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omniryu
09/17/23 11:52:35 PM
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Why?

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Solar_Crimson
09/17/23 11:53:09 PM
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Radiant Historia

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EthanSilver
09/17/23 11:54:01 PM
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Meh. I think it's overhyped. I like it. But I don't think it's king of JRPGs
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Zonbei
09/17/23 11:55:42 PM
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omniryu posted...
Why?

As someone whose favorite game is CT, there are many games that have surpassed it in many ways. The real reason none of them has surpassed it is we played it when we were younger, most of us. I think if I had played Sea of Stars when I was a kid instead, Id be just as much into that, because in many ways its the better game.

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Lukey_Bug
09/17/23 11:59:56 PM
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Chrono Cross is better. Fight me

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Zonbei
09/18/23 12:01:19 AM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Chrono Cross is better. Fight me

I love Chrono cross but no. Just no

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omniryu
09/18/23 12:08:57 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Radiant Historia
I will have to try it out.

Zonbei posted...
As someone whose favorite game is CT, there are many games that have surpassed it in many ways. The real reason none of them has surpassed it is we played it when we were younger, most of us. I think if I had played Sea of Stars when I was a kid instead, Id be just as much into that, because in many ways its the better game.
Idk, I think nostalgia does play a factor but I don't think, imo, that's the only thing.

Like mario and zelda to me both have games as good as better since alttp.
I think some 3D sonic games are more intriguing to play than the 2D

It just the time concept, the way they tug you back and forth to the past. It was an amazing game. Still is. Let's go into an alternate world where Chrono trigger is made today, let's say in DQ 11 artstyle and that would have been game of the year or a contender.

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Chrono Cross is better. Fight me
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vycebrand2
09/18/23 12:11:33 AM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Chrono Cross is better. Fight me
Your on

Pros
Music might be the best ever produced for a game
Graphics Good for a PS1 game

Cons
Story is barely there. Nothing memorable in the 20 years since it came out.
Characters. The amount it has is way too many. Could have cut it down to 10. The amount that are intregal to the story
Combat it's confusing and too complicated. To max dmg you have to set the field a color of the spell you want to cast takes 4 turns to do that. Way too slow.


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MarcyWarcy
09/18/23 12:19:32 AM
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the story of chrono cross is absolutely there, it's just a very different story than the one CT tries to tell. It's honestly probably stronger in its overall plot even if the cast itself of CC is weaker.

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Zonbei
09/18/23 12:22:01 AM
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MarcyWarcy posted...
the story of chrono cross is absolutely there, it's just a very different story than the one CT tries to tell. It's honestly probably stronger in its overall plot even if the cast itself of CC is weaker.

Yeah, if anything the story of CT is barely there compared to CC. The characters are definitely worse in CC though, and so is the pacing.

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Lukey_Bug
09/18/23 12:22:34 AM
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vycebrand2 posted...
Your on

Pros
Music might be the best ever produced for a game
Graphics Good for a PS1 game

Cons
Story is barely there. Nothing memorable in the 20 years since it came out.
Characters. The amount it has is way too many. Could have cut it down to 10. The amount that are intregal to the story
Combat it's confusing and too complicated. To max dmg you have to set the field a color of the spell you want to cast takes 4 turns to do that. Way too slow.

What? The combat isnt confusing at all. Smack stuff to charge element use and use an element. And yeah the field is part of what makes it interesting.

Also agreed probably my favorite soundtrack out there.

Sure there's a fuck ton of useless characters but you don't have to use them.

The story I'll say I had trouble understanding cause I was 10 when it first came out but on subsequent playthroughs it made more sense.

Honestly my biggest gripe about it was that Orlha was only playable in the last 10% of the game.

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Ricemills
09/18/23 12:25:47 AM
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People who actually played CT would know that CC has a story. The deeper parts is buried under the connection to CT.

Sometimes i feel that people bashed CC because it's the cool thing to do, and they never actually played both games. So did theu overhyped CT, because that's what the cool kids do.

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ChocoboMog123
09/18/23 12:29:40 AM
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I was going to make a topic on this, but 12-year-old god-kid played through CT recently and he loved it.

He really liked the time travel and the story.
He thought Frog and Robo were awesome.
He didn't get Magus in his first playthrough.
When he saw NG+ it blew his mind. He thought the game was over. He got all the endings, was happy to get Magus and use him, and just had fun being super powerful.

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Killmonger
09/18/23 12:31:26 AM
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Persona 5 Royal

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omniryu
09/18/23 12:34:58 AM
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Ricemills posted...
People who actually played CT would know that CC has a story. The deeper parts is buried under the connection to CT.

Sometimes i feel that people bashed CC because it's the cool thing to do, and they never actually played both games. So did theu overhyped CT, because that's what the cool kids do.
There is a sale going on for CC on the Switch. I might get it.

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Sansoldier
09/18/23 12:45:13 AM
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Nothing is as good as Chrono Trigger with a similar finish time. It's just very compact and accomplishes what it aims to do very well.

However, there are several more expansive games that end up being better. Narratively, you have the Trails series that crafts a story for an entire continent. Other top RPGs over the years have quality gameplay and content, possibly edging out Chrono Trigger overall as well.

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PraetorXyn
09/18/23 12:57:27 AM
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vycebrand2 posted...
Your on

Pros
Music might be the best ever produced for a game
Graphics Good for a PS1 game

Cons
Story is barely there. Nothing memorable in the 20 years since it came out.
Characters. The amount it has is way too many. Could have cut it down to 10. The amount that are intregal to the story
Combat it's confusing and too complicated. To max dmg you have to set the field a color of the spell you want to cast takes 4 turns to do that. Way too slow.
Ill add the con that the boss stars thing makes encounters utterly pointless since you dont get any exp etc.

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Nota214
09/18/23 1:09:24 AM
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omniryu posted...
Idk, I think nostalgia does play a factor but I don't think, imo, that's the only thing.

Like mario and zelda to me both have games as good as better since alttp.
I think some 3D sonic games are more intriguing to play than the 2D


See, you're wrong because ALttP is the best Zelda game. Not only did it define the design used for all the future Zelda games, it also has the best romhacks. In fact, one of those romhacks was so good that Nintendo decided to release their own romhack and call it a sequel on the 3DS. This is why it's the GOAT. To argue otherwise would just be due to your nostalgia blinding you to reality.
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PraetorXyn
09/18/23 1:10:43 AM
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Nota214 posted...
See, you're wrong because ALttP is the best Zelda game. Not only did it define the design used for all the future Zelda games, it also has the best romhacks. In fact, one of those romhacks was so good that Nintendo decided to release their own romhack and call it a sequel on the 3DS. This is why it's the GOAT. To argue otherwise would just be due to your nostalgia blinding you to reality.
ALBW was great. What was the rom hack?

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Dark_Arbron
09/18/23 1:11:14 AM
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Im not sure if FF6 came before or after Chrono Trigger, but all that really means is that CT was either surpassed before it came out or not long after.

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Nota214
09/18/23 1:14:12 AM
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PraetorXyn posted...
ALBW was great. What was the rom hack?
Parallel Worlds
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MarcyWarcy
09/18/23 2:10:00 AM
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PraetorXyn posted...
Ill add the con that the boss stars thing makes encounters utterly pointless since you dont get any exp etc.

you get stat ups for fighting random encounters that do eventually max out in the form of kind of like a mini level up per boss star. You also get crafting materials

The boss star thing isn't perfect but it's honestly kind of ahead of its time. A lot of jrpgs treat grinding as a dirty word nowadays, it was an early attempt to try and mitigate that.

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PraetorXyn
09/18/23 9:13:23 AM
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MarcyWarcy posted...
you get stat ups for fighting random encounters that do eventually max out in the form of kind of like a mini level up per boss star. You also get crafting materials

The boss star thing isn't perfect but it's honestly kind of ahead of its time. A lot of jrpgs treat grinding as a dirty word nowadays, it was an early attempt to try and mitigate that.
Yeah, Im a grinder, so I never liked it.

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Robot2600
09/18/23 9:46:23 AM
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TMOG
09/18/23 9:50:02 AM
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Chrono Trigger definitely still holds up as one of the best examples of the JRPG genre, but to say that no game in 20+ years has been better is just nostalgia and nothing more.

EDIT: Goddamn, nearly 30 years, actually. I'm getting way too old. ;-;
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Avirosb
09/18/23 9:51:06 AM
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It's such a shameless rip-off Dragon Ball.

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LordMarshal
09/18/23 9:52:15 AM
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Heal all is so cheap and powerful that it breaks the game. Everyone can fill in any empty slot with it and can be a healer.

The Mastermune does break any challenge but i dont harp on it too much cause its a very late game super weapon that you have to go get from an optional boss fight.....

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PraetorXyn
09/18/23 9:52:38 AM
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Avirosb posted...
It's such a shameless rip-off Dragon Ball.
? Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball) did the character designs

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Avirosb
09/18/23 9:53:51 AM
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PraetorXyn posted...
? Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball) did the character designs
Oh, I see. Thank you for responding to me in good faith.

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PraetorXyn
09/18/23 10:03:29 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Oh, I see. Thank you for responding to me in good faith.
No problem. I was just very confused as I thought this was common knowledge. They called the Chrono Trugger development leads the Dream Team, as it was Hironobu Sakaguchi (the creator of Final Fantasy), Yuji Hor (the creator of Dragon Quest), and Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball). It also had Nobuo Uematsu (main Final Fantasy composer), Kazuhiro Aoki (another FF designer) and Yasunori Mitsuda (another all time great composer).

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Fluttershy
09/18/23 10:04:33 AM
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it's no xenogears

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CassandraCroft
09/18/23 10:05:18 AM
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Did you know the game never came out in Europe when it was first released.

Nintendo Europe must have thought the game was a piece of crap and didn't release it in PAL regions when it first came out.

Sony Europe must have felt the same way as they too never released it here in Europe.

It didn't get a European release until it came out on the 3DS in 2009.

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ironman2009
09/18/23 10:05:24 AM
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We have multiple times

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KiwiTerraRizing
09/18/23 10:11:45 AM
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Suikoden 2 did in 98

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omniryu
09/18/23 1:34:34 PM
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Nota214 posted...
See, you're wrong because ALttP is the best Zelda game. Not only did it define the design used for all the future Zelda games, it also has the best romhacks. In fact, one of those romhacks was so good that Nintendo decided to release their own romhack and call it a sequel on the 3DS. This is why it's the GOAT. To argue otherwise would just be due to your nostalgia blinding you to reality.
Lol, pal, ALTTP IS my nostalgia. The first time I seen a zelda game my oldest brother borrowed the game from a friend until my middle brother's birthday were we got our own copy. I remember link walking out of the storm and you have to go to hyrule castle.

But, the zelda series stayed on a good or decent quality there isn't a big gap like the Sonic series had or others like FF.

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omniryu
09/18/23 1:34:49 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
We have multiple times
I demand titles

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Guide
09/19/23 12:47:32 PM
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Chrono Trigger was alright, but I think the lifelong hype surrounding it made my disappointment inevitable. I kept playing, got all the endings, all gear, maxed cap levels just to see if there was some part where it gets really good. But no.

AT art is slammin' tho

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Justin2Krelian
09/19/23 1:05:13 PM
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Its hard to say. I dont think its just nostalgia since I remember, back when it was released on the DS, my younger cousin really liked it, and a guy in his 20s at the time played it for the first time and said it was possibly his favorite iirc.

For me, it already was surpassed with Xenogears and maybe Xenosaga III, but I know most would disagree. Definitely not Chrono Cross. That game did a lot of things great, and a lot not so good.

It probably is still the top RPG of all time in terms of general consensus. The majority might say it was surpassed, but the examples will all be different. The only thing that might have compared was the DLC for Witcher 3.

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Rai_Jin
09/19/23 1:10:42 PM
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FFIX and even VIII.

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ellis123
09/19/23 1:11:58 PM
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Justin2Krelian posted...
Its hard to say. I dont think its just nostalgia since I remember, back when it was released on the DS, my younger cousin really liked it, and a guy in his 20s at the time played it for the first time and said it was possibly his favorite iirc.
There is a difference between liking something and thinking it is the unsurpassed greatest thing ever.

And mostly just nostalgia that keeps CT on top. Anything it does has been done better, but being at a time where very few things competed with it mixed with being young does wonders for its legacy.

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andel
09/19/23 1:13:44 PM
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star ocean 2 definitely surpassed ct in the ps1 era but more recently the trails series have surpassed every rpg or series of rpgs

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DarkBuster22904
09/19/23 1:14:21 PM
#43:


Lukey_Bug posted...
Chrono Cross is better. Fight me
Where'd I leave that "suspend" button...

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Rai_Jin
09/19/23 1:18:06 PM
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andel posted...
but more recently the trails series have surpassed every rpg or series of rpgs

I've had Trails of Berseria for some time, but then I thought it's probably going to be a boring slog and didn't play it yet.

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Guide
09/19/23 1:21:37 PM
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andel posted...
the trails series have surpassed every rpg or series of rpgs

I swear it's just because the writing isn't the same contrite stuff as always, but people confuse that with being good. Just fuckin' read a novel, not everything needs frilly tits and magic.

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Xenogears15
09/19/23 1:23:14 PM
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Fluttershy posted...
it's no xenogears


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JuanCarlos1
09/19/23 1:37:18 PM
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Never finished CT. Hated the time travel aspect.

That said, people did like what was done here so I dont understand why squaresoft and other companies changed the formula for their jrpg games TOO MUCH. You already have a BLUEPRINT on how to make good games, but you go and add the junction system or make it a card battler or completely remove party members and exploration.

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pauIie
09/19/23 1:41:51 PM
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if you think ct hasn't been surpassed then it probably will never be.

it was never my favorite jrpg or game, though, so it never had to be. it's good, though.

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omniryu
09/19/23 2:21:01 PM
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Guide posted...
Chrono Trigger was alright, but I think the lifelong hype surrounding it made my disappointment inevitable. I kept playing, got all the endings, all gear, maxed cap levels just to see if there was some part where it gets really good. But no.

AT art is slammin' tho
What were you expecting?
Rai_Jin posted...
FFIX and even VIII.
I still need to get 8

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omniryu
09/19/23 2:22:12 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Never finished CT. Hated the time travel aspect.

That said, people did like what was done here so I dont understand why squaresoft and other companies changed the formula for their jrpg games TOO MUCH. You already have a BLUEPRINT on how to make good games, but you go and add the junction system or make it a card battler or completely remove party members and exploration.
We need to talk about that. Because when you mention formula. You make me want to talk about paper mario. I feel like it deserves its own topic.

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