Current Events > IDF declares 'state of readiness for war' amid Hamas infiltrations, rockets.

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You're pointing out how insane this attack is, yet IDF was able to respond immediately by killing roughly the same through strikes.

The point is, yes tons of people have died, on both sides, and that's a fucking shame, but it doesn't make me feel for one group over another. They're both caught in the middle of a conflict orchestrated by two fascist and terrorist regimes. I'll always have sympathy for those caught in the middle of a war. Especially one as senseless as this. I feel like if Israel just fucked off and stopped treating Palestinians as they were animals, Hamas wouldn't exist or have any true power even if they did exist.

There's a reason that families affected by US drone strikes grow up to hate America and fight against us. This is no different.

There are legit criticisms you can place at Israel for some of the restrictions / actions etc aimed at Palestine. No doubt.

However I feel the latest attack was primarily motivated more by trying to sabotage the upcoming deal between Israel and Saudis Arabia than anything else.

That's what they said? So they've had talks? Was it today?

Their own public charter and their own leaders statements they have repeatedly called for eradicating all Jews.

What was their rationale?

I....what? Lol. Does it matter??

Possibly. I don't know enough about their inner workings and politics between the two. But I do know, that killing innocent people is a great way to never get support from either side and in the case of Hamas, they much like every other terrorist organization from al qaeda to boko haram use that pain to bolster their ranks. So if you ever want to actually get rid of a terrorist organization, the worst thing you can do is kill innocent civilians, no matter how blood thirsty you are. At the same time though, it wouldn't shock me in the least if that's the plan from the Israeli government, since conflict gives the country an enemy they can support hating.

What was their rationale?

Can't think of a war where civilians didn't die by the hundreds.

Why do they want them exterminated?

Motivation absolutely matters. It's a huge factor in all investigations. So what do they want? Why do they want it?

So youd let someone off the hook for genocide if they had a good reason for wanting to do it?

Its very easy to condemn the actions of Israel and their treatment of the Palestinian population without watering down the genocidal insanity of Hamas.

But why do they want them all dead over a peaceful resolution?

I'm truly unsure how this is inflammatory to you folk.

But why do they want them all dead over a peaceful resolution?

@clayguida

Do you accept there are some people within Hamas that have on record come out and said they want to see the distruction of Israel as a state?

Nobody is justifying Hamas' actions, except all those statements justifying Hamas' actions.

1. go back home until we take it away from you, or
2. face the wrath of an extremely well funded military that doesnt have a constitution to provide direction when being used by an autocrat.

Who is justifying it?

Any innocent being killed is horrible but I genuinely don't know what Israel is supposed to do in this situation.

If you're trying to pick which side is more justified in killing innocent people and committing human rights abuses, maybe it's time to take a breath.

Are you honestly just not familiar with Hamas? Its fine, I dont think you are justifying the atrocity, but it sounds like you just don't know enough about them.

They are far more extreme then the rest of the Palestinian population and are absolutely not interested in peace. Their political charter explicitly states this.

They should know what not to do. USA fell into that same trap and created 2 generations worth of terrorists. Remember?

If we can literally study Nazi's for 2 generations, we can ask why Hamas feels the way they do and what we can do to rectify it.

So what do you suggest they do in response to this?

So what do you suggest they do in response to this?

After studying the nazis for 2 generations what conclusion do you think we reached regarding whether or not we could accommodate their demands peacefully?

If we can literally study Nazi's for 2 generations, we can ask why Hamas feels the way they do and what we can do to rectify that.

All Jews being eradicated is a non starter. But giving back land to Palestinians? Giving them control of their own state/country? That could be a huge get and would absolutely ease some tensions, no?

Nazis? None. Because they believed batshit insane things, like Jews lived in caves and were secret vampires. Are you saying this is how Hamas views Israeli Jews?

https://www.adl.org/resources/news/hamas-their-own-words

Remember: Saying both extreme, violent responses are terrible is "Justifying Hamas terrorism" but defending Israel's atrocities with "What are they supposed to do when they're constantly attacked for no reason?" is "context."

Their political charter explicitly states this.

Reading the first few lines, it seems they're angry about how Israel has treated Muslims.

I mean, are we going to argue they haven't treated Muslims horribly? Perhaps some some of reparation would ease tensions, no?

So what do you suggest they do in response to this?

Otherwise, it's like trying to hold America to the terms of the Articles of Confederation, and suggesting that's our current policy and practice, even though our policy and practice, as a political entity, has moved forward.

Start by halting the settlement building in Palestinian land, and lift the oppressive travel restrictions that basically keeps Palestinians quarantined in each half of their territory. Declare an honest to God cease fire, because there sure as he'll hasn't been demonstrated to have been one in good faith before.

That's a bare minimum.

Bigger things? Talk about actual borders and sovereignty and government of the two nations. Just come to the table and start those conversations. Trade and port access talks.

You know: stop doing the things that create terrorists and recruiting material for them.

https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1710795520334090458

I think its reasonable to not trust hamas or their changes to their charter when it explicitly laid out a mission of genocide like 6 years ago.