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09/18/23 6:01:59 PM
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Calwings
09/18/23 8:33:43 PM
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a certain side quest in the DLC because the game is such a buggy, untested mess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonScarletViolet/comments/16hyzjn/bug_kitakami_ogre_clan_completion_doesnt_proc/
https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1703757415617835450

The game's data somehow only has enough memory to track up to 300 non-story trainers defeated, but (as of the release of the new Teal Mask DLC) there are now more than 300 such trainers in the game. So if you've already defeated 300 of these trainers and beat another one, the game simply won't register that you defeated them because there's no room in the data for it to do that. They'll just stay there as if you never defeated them, waiting to be battled again. This means that the Ogre Clan side quest in the Teal Mask DLC can be rendered impossible to complete (unless you're willing to start an entirely new save file) if you defeated enough trainers beforehand, because you can't fight the clan master until you beat all of the disciples out in the field, but the disciples won't register as defeated due to this bug if you're at the cap of 300 defeated trainers already.

This game is a joke, this DLC is a joke, and Gamefreak is a joke.

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LinkDaLunatic
09/18/23 8:37:19 PM
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Calwings posted...
This game is a joke, this DLC is a joke, and Gamefreak is a joke.
yes.

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Irony
09/18/23 8:37:56 PM
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Not as big of a joke as the people that buy it

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Solar_Crimson
09/18/23 8:38:37 PM
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Jesus, I'm glad I haven't bought this DLC. In any other circumstance, this would have been a Day One for me, but S/V is such a dumpster fire that for the first time in this series, I intentionally took a "wait and see" approach.

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Turbam
09/18/23 8:39:03 PM
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Irony posted...
Not as big of a joke as the people that buy it


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Dreepapult
09/18/23 8:42:16 PM
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I let my hype get to me and bought the game day 1

But when Zelda came out I sold my copy

No way I was giving them 35 bucks for dlc on a broken game

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Calwings
09/18/23 8:48:54 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Jesus, I'm glad I haven't bought this DLC. In any other circumstance, this would have been a Day One for me, but S/V is such a dumpster fire that for the first time in this series, I intentionally took a "wait and see" approach.

Same here. I've regretted buying S/V (I should have learned my lesson after Sw/Sh and BD/SP but open world gameplay led to misguided hype) and I'm completely done buying Pokemon games until I see what they're actually like. This DLC not only didn't fix any of the substantial problems of the base game, it made some of them worse and introduced new problems on top of them. It's not worth the money, and it's not worth the headache.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/18/23 8:52:33 PM
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Even if I was still playing Scarlet this bug wouldn't affect me since rando trainers were such nothingburger garbage I actively avoided them after the first few hours of gameplay. Even the blackbox trainers sucked. Game was fun to run around in but I lost all motivation to touch it after I completed the Paldeadex. >_>

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 8:52:34 PM
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Calwings posted...
Same here. I've regretted buying S/V (I should have learned my lesson after Sw/Sh and BD/SP but open world gameplay led to misguided hype) and I'm completely done buying Pokemon games until I see what they're actually like. This DLC not only didn't fix any of the substantial problems of the base game, it made some of them worse and introduced new problems on top of them. It's not worth the money, and it's not worth the headache.

You're a headache for bringing this drama here on CE. Go to the Pokemon boards if you wanna bitch with rest of them.

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creativeme
09/18/23 8:53:00 PM
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i just borrowed the game and beat it and have 0 interest in ever touching it again. game is so lifeless. still annoyed TMs aren't reusable and they want you to farm to get items to make the ones you want. it's rather sad how far pokemon has fallen over the last decade or so.

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KFHEWUI
09/18/23 8:53:20 PM
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Game Freak should let Monolith Soft help them out

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Delirious_Beard
09/18/23 8:54:03 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
You're a headache for bringing this drama here on CE. Go to the Pokemon boards if you wanna bitch with rest of them.

uh oh the person mad at people with any standards whatsoever arrived

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hereforemnant
09/18/23 8:55:09 PM
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Irony posted...
Not as big of a joke as the people that buy it


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bsp77
09/18/23 8:55:48 PM
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Irony posted...
Not as big of a joke as the people that buy it
I call my fiance a joke on a daily basis because of this

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Solar_Crimson
09/18/23 8:56:10 PM
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Calwings posted...
Same here. I've regretted buying S/V (I should have learned my lesson after Sw/Sh and BD/SP but open world gameplay led to misguided hype) and I'm completely done buying Pokemon games until I see what they're actually like. This DLC not only didn't fix any of the substantial problems of the base game, it made some of them worse and introduced new problems on top of them. It's not worth the money, and it's not worth the headache.
Yeah, and it's really sad, because while S/V is a mess in many ways, I still had fun discovering all of the new Pokemon for myself (and I really appreciate that they stopped showing most of them prerelease like they did with X/Y and Sun/Moon), and the prospect of discovering new Pokemon will always be the appeal for me in a new game. But at the same time, if S/V is a sign of how future games will be made on a technical sense, then I don't know if I want to keep supporting the games if that's the path they're going in.

It also doesn't help that I didn't even bother doing my usual breeding/optimizing for Pokemon, mainly due to the lack of the Battle Tower or similar but also because of the game's issues. At this point in my life, should I continue on, I feel like I might just stick to just playing the games casually and not worry about optimal builds for competitive battles anymore.

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Dreepapult
09/18/23 8:56:19 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
You're a headache for bringing this drama here on CE. Go to the Pokemon boards if you wanna bitch with rest of them.
The whole board is full of dumb topics

Criticism of scarvio is extremely valid

Just because you're on the defense force doesn't mean you have to post

Just move on

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lucariopikmin
09/18/23 8:58:38 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
uh oh the person mad at people with any standards whatsoever arrived
There's no reason to take anything he says serious, he's completely fine with calling people scum and saying they're the reason gamefaqs is dying because they're criticize a shit tier dev.

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Solar_Crimson
09/18/23 8:58:54 PM
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creativeme posted...
i just borrowed the game and beat it and have 0 interest in ever touching it again. game is so lifeless. still annoyed TMs aren't reusable and they want you to farm to get items to make the ones you want. it's rather sad how far pokemon has fallen over the last decade or so.
Yeah, I liked Sword/Shield's approach of having reusable TMs, and disposable TRs that were pretty easy to get. Though I would have preferred reusable TMs in their entirely; Gens 5-7 got this right.

S/V requires too much grinding for TM parts, and some of the parts come from very rare Pokemon. And as if that's not enough, you also need League Points on top of it to make the TMs.

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 8:58:58 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
uh oh the person mad at people with any standards whatsoever arrived

Given how you lot compare us fans to shit-eaters and defenders who would tolerate our Switches being on fire, you lot have absolutely no basis on "quality".

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 8:59:48 PM
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lucariopikmin posted...
There's no reason to take anything he says serious, he's completely fine with calling people scum and saying they're the reason gamefaqs is dying because they're criticize a shit tier dev.

She. Don't make me get a mod for misgendering me.

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Baha05
09/18/23 9:03:41 PM
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Wasn t even aware there were 300+ trainers in the game but typically complaining for without criticism isnt good criticisms.

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Calwings
09/18/23 9:06:17 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Game was fun to run around in but I lost all motivation to touch it after I completed the Paldeadex. >_>

All I do in the game these days is occasionally hunt/breed for shinies.

Solar_Crimson posted...
Yeah, and it's really sad, because while S/V is a mess in many ways, I still had fun discovering all of the new Pokemon for myself (and I really appreciate that they stopped showing most of them prerelease like they did with X/Y and Sun/Moon), and the prospect of discovering new Pokemon will always be the appeal for me in a new game. But at the same time, if S/V is a sign of how future games will be made on a technical sense, then I don't know if I want to keep supporting the games if that's the path they're going in.

I know that feeling. The experience of a new generation is still fun like it was in past Pokemon generations, but the objective quality of the games on a technical level has been going downhill for a while, and I don't want to support that downslope in quality by giving them any more of my money.

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lucariopikmin
09/18/23 9:07:12 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
She. Don't make me get a mod for misgendering me.
Lol at thinking that a worthless threat like that is gonna get you anywhere, it's more likely that you'll get yourself modded and then complain about that like you've done before. Btw, nothing about your name hints that you're a she and sigs are turned off.


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M-Watcher
09/18/23 9:10:34 PM
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I really don't like that people are critical of others for daring to enjoy a product in spite of its issues.

Now I'm immediately gunning for the Ogre Clan now that I know of this bug and hope I didn't reach the 300 limit. If I do, then oh well, I'll just have to hope for a patch. This would be the type of thing that Game Freak would actually address because it's extremely glaring, and probably more fixable than the performance issues which seem to be tied to a much deeper flaw in the way in they designed the game that's probably much harder to fix.

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 9:10:35 PM
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lucariopikmin posted...
Lol at thinking that a worthless threat like that is gonna get you anywhere, it's more likely that you'll get yourself modded and then complain about that like you've done before. Btw, nothing about your name hints that you're a she and sigs are turned off.

I can see your signature just fine.

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ProfessorKukui
09/18/23 9:13:39 PM
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damn, at this point I dunno if I can even be assed to buy it used from GStop

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lucariopikmin
09/18/23 9:17:19 PM
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M-Watcher posted...
probably more fixable than the performance issues
It should be cause it's just a number that needs to be increased but it's still the company that takes a year to fix the no different forms in outbreaks bug.

DementedDurian posted...
I can see your signature just fine.
You having them turned on isn't magically gonna change my settings.


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Dreepapult
09/18/23 9:18:29 PM
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ProfessorKukui posted...
damn, at this point I dunno if I can even be assed to buy it used from GStop
I wouldn't recommend it. It was an extremely disappointing experience

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 9:20:50 PM
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lucariopikmin posted...
You having them turned on isn't magically gonna change my settings.

Yet you are familiar with me since you mentioned I called people scum.

That means you should know what I like to call myself - a succubus.

Were you not paying attention or just avoiding the facts?

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Calwings
09/18/23 9:37:34 PM
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M-Watcher posted...
I really don't like that people are critical of others for daring to enjoy a product in spite of its issues.

I agree with you. There's a reason why my "this is a joke" comments were directed at Gamefreak and the game itself and not at the players. Just because I'm critical of the game doesn't mean I'm critical of others for having fun with it. They're free to do so if they want to. Hell, I've had a decent amount of fun with it myself despite its numerous issues and despite my regrets in buying it.

ProfessorKukui posted...
damn, at this point I dunno if I can even be assed to buy it used from GStop

I wouldn't recommend it at this point unless you can find it at a big discount, at least half off. The game is a dumpster fire of bugs, frame rate drops, and other performance issues. Deep under all of those technical issues is actually a decently fun game, but it's up to you if it's worth the headache.

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ProfessorKukui
09/18/23 9:42:45 PM
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Dreepapult posted...
I wouldn't recommend it. It was an extremely disappointing experience

Calwings posted...
big discount
Oh ye, for sure. A sizeable discount is what I am aiming for if I ever do bother.
Kinda sad that after 25+ years, it has gotten worse instead of better.

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AceMos
09/18/23 9:45:19 PM
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KFHEWUI posted...
Game Freak should let Monolith Soft help them out
monolith soft has a team thats specific goal is helping nintendo with larger projects (the kyoto team)

so yes if gamefreak was not stupid and just asked they could get the help of experts at crafting large worlds

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Baha05
09/18/23 9:47:34 PM
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AceMos posted...
monolith soft has a team thats specific goal is helping nintendo with larger projects (the kyoto team)

so yes if gamefreak was not stupid and just asked they could get the help of experts at crafting large worlds
You realize that because of how often Monolith helps put on other projects and their own game they might not have the man power to help right?

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Calwings
09/18/23 9:53:32 PM
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ProfessorKukui posted...
Kinda sad that after 25+ years, it has gotten worse instead of better.

Gen 1-2 were good, still some problems but it's understandable because it was still a new franchise.

Gen 3-5 were great, where the franchise peaked. Platinum, HG/SS, and B2/W2 are the pinnacle of the Pokemon franchise.

Gen 6 was good, but X/Y had tons of missed potential due to Gamefreak trying to handle too many other non-Pokemon projects at once and Z being cancelled as a result. OR/AS are also (IMO) really underrated and the last truly great mainline Pokemon games.

Gen 7 was where things started going downhill, and it's only gotten worse with every game since. The Pokemon franchise will never ever be good again unless they either slow down the release schedule or Gamefreak hires a lot more people to work on the games. But I don't see either of those happening.

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AceMos
09/18/23 9:55:35 PM
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Calwings posted...
Gen 6 was good, but X/Y had tons of missed potential due to Gamefreak trying to handle too many other non-Pokemon projects at once and Z being cancelled as a result. OR/AS are also (IMO) really underrated and the last truly great mainline Pokemon games.
yea i gave them a pass for gen 6 as it was there first 3D game they itnroduced a new mechanic ect

but well you give a greedy company an inch they will take the entire planet

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 9:56:51 PM
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Calwings posted...
Gen 1-2 were good, still some problems but it's understandable because it was still a new franchise.

Gen 3-5 were great, where the franchise peaked. Platinum, HG/SS, and B2/W2 are the pinnacle of the Pokemon franchise.

Gen 6 was good, but X/Y had tons of missed potential due to Gamefreak trying to handle too many other non-Pokemon projects at once and Z being cancelled as a result. OR/AS are also (IMO) really underrated and the last truly great mainline Pokemon games.

Gen 7 was where things started going downhill, and it's only gotten worse with every game since. The Pokemon franchise will never ever be good again unless they either slow down the release schedule or Gamefreak hires a lot more people to work on the games. But I don't see either of those happening.

So, you're just parroting what you heard online?

I really wish I knew more about you - not what BS is spoon-fed to you.

I'll start with an icebreaker - what's your favorite cereal? Mine's Trix.

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lucariopikmin
09/18/23 9:57:53 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
Yet you are familiar with me since you mentioned I called people scum.

That means you should know what I like to call myself - a succubus.

Were you not paying attention or just avoiding the facts?

Me seeing a post isn't the same as me seeing all your posts but yes, I've seen you get modded on the boards while complaining about how others don't get modded for following the tos, that's it. You even complain about others not getting modded on ask the mods while acting like your rights as a user got violated.


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Solar_Crimson
09/18/23 10:04:25 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
So, you're just parroting what you heard online?
What if he came to that conclusion himself?

And for the record, I agree with what he said. The series peaked with Gen 5, then the cracks started to form in Gen 6 and 7, and once they moved to home consoles, all hell broke loose.

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DoctorPiranha3
09/18/23 10:09:50 PM
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Game Freak was never a good developer. They had a great formula in Pokemon, it's just too bad that IP is partly owned by them. Modern day Pokemon is just a glorified tech demo.
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M-Watcher
09/18/23 10:12:45 PM
#43:


AceMos posted...
monolith soft has a team thats specific goal is helping nintendo with larger projects (the kyoto team)

so yes if gamefreak was not stupid and just asked they could get the help of experts at crafting large worlds
They are mainly for art and assets, not exactly for technical support.

Baha05 posted...
You realize that because of how often Monolith helps put on other projects and their own game they might not have the man power to help right?

It's not actually much of an issue as it was during the BotW and XC2 days. They have specifically hired a lot more people for all their teams so they don't run into the lack of manpower issue again. Now, sure, if you want the Xenoblade team to help, then that's likely not really much of an option because they have their own games to develop, but the support side is available and assists on like half of the Nintendo EPD projects. Though, like I mentioned above, they are mainly an art and asset studio, not entirely sure how much technical support they provide.

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 10:15:37 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
What if he came to that conclusion himself?

And for the record, I agree with what he said. The series peaked with Gen 5, then the cracks started to form in Gen 6 and 7, and once they moved to home consoles, all hell broke loose.

That's not a cereal I'm familiar with. Is it not available in the US or something'?

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Solar_Crimson
09/18/23 10:18:25 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
That's not a cereal I'm familiar with. Is it not available in the US or something'?
So you're not even going to engage the topic at hand because you don't like that people are criticizing a series you're obsessed with?

What are you, a female Duncan?

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Hambo
09/18/23 10:20:00 PM
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It's funny how all the people with pokemon usernames in here are critical of the games. SV really are rough. I'm holding out to see if there'll actually be anything interesting in the second part of the dlc before buying. Nothing they've shown from part 1 really captured my attention. I really wanted answers to some of the remaining mysteries of Area Zero, but if they don't show anything cool, I might skip it.

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 10:20:35 PM
#47:


Solar_Crimson posted...
So you're not even going to engage the topic at hand because you don't like that people are criticizing a series you're obsessed with?

What are you, a female Duncan?

No, I'm not a Duncanist (whatever that means...).

I'm a 31-year-old succubus who wants to talk about cereal.

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Calwings
09/18/23 10:24:57 PM
#48:


DementedDurian posted...
So, you're just parroting what you heard online?

I really wish I knew more about you - not what BS is spoon-fed to you.

I've played every single mainline Pokemon game, and these are my genuine opinions born from my over 20 years of being a Pokemon fan. I wasn't spoon-fed anything.

DementedDurian posted...
I'll start with an icebreaker - what's your favorite cereal? Mine's Trix.

DementedDurian posted...
I'm a 31-year-old succubus who wants to talk about cereal.

Then go make another topic to talk about cereal.

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DementedDurian
09/18/23 10:27:24 PM
#49:


Calwings posted...
Then go make another topic to talk about cereal.

There's a Pokemon cereal. I got that for my 30th b-day and that helped me get over being in my third decade.

You also haven't answered the question - what's your favorite cereal?

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Calwings
09/18/23 10:32:14 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
You also haven't answered the question - what's your favorite cereal?

I don't have one. I don't eat cereal. My preferred breakfast is a microwaved pop tart.

Now that I've answered your question, can you stop trying to derail this topic with meaningless off-topic chatter?

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