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Kenri
10/05/23 1:22:46 PM
#201:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/2/AACm-yAAE5u8.jpg

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LightningStrikes
10/05/23 1:38:35 PM
#202:


It got worse:

https://twitter.com/danhollandnews/status/1709908649177461048?t=r3siTI5HGsrEgJ0uJn9CaQ&s=19

They are already dropping some of the new projects. Its starting to seem like the theory that they just found a list of already planned developments and just badged it as new is right! Also they might not even legally be able to use the name Network North due to a trademark dispute lmao.

Gaggle of absolute clowns.

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red_sox_777
10/05/23 2:39:12 PM
#203:


I really think they should have stuck with Boris Johnson. He at least had a plan for winning elections.

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LightningStrikes
10/05/23 3:19:37 PM
#204:


red_sox_777 posted...
I really think they should have stuck with Boris Johnson. He at least had a plan for winning elections.

Johnson was headed for a landslide defeat and had just been trounced in both local elections and two pivotal must-win by-elections in different parts of the country. Thats a large part of why the Tories got rid of him, he was massively hated and electorally toxic. Unfortunately for them and fortunately for everybody else, they had ran out of extra lives and couldnt just keep replacing leaders. Truss and then Sunak ransacking the country only made it worse for them. Really Johnson was handed the 2019 election on a plate by the situation but took his win to mean he was a genius beloved by all.

He was completely toxic and theyre almost certainly doomed regardless which is why theyre going so crazy now. Thanks for reminding me to watch the docudrama about Partygate though I need to be even more upset.

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Nanis23
10/07/23 3:39:14 AM
#205:


I am so absolutely angry right now that posting anything would get me insta banned
But what's going in Israel right now it's....
It's a massacare in broad light
The pictures I have seen in Telegram...this is horrifying

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Paratroopa1
10/07/23 3:43:23 AM
#206:


Hope you're safe and sound, Nanis.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/07/23 4:16:21 AM
#207:


lol

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LightningStrikes
10/07/23 4:28:42 AM
#208:


Stay safe Nanis.

Im going to post a really wild opinion here and say that the indiscriminate murder of civilians is always wrong regardless of whos doing it or the backstory. If anybody has a problem with that idea they should take a long look in the mirror.

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Nanis23
10/07/23 4:42:15 AM
#209:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Hope you're safe and sound, Nanis.
Thank you

LightningStrikes posted...
Im going to post a really wild opinion here and say that the indiscriminate murder of civilians is always wrong regardless of whos doing it or the backstory
I really hope this isn't really considered wild opinion, I believe all of us agree with this

There is a picture going around of 3-4 eldery people shot in the head in a bus station, there is no way to justify this :\

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red13n
10/07/23 5:17:38 AM
#210:


LightningStrikes posted...
Oh yeah I wasnt going to bring that up but Im absolutely furious about this and I dont even live there any more. The mood at this news to me seems to be sheer anger but its actually even worse than presented here. The work had already begun, the land had been purchased so they are immediately ceasing work and selling the land off again at a marked down rate. In other words they are throwing a massive amount of money away to set a trap for Labour so they have to spend even more if they ever want to resume it. Salting the earth out of spite because they know they are going to lose. Also, the whole point of HS2 was to link the Midlands and the North and their redistribution of funds will in part go to wealthy areas of the South which already have much better transport. Its absolutely disgraceful. The Tory party destroys the North yet again.
Yeah California did some of the first part of that without all the political attachment.

There was so much room for rapid economic growth connecting northern california, southern california, and vegas all on one high speed rail line. Yet all our high speed rail attempts get lobbied out by the Elon Musks of the world

They were conceptualized back in the 90s and voter-approved(With money appropriated) back in 2008.We still have basically nothing to show for it.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/07/23 1:46:04 PM
#211:


red13n posted...
They were conceptualized back in the 90s and voter-approved(With money appropriated) back in 2008.We still have basically nothing to show for it.

I still see construction pretty regularly, but it seems like they just want to finish the middle section and get it operational an then expand from there. Definitely taking a lot longer and costing a lot more than it should have. But it's also faced obstacles at every turn with the opposition forcing it to be less efficient by jumping through billions of hoops and then using the lack of efficiency as it's argument against despite having been responsible for a good amount it.

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AbsoluteUnit
10/07/23 2:53:21 PM
#212:


Got suspended for a context-less acronym. Dang.

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red_sox_777
10/07/23 3:50:00 PM
#213:


The California high speed rail suffers from the problem of not being nearly ambitious enough. When you start by telling people it's going to take 15 years, it's hard for people to get excited about it.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/07/23 4:16:21 PM
#214:


red_sox_777 posted...
The California high speed rail suffers from the problem of not being nearly ambitious enough. When you start by telling people it's going to take 15 years, it's hard for people to get excited about it.

Hard to be ambitious when you have opposition stating that the entire project needs to be scrapped at every turn. Like we've committed so much already we just need to all come together and agree that it needs to happen and make it the best version of itself possible. Instead it's a damn crawling uphill battle just to get a weak version to continue to move forward. It reminds me of how ACA got gutted just to be able to exist and then the same people who made it worse went on to argue it was bad for it's weaknesses that THEY created.

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Nanis23
10/09/23 3:36:25 PM
#215:


AbsoluteUnit posted...
Got suspended for a context-less acronym. Dang.
I wasn't the one who reported it by the way, because there was always the benefit of a doubt that you wouldn't "lmao" the deaths of 900 people in a single day (most of them being civilians) and the start of a all-out war
But I am not sure what the context was

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AbsoluteUnit
10/09/23 4:37:39 PM
#216:


Youd have to make some pretty big assumptions to think lol was about actual deaths, objectively a completely invalid moderation.


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LightningStrikes
10/09/23 4:44:05 PM
#217:


What was it about?

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AbsoluteUnit
10/09/23 5:25:21 PM
#218:


Im not trying to get this account suspended by a presumptive mod after you mark it again, so here, reflect on this quote from Nanis and see if you can find some disgustingly sad irony.

But what's going inright now it's....
It's a massacare in broad light

I wasnt trying to argue with Nanis about it, theres zero that could ever come from that, especially when the argument of civilian death is bad is obviously correct.

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kevwaffles
10/09/23 6:02:27 PM
#219:


  1. There has always been a precedent of "treading lightly" during ongoing events. That shit was farm fresh and you left it up to others to determine your meaning.
  2. Viewing the irony of deaths does not mean you're not talking about said deaths. That's a level of nuanced discussion that you shouldn't leave up to a simple "lmao" at the best of times.
  3. I just unblocked Nanis to make sure I had full context here so you should legitimately feel bad for that.

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AbsoluteUnit
10/09/23 6:21:36 PM
#220:


Im splitting hairs here, but I didnt say lmao, I said lol.

Also like I said, I didnt/dont plan on discussing it with him, 90% of the board has him blocked, and most remember the insane shit hes said in the past and would understand the ironyI mean Palestinians are dying by the 100s as well, legitimately the only people who could be happy about this are the ones excited to see Gaza wiped out, you really think that was my position?!

Nanis himself understood that doesnt make any sense and didnt jump to a conclusion, which Im impressed by tbh

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Nanis23
10/09/23 6:40:56 PM
#221:


I am not planning on arguing about this either, it's hopeless and I really don't feel like arguing on the Internet about this with anyone
I don't feel like doing anything, really. It's been extremely depressing the last 3 days

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MoogleKupo141
10/09/23 7:18:25 PM
#222:


Are you safe, Nanis? How far are you from where stuff is happening?

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Nanis23
10/09/23 7:32:05 PM
#223:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Are you safe, Nanis? How far are you from where stuff is happening?
Yes, thank you. Thanksfully living "in the middle" which is the middle point north of Gaza and South of Lebanon so it's ""safe""

But if Hezbollah will join the war then sadly nowhere will be safe anymore.
In 2006 Lebanon War they had rockets that got as far as Tel Aviv and that was 17 years ago. I dread the arsenal that they have now

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masterplum
10/10/23 7:36:53 AM
#224:


Saying anything remotely offensive to someone who is currently under attack is ridiculously gross

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AbsoluteUnit
10/10/23 12:02:45 PM
#225:


Ok.

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AbsoluteUnit
10/10/23 2:50:22 PM
#226:


60 days of purgatory, Ive never even heard of that, goddamn.

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10/10/23 3:00:35 PM
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Forceful_Dragon
10/10/23 4:09:11 PM
#227:


I should preface by saying that I wouldn't want to diminish or make light of any of the events taking place in the middle east right now.

With that said, when I see social media post after social media post stating "Pray for Israel" there is a part of me that wants to reply "Pray for ALL countries".

I think there are some people who might finally realize how misguided it is to say "All lives matter" as a response to "Black Lives Matter"

And at least partially this urge comes from realizing that many of the people I know making those posts are the very same people who were dismissive of BLM.

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PeaceFrog
10/10/23 4:16:22 PM
#228:


I'll go out on a limb here.

What Hamas did in Israel was horrible.
What Netanyahu and his partners have done and are continuing to do is also atrocious.

Civilian deaths and punishing all civilians for the actions of a fundamentalist military are something we can condemn, regardless of who the perpetrators are.

Marco Rubio calling for a genocide against Palestinians because of Hamas' actions is not acceptable.

"Protect Israel at all costs" has been mutilated into "Israel has the right to commit any atrocities that it wishes upon Palestinians because they have no value to western interests" and I'm not particularly cool with that.

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masterplum
10/10/23 5:05:37 PM
#229:


PeaceFrog posted...
I'll go out on a limb here.

What Hamas did in Israel was horrible.
What Netanyahu and his partners have done and are continuing to do is also atrocious.

Civilian deaths and punishing all civilians for the actions of a fundamentalist military are something we can condemn, regardless of who the perpetrators are.

Marco Rubio calling for a genocide against Palestinians because of Hamas' actions is not acceptable.

"Protect Israel at all costs" has been mutilated into "Israel has the right to commit any atrocities that it wishes upon Palestinians because they have no value to western interests" and I'm not particularly cool with that.

I mean

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU


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Leafeon13N
10/10/23 5:11:31 PM
#230:


Okay i see we are advocating murdering civilians in retaliation i dont know what response to make.
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Dancedreamer
10/10/23 5:16:36 PM
#231:


Since when did two wrongs make a right?

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AbsoluteUnit
10/10/23 5:22:58 PM
#233:


Also I mean, weve played this game before:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, remove the incubators and leave the babies to die.
Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British-based global NGO, which published a report about the supposed killings[3]and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4] Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".[5]

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masterplum
10/10/23 5:23:47 PM
#234:


Except bbc has confirmed this story already and has found decapitated babies?

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Leafeon13N
10/10/23 5:23:54 PM
#235:


Most of us live in a country where you are allowed to be a literal nazi and not get killed on sight.

Are you also going to start advocating we kill everyone here with absolute abhorrent views but that commit no crimes themselves?
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PeaceFrog
10/10/23 5:24:05 PM
#236:


masterplum posted...
I mean

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU
The Israeli military has already said that this is fake news, and they could not find any beheaded babies. Get better propaganda.

Bbc hasn't corroborated shit.

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AbsoluteUnit
10/10/23 5:24:29 PM
#237:


https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1711818444717654491?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

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colliding
10/10/23 5:25:38 PM
#238:


all right might be time to finally block plum

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PeaceFrog
10/10/23 5:28:06 PM
#239:


But EVEN IF we grant that hamas brutally murdered babies, it does not excuse the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, when Gazans are literally not allowed to leave even if they want to.

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masterplum
10/10/23 5:29:25 PM
#240:


PeaceFrog posted...
But EVEN IF we grant that hamas brutally murdered babies, it does not excuse the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, when Gazans are literally not allowed to leave even if they want to.

Where exactly are you going to let them leave to? Countries have to let them in.

Unless we are going back to the initial formation of Israel but that is completely different

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Leafeon13N
10/10/23 5:33:31 PM
#241:


"No one will let them in just indiscriminately murder them".

Like, there is a war, civilian casualties are going to happen, but to go "fuck just kill the civilians intentionally too" is inhumane on the worst level.
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PeaceFrog
10/10/23 5:37:53 PM
#242:


I don't have any answers other than "I would prefer to not lend my support to the eradication of millions of individuals trapped against their will".

If that's too naive for the current geopolitical solution then so be it.

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Grimlyn
10/10/23 5:40:57 PM
#243:


when someone responds to "advocating murdering civilians" with "they're bad though"

uh yeah that's an instant block holy fucking shit

*edit* oh, suspended for that exact post

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AbsoluteUnit
10/10/23 5:42:58 PM
#244:


I fully admit I just said it without thinking how itd read, but comments like Rubios we need to eradicate them like the human animals they are is exactly why when I saw massacre in broad daylight and my first instinct was like what a joke.


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PeaceFrog
10/10/23 5:43:55 PM
#245:


Grimlyn posted...
*edit* oh, suspended
Oh no

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Paratroopa1
10/10/23 6:07:11 PM
#246:


People always get worse after I ignore them
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LightningStrikes
10/10/23 6:33:57 PM
#247:


It is a sign of just how polarised things have become (and not just this issue) that a lot of people struggle with holding the idea that the massacre of civilians by a far-right theocratic terrorist organisation is wrong and so is the massacre of civilians by a far-right theocratic apartheid government with a history of brital oppression. In all seriousness a humanitarian corridor out of Gaza needs to be established immediately, Im actually surprised there havent been more calls for this.

Edit: Also, I am probably going to regret this but what did plum say that got him suspended? Am I even allowed to ask?

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kevwaffles
10/10/23 6:46:30 PM
#248:


Paratroopa1 posted...
People always get worse after I ignore them
If you find a way to weaponize this power you could destroy the world.

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Grimlyn
10/10/23 6:51:25 PM
#249:


LightningStrikes posted...
Edit: Also, I am probably going to regret this but what did plum say that got him suspended? Am I even allowed to ask?
basically my post has the gist of it, unfortunately the act of posting my reply is what refreshed the page so i couldn't see it anymore

he rebutted red13n's post #130 with (paraphrased memory) "but the citizens support Hamas. maybe let people under the age of 18 go, but the rest?"

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LightningStrikes
10/10/23 7:31:43 PM
#250:


Thanks, yeah thats pretty damn bad, not that I expected otherwise just felt morbidly compelled to see for myself. Its the kind of thing where there are so many different problems with it from so many different angles its not even worth replying to because its so deranged a stance I am not even sure it can be reasoned with.

So instead if plum sees this Ill just say that with a population of 2.2 million in a tiny 15 mile stretch of land, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth, and a majority of the population are children. I think that sums it up.

Speaking of which, it looks like Israel are preparing for a ground invasion of Gaza. Hard to see this not being a huge disaster.

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