Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 407: Lauren Boebert's Handiwork

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Except for the whole forcibly ending the rail strike without giving them sick leave, deal.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Except for the whole forcibly ending the rail strike without giving them sick leave, deal.

Which he then worked behind the scenes to get them sick leave afterwards.

Yeah, if you checked out of the story after Congress passed (and Biden signed) the deal that overrode the strike you basically left Lord of the Rings at the end of the Fellowship of the Ring and figured Sauron won and blasting the Council of Elrond for dooming the world.

The unions and Biden administration as well as others like Bernie quietly continued to pressure the rail companies for sick leave and succeeded in getting railway company after railway company to give it. Unsurprisingly, it was barely covered. I think the first deal in principle with a company was reached in February (the forced end of the strike was December) and more continued to follow.

By May over 33% of workers had gotten sick leave. By June over 60% did.

Hard to find any more recent updates than that, and most searches on Google are about the December 2022 deal ending the strike unless and until you start adding qualifiers to the search to make it about the 2023 developments.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Except for the whole forcibly ending the rail strike without giving them sick leave, deal.

Yeah, not really though. He ended it for the mid terms and then got them a lot of good stuff after. Biden has, to my great surprise, been far better than expected lol

I just personally like not hearing about every little stupid thing the POTUS does anymore. Although I guess we still hear about every little stupid thing the previous one does.

It's nice knowing that if there were anything crazy or complex to deal with that we have a president with qualified advisors who will actually listen to them more often than not.

And less "something relatively simple is occurring that we already have a procedure in place for, but now we have to pay attention because the idiot in charge is going to get involved and make everything worse somehow when all he had to do was nothing at all and take credit afterwards for a problem that could have just handled itself."

SirChris posted...

Yeah, not really though. He ended it for the mid terms and then got them a lot of good stuff after. Biden has, to my great surprise, been far better than expected lol

A third of the Unions disagreed with the forcible ending, which is enough for me to think there was a better way. The fact that they eventually got a week of sick leave later is good, but it sucks it even took that long.

Random aside, when it was over the IBEW thanked Biden for his help, but they also thanked one other person, Bernie Sanders lol.

We coulda had a real one, and no Ill never get over it.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

A third of the Unions disagreed with the forcible ending, which is enough for me to think there was a better way. The fact that they eventually got a week of sick leave later is good, but it sucks it even took that long.

Random aside, when it was over the IBEW thanked Biden for his help, but they also thanked one other person, Bernie Sanders lol.

We coulda had a real one, and no Ill never get over it.

I love Bernie so I do what he does and support Biden when he is right. The labor board's rulings are massively insane tbh, but you do you

lol what? Bernie didnt just support Biden, he very publicly told him that he had the authority to GIVE the them their sick leave and should do it (he didnt do it).

Also it wasnt a labor board ruling, it was 4 entire unions disagreeing, Chris.

We were talking about the labor board rulings which are far more impactful than one strike. Like I said, you do you. LIke, not going to sit here and argue with someone who doesn't live in reality. Biden bad, rawr, etc, I get enough of that elsewhere I'll pass lol

lol its not living in reality to think Biden could be better?

Weird take! You can just not contribute if you disagree, but Im not wrong: Bernie said Joe could do more and he didnt, sorry man.

I have a lot of Union friends, one of the biggest plants in the country is in my hometown, and a ton of people I grew up with work thereand they all were Bernie diehards, but none of them ever say good things about Joe, is all Im saying.

edit: also this is something that could change at anytime! Well see how his visit to the picket line goes

Yes, tbh.

When you say things like "we could have had someone else" you are living in the past. Biden was like, terrible for so long that this is pretty much as well as a Biden timeline could have gone. If union people don't see Biden is doing a lot then that's on them tbh, because the consequences of some of these decisions is massively in favor of unions and the working class.

I think Biden is in the peak Biden timeline, which isn't my favorite timeline but it's better than the Biden I thought I was going to get.

Oh Im well and truly living in the shitty present, Im just pining for the timeline that got away.

Also every time I see Biden speak I feel terror at the 2024 election. 2016-2020 was awful, and 2024-eternity could be so much worse.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Oh Im well and truly living in the shitty present, Im just pining for the timeline that got away

Just remember there is also a worse timeline where Trump is in his second term and talking about how he plans to do a third term now.

We could have gotten 2008 joe biden tbh

Maniac64 posted...

Just remember there is also a worse timeline where Trump is in his second term and talking about how he plans to do a third term now.

lmao this is true, hopefully hes too tired in 2028 to continue with the planand they dont develop the Emperor life-enhancing suit before then.

I'd prefer a 2nd Trump term over the pandemic.

lms, before you post, please take 30s to consider the following questions:

• What is the purpose in making this post? What does it accomplish?
• Is this post relevant and interesting to the conversation being had?
• Given my observations of the board over time, how will people react to this post?

and then decide if it's worth making. There's ambiguity sometimes, I'm sure, but seeing as the answers here are "Nothing", "No", and "Poorly", maybe this is one that could've been left unsent

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT86XnVU4/

And that's fake, right? I legitimately cannot gauge how likely something like that is to be real or not.

Best hints I have that it's fake are the intro was too long and the guy's reaction at the end was too well-timed.

But I'm not like CONVINCED either.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letita-james-fraud-lawsuit-1569245a9284427117b8d3ba5da74249

Judge in Trump's NY Case that he committed real estate fraud rules that he did, in fact, commit fraud. This is the case where the AG is seeking to ban Trump, Junior, Ivanka, and Eric from running a business in NY as well as imposing the death penalty on the Trump Org.

While he has found that fraud was committed, penalities have yet to be imposed. This was the key point in the AG's suit though and the remaining parts of the lawsuits, including penalty, are set to be decided in a non-jury hearing on Monday.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-saudi-property/

"The defenses Donald Trump attempts to articulate in his sworn deposition are wholly without basis in law or fact," wrote Judge Arthur Engoron. In addition to Trump claiming that his properties grew in value beyond what he originally exaggerated them to be anyway, "he also seems to imply that the numbers cannot be inflated because he could find a 'buyer from Saudi Arabia' to pay any price he suggests."

This seems troubling.

Yeah, there's even a footnote in the judge's ruling that notes that that such a claim may signify buying influence rather than "savvy investing."

Also, I held off when I made the initial post because it was early and I didn't want to run with "some people on Twitter are saying" in case it was taking it out of context but it appears that the ruling actually did impose the death penalty on his NY businesses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fraud-ruling-corporate-death-penalty-for-his-empire-experts-2023-9

Business Insider reports...

Trump continues to own his buildings, agreed Moscow and another veteran Manhattan financial-crimes prosecutor, Diana Florence, who's now also in private practice.

Florence likes it to losing a driver's license -- it doesn't change that you own the car, but it changes everything about what you can and can't do with it.

"Without a corporate charter, you can't operate as a corporation," she said. "You can't get loans, you can't apply for government contract.

"It's comparable to once a person dies. A dead person can't sell property. Only the executor of the estate can do that -- or in this case, the receiver."

Florence continued that when corporations go away, it's usually because of bankruptcy.

"This is the same thing, but it's called a judicial dissolution," she said. "It's something that is almost never done. It's a big mess, actually."

In theory, the receiver would continue to collect rents, pay taxes, and pay the bills and the company salaries until the assets are sold off, with Trump, who is the Trump Organization's sole beneficiary, receiving what's left over after any debts and liabilities are met, Florence said.

[...]

Could Trump transfer everything to a new, non-New York corporation and keep running things from out of state? Florence thinks not.

"He can't because he, Donald Trump, is no longer in charge," she said.

She continued: "The receiver will be in charge, and they are answerable to the court. Trump can't tell the receiver what to do."

The NY AG is also seeking a $250m penalty for the various fraud and falsification of records and that seems to be among the outstanding issues that will be decided Monday.

In news from our friends in the North, the Canadian Parliament accidentally gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi veteran and now the speaker has resigned.

also this is less important but having now skimmed the judge's ruling in the fraud case i must now share this gem with you:

"In opposition, the defendants absurdly suggest that 'the calculation of square footage is a subjective process that could lead to differing results or opinions based on the method employed to conduct the calculation.' Well yes, perhaps, if the area is rounded or oddly shaped it is possible measurements of square footage could come to slightly differing results due to user error. Good-faith measurements could vary by as much as 10-20%, not 200%."

lmao square footage is subjective an actual argument trump's legal team tried here

I really hope Biden doesn't get the Democratic Party nomination just because people perceive only he can take down Trump. He's already feeling long in the tooth. Then again maybe it doesn't help that I follow a YouTuber who considers Biden an out-of-touch "dinosaur" (and this is somehow who makes a lot of videos tearing down alt-right commentary channels like The Quartering and Geeks + Gamers).

Thorn posted...

also this is less important but having now skimmed the judge's ruling in the fraud case i must now share this gem with you:

"In opposition, the defendants absurdly suggest that 'the calculation of square footage is a subjective process that could lead to differing results or opinions based on the method employed to conduct the calculation.' Well yes, perhaps, if the area is rounded or oddly shaped it is possible measurements of square footage could come to slightly differing results due to user error. Good-faith measurements could vary by as much as 10-20%, not 200%."

lmao square footage is subjective an actual argument trump's legal team tried here

Well you see, if you include the roof and the crawl space and the potential for them to add further space underground for hidden bunkers, and then you fudge those numbers a little bit, you might get closer to the size that trump thinks it is

But seriously, thank you for sharing the details here. That's insane and i never in my wildest dreams thought that this ruling could even be possible.

More potential Supreme Court corruption this time for Alito and Roberts.

https://www.levernews.com/justices-have-financial-interest-in-major-tax-case/

According to a review of public company documents and judicial financial disclosures, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito together own shares in 19 companies that could see combined tax relief of more than $30 billion if the court issues a broad ruling in the Moore v. United States tax case and strikes down a one-time corporate tax imposed in 2017.

Wow, I can hardly believe that. There's only two justices with that conflict of interest? And neither of them is Thomas? Biggest SCOTUS surprise in quite a while.

I feel like the elections in Slovakia on Saturday are probably important enough to discuss here. Now, I know what youre thinking why the hell should I care about Slovakia?, and there are two reasons:

1) If Robert Fico wins it will mean another pro-Putin populist in Europe who is expected to pull support from Ukraine.

2) This election will basically be a mini-test run for Trump 2024.

So anyway, the backstory is that Robert Fico was Prime Minister of Slovakia who like many started as a fairly milquetoast leader then went hard into populism. He is very much your typical populist strongman leader, the only twist being that he is actually from the left (kind of, its a former communist party meaning left wing economics plus brutal social conservatism, nationalism, Russophilia and anti-LGBTQ stances), very much one of those Trumps before Trump. In 2018 he (temporarily) stood down due to a tremendous amount of corruption allegations and ties to two murders. His party Smer then lost the 2020 election quite badly and he seemed gone.

Fastforward to today, the current government has collapsed and theres an election days away. Robert Ficos party is leading and he could become Prime Minister again. This would obviously be a pretty bad sign for Europe and Ukraine, but also for the US as this will definitely be seen as a model for a Trump comeback if it happens. These mini-Trumps all want Trump back too, to boost their own power. So this is very much a critical election even though its a tiny country. The good news is a liberal pro-European party, Progressive Slovakia, is surging right now and has even taken first in some polls so there is hope yet.

And thats the story of the most important election youve never heard of.

Xeybozn posted...

Wow, I can hardly believe that. There's only two justices with that conflict of interest? And neither of them is Thomas? Biggest SCOTUS surprise in quite a while.

"Thomas, no!"
"Hey, what'd I do?"
"Sorry, force of habit. Roberts, no!"

Xeybozn posted...

Wow, I can hardly believe that. There's only two justices with that conflict of interest? And neither of them is Thomas? Biggest SCOTUS surprise in quite a while.

Thomas is probably disappointed in his colleagues here. For not including him in their conflict of interest.

You're right, that's extremely selfish of Roberts to not invite the rest of the gang

Maybe Kavanaugh makes it a habit to not own stocks in companies whose board of directors paid off his credit cards and mortgages

Watching the debate tonight for always-regretful reasons.

The internet will soon provide a clip of Mike Pence making an unfunny joke about sleeping with his wife. Just...know that and protect yourselves accordingly.

Sounds like it was a total shitshow. So as expected.

I've seen a few people say Ronny did good, but literally all of them have Florida in their bio.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Sounds like it was a total shitshow. So as expected.

I clicked this topic instead of the Scott Pilgrim one by accident and was surprised you were so down on it.

Republican debate is irrelevant. I'm honestly not sure why they're bothering.

its really fucking funny that they're being made to look this stupid, having a debate where the far and away clear favorite isn't even participating

bronze medal competition

ivysnow posted...

its really fucking funny that they're being made to look this stupid, having a debate where the far and away clear favorite isn't even participating

bronze medal competition

The far and away clear favorite doesn't have a vice president, that is what most of them are trying to be. Now like Pence, yea no idea why he is even bothering.

hockeydude15 posted...

The far and away clear favorite doesn't have a vice president, that is what most of them are trying to be. Now like Pence, yea no idea why he is even bothering.

Trump, in his little fake populist speech with the auto workers, said he wouldn't pick any of them for VP lol

He did seem open to giving them cabinet positions though.

Can a president run without selecting a VP?

I tried to look this up myself but am finding nothing on the subject, oddly enough.

I don't think he actually has to. The only reason to is so the Electoral College or the Senate doesn't give him someone he doesn't want.

VP doesn't really have much official power, so ending up with one you don't like wouldn't really be that bad. Well, except for the VP having a good incentive to kill the president and very little reason not to. But other than that, it'd be fine.

_Blur_ posted...

Trump, in his little fake populist speech with the auto workers, said he wouldn't pick any of them for VP lol

you mean his fake populist speech at a non-union plant where he told the auto workers they were on strike for the wrong thing

As for "what if you ran with no VP" then it would simply end up at the whim of the Electoral College - or more likely, the Senate. Every elector in the EC gets a vote for President and VP. Since everyone runs on a ticket this makes it easy for them to cast their votes. But if someone ran with no VP and won, they would cast their President vote for the winner but the VP vote would be a free-for-all. If they somehow managed to cast a majority of their votes for someone, they'd be VP but more likely you wouldn't get 270 votes for someone (unless some voted for the opposition VP to push them over the line lol?) and it would then fall to the Senate to pick from the two highest vote getters. Which would presumably be whoever got the most of the at-large votes and then the other party's VP. The actual result likely coming down to the party controlling the Senate.

So, we're a day away from a shutdown and instead of trying to, you know, address that - the House GOP is trying to impeach Biden. And unwilling to raise their hand that justice applies equally to both parties.

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1707461196247425294

Thorn posted...

So, we're a day away from a shutdown and instead of trying to, you know, address that - the House GOP is trying to impeach Biden. And unwilling to raise their hand that justice applies equally to both parties.

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1707461196247425294

Lmao at Marjorie chiming in there