end up with an extra energy that you could use on her.

I think she's there to give them a lever to balance metas that end up too Cosmo-heavy.

Echo could also help destroy decks (that arent running Killmonger) prevent Armor and Cosmo, which may be relevant soon with the big destroy cards that are coming soon

but yeah Cosmo isn't being used in the top like...15 decks and armor isn't much better right now so Echo doesn't need much play

Oh yeah I could see some value to like

Nova -> Echo + Deadpool on same lane followed by a destroy to that lane later.

Honestly Echo isn't that bad it's just a narrow tech card that never should have been released at 6000 tokens.

Shouldnt the main threats Echo stops be stuff like Darkhawk and Devil Dinosaur anyways?

Echo can't really do those without prediction. I mean it works but you'd rather just use enchantress or rogue for that.

Echo I feel fits in more as a protection card to protect your lane from enemy ongoings annoying you. I mean I guess if you know they're playing Knull or Darkhawk or whatever you can secure a lane with it if you have priority on turn 6 where Rogue and Enchantress wouldn't help in that case. That's another use.

Prof X is a good target too since there's no real way to stop him before her

foolm0r0n posted...

Prof X is a good target too since there's no real way to stop him before her

I do love baiting someone into playing X on an empty lane then dropping Jeff and Cerebro lol

I run Jeff and love that too but I gotta go with my boi Klaw for best lockdown counter

Prof X right lane, Echo mid to stuff Klaw obv

foolm0r0n posted...

I run Jeff and love that too but I gotta go with my boi Klaw for best lockdown counter

Klaw is underrated af

Darkhawk and Dinosaur can be played before turn 6 though. Does her ability not work like I think it does? It sounds like if someone plays an Ongoing in a lane you can just play her the turn after and disable it?

Enchantress only stops ongoings after they have been played.

Echo only stops them before they have been played.

swordz9 posted...

Darkhawk and Dinosaur can be played before turn 6 though. Does her ability not work like I think it does? It sounds like if someone plays an Ongoing in a lane you can just play her the turn after and disable it?

No you have to play before, and with priority. If they play Hawk/Dino before T6 you can crush them with Enchantress/Rogue. The only blind spot is if they play T6 and you have priority, which is the niche Echo fills.