Current Events > IDF declares 'state of readiness for war' amid Hamas infiltrations, rockets.

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In that exact same post I call Hamas genocidal aggressors too.

So do you think if Israel backed off and made a peace treaty there would be peace and Hamas would be cool with that?

So do you think if Israel backed off and made a peace treaty there would be peace and Hamas would be cool with that?

Yes. I know. It is absurd to call Israel and Hamas "both genocidal aggressors" in the same breath. One of them is literally trying to kill as many Jews as they can. The other is far from innocent but the scale is not remotely the same.

Israel wouldn't back off and make a peace treaty though.

No, justifying Hamas is like saying well yeah 9/11 was bad but they are just defending themselves after all.

Except its more like if Al Qaeda was trying to commit 9/11 every day and you just shrug your shoulders like well they are just defending themselves, what can you do?

If giving back land they are illegally occupying is a key part of a peace treaty, yes.

The two sides are not equal. Israel literally sends notices to evacuate before they bomb trying to kill terrorists.

So your argument is that Hamas is killing 3000 Israelis a day and were supposed to take this as an informed opinion? Even today the Palestinians have sustained way more losses than Israel.

Yes. Like when they give journalists 60 minute to clear an entire high-rise that had no terrorists in it, just journalists that had been there for 15 years, and some family houses nearby to boot.

"Notice."

Yes. Like when they give journalists 60 minute to clear an entire high-rise that had no terrorists in it, just journalists that had been there for 15 years, and some family houses nearby to boot.

"Notice."

In the real world, Gaza and Israel are both good and bad people who do both good and bad things. But in this specific instance Netanyahus increased push to create settlements on the charred remnants of their homes is wrong. Gaza has no option but to respond or they die homeless.

Hamas and Israel are both aggressors. None of the shit either of them do is justifiable retaliation

Oh come on. It's really hard to come up with a definition of "genocide" so loose that it fits Israel's actions (though deplorable). And it's not like they don't know what it is, or that they're bad at killing.

DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE IN THE CONVENTION:
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
Convention:
Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Yes. I know. It is absurd to call Israel and Hamas "both genocidal aggressors" in the same breath. One of them is literally trying to kill as many Jews as they can. The other is far from innocent but the scale is not remotely the same.

murdered 15x more children

Why do you think that is? Or rather, what do you believe the circumstances of those deaths to be?

I mean to me they're both aggressors who kill innocent civilians which is deplorable. As I pointed out, Israeli forces have murdered 15x more children. That's not a sign of a force merely defending themselves.

They're targeting children. Can't have a future with no kids.

I get called a centrist and probably am. I don't agree with the left on every issue, though generally agree with the left more than the right.

The take that Israel is just as bad as Hamas is definitely the left's worst take.

If someone throws a rock at an oppressor, a proper response isn't to then murder 15 children playing soccer.

Yeah, that's a terrible take. Because Israel is worse than Hamas.

That's not reality. The reality is that Hamas uses children as human shields. That's fucked.

I hate this analogy. A deathly missile is not a rock. And Israel is not murdering 15 children playing soccer.

I hate this analogy. A deathly missile is not a rock. And Israel is not murdering 15 children playing soccer.

The human shield rhetoric is propaganda used by Israeli forces to justify whenever they make civilian casualties. It's a shame you're spreading this.

See page 75
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/015/2009/en/

thousands of rockets per day like Hamas does.

So you're saying that Hamas does not have a record of shooting missles out of the backyard of civilians, out of hospitals, out of schools?

So you're saying that Hamas does not have a record of shooting missles out of the backyard of civilians, out of hospitals, out of schools?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

2023 has seen 13 rocket attacks through the end of July. It totals something like 1,600 rockets launched, and 1,500 of them came over a single three-day period.

2022 saw 8 rocket attacks for the whole year. 1,115 rockets were recorded launched , and 1,100 of them were in a single three-day period.

Rocket attacks are entirely too common (more than 0 is entirely too common), but "thousands every day" is a wild exaggeration.

This doesn't excuse you claiming they use children as shields and that a why Israeli forces disproportionately murder children 15x more.

It's a coincidence that Biden just gave Iran $6B right? And they fund Hamas? Right?

So do you think if Israel backed off and made a peace treaty there would be peace and Hamas would be cool with that?

They deliberately operate out of civilian centers so that if Israel counter attacks they can spin it negatively. If that's not using children and civilians as human shields, idk what is.

In the cases investigated by Amnesty International of civilians killed in Israeli attacks, the deaths could not be explained as resulting from the presence of fighters shielding among civilians, as the Israel army generally contends. In all of the cases investigated by Amnesty International of families killed when their homes were bombed from the air by Israeli forces, for example, none of the houses struck was being used by armed groups for military activities. Similarly, in the cases of precision missiles or tank shells which killed civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack.

That's during one specific operation.

That's during one specific operation. I'm not saying Israel never has, and I'm not saying that they operate their military in a way that is far to comfortable with war crimes.

In all of the cases investigated by Amnesty International of families killed when their homes were bombed from the air by Israeli forces

And this proves that Israeli forces lie about human shields to justify their killing of civilians. The same rhetoric you used itt.

How many notices does Hamas send before they attack Jewish civilians?

Apparently there are videos of Hamas during this slaughtering families in bunkers and parading naked dead women around the street while everybody spits on them.

It's a coincidence that Biden just gave Iran $6B right? And they fund Hamas? Right?