Current Events > IDF declares 'state of readiness for war' amid Hamas infiltrations, rockets.

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COVxy posted...

The issue is that it's really hard to evaluate what is a good or bad outcome when the enemy is using such tactics.

I'd say thousands of children dying is a bad outcome.

Shadow_Don posted...

I'd say thousands of children dying is a bad outcome.

I'd say that's coming from a place of emotion, not analysis.

"is children dying good or bad? lets do some statistical analysis..."

fucking crazy pills

That's why this isn't a "conversation", it's grandstanding.

Shadow_Don posted...

why don't you instead explain how unfreezing Iranian assets and returning them in exchange for American prisoners == taxpayers funding terrorists

Because we took the money from them in the first place.

You also skipped the step where we reneged on the deal, fucked them over and then reinstitued the old deal because an orange dipshit was in charge.

Innocent children dying == not good is a hill I'll gladly die on

Hopefully you figure it out someday.

divot1338 posted...

Because we took the money from them in the first place.

You also skipped the step where we reneged on the deal, fucked them over and then reinstitued the old deal because an orange dipshit was in charge.

That was literally the point I was making

I don't think you're honestly trying to read and understand my posts. Have a nice Saturday.

COVxy posted...

That's why this isn't a "conversation", it's grandstanding.

Israel by far kills more Palestinian children. Youll have to excuse me if I dont see your point.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1710673450283540915?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

If this continues to escalate like the Hamas leader has promised, I guess we will see if Biden keeps this one.

divot1338 posted...

Israel by far kills more Palestinian children. Youll have to excuse me if I dont see your point.

Don't jump into a conversation without at least reading the posts leading up to it. And if this is your response after reading, then I don't think you're honestly trying either.

COVxy posted...

I don't think you're honestly trying to read and understand my posts. Have a nice Saturday.

Because there's nothing to really respond to.

If your response is that we cannot have a conversation about collateral damage because the "outcomes are unclear" then congrats you justified mass slaughtering children.

COVxy posted...

Don't jump into a conversation without at least reading the posts leading up to it. And if this is your response after reading, then I don't think you're honestly trying either.

To be fair, everything you've said is really gross and stupid.

TheLiarParadox posted...

To be fair, everything you've said is really gross and stupid.

Sure dog. Aren't you one of those alt accounts that does weird necrobumping? Is this your second attempt on a different alt after nobody took what the cyro alt was saying seriously?

COVxy posted...

Don't jump into a conversation without at least reading the posts leading up to it. And if this is your response after reading, then I don't think you're honestly trying either.

At least Im not advancing discredited tropes about human shields to make my point.

COVxy posted...

Sure dog. Aren't you one of those alt accounts that does weird necrobumping? Is this your second attempt on a different alt after nobody took what the cyro alt was saying seriously?

No, and this is just getting sad. Log off.

COVxy posted...

I'd say that's coming from a place of emotion, not analysis.

jfc

divot1338 posted...

At least Im not advancing discredited tropes about human shields to make my point.

Literally false. But have fun continuing to be a nice propaganda arm of a terrorist group. At least it maintains your group identity.

If you're trying to pick which side is more justified in killing innocent people and committing human rights abuses, maybe it's time to take a breath.

I can't say I'm at all surprised this topic turned into a fucking mess

hockeybub89 posted...

If you're trying to pick which side is more justified in killing innocent people and committing human rights abuses, maybe it's time to take a breath.

I think maybe you've misread my posts. Try again.

COVxy posted...

I think maybe you've misread my posts. Try again.

I was just being general tbh

The Israeli government and Hamas are both evil and need to be removed/reformed. The actions of both entities should be considered war crimes. Civilians always pay the price like every conflict in history

hockeybub89 posted...

If you're trying to pick which side is more justified in killing innocent people and committing human rights abuses, maybe it's time to take a breath.

Bruh for real people are celebrating these deaths like its the Israeli government, when they're just civilians. Both extremist sides suck

Reminder that Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth. They have nowhere to flee to.

As shitty as Hamas is, you can't compare what they do to attacks like this.

https://youtu.be/teevWpXlRZY?si=vDFGGJp1mp2DPo3x

Questionmarktarius posted...

With no workable solution that anyone will accept.

I'm in favor the "-1 state solution": evacuate the entire population of Israel to Wyoming. The topography is generally identical, and the US already has more Jews than any other nation - including Israel itself.

You mean evacuating the Palestinians, right? I mean, it's just a flip of the coin between the two.

COVxy posted...

I'm asking you to realistically evaluate the situation. Not fantasize.

My realistic evaluation is that they should avoid actions that they know will result in civillian casualties

tbf israel doesn't really consider palestinians as humans so to them they're neither civilians nor casualties.

Well the fact is well probably see what an actual Israeli response is to dealing with hostages they care about.

Because they have a shit ton of people captured now and god knows where theyve been moved. The heavy handed tactics typically used against Palestinians will not work if they have captured Israelis on site.

AnsestralRecall posted...

The whole world bends ass over for Israel wtf are you on about

If Europe and America would have welcomed Jewish populations there would never have been an issue.

Israel uprooting nearly a million Palestinians who were living there already because "ancestral lands" claims that are less grounded in reality than Zionist propagandists want to convince people of.

No, this is not a religious problem. It a native population vs western colonizers problem.

The total population of Palestine after WWII was 1,764,520.

Of that 1,061,270 were Muslim.

And the mandate included all of the territory from the Mediterranean to the Jordan river.

Of them, 300,000 became refugees, forced into either the Egyptian-controlled Gaza Strip or the Jordanian-controlled West Bank.

The only way you can get over a million Palestinians is if you count the entire Palestinian muslim population of the time.

it's amazing how these growingly right wing governments that have continuously leaned into anti Palestinian sentiment and policies just sprung up out of nowhere independent of Israeli citizens. and of course those citizens are definitely not settler colonisers either.

If it werent so disheartening Id laugh at listening to conservatives give the exact opposite take for Palestine that they have on Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/DanWilliams/status/1710698091735634063?t=CRKPfdlb1XeJYynuN1IR1w&s=19

Cutting off electricity to millions of innocent people doesn't sound like a very humanitarian thing to do.

The Palestine Muslims are the only Muslims that had Jewish traditions.
They kept Jewish sacred religious places intact.
There are old archaeological ruins showing that Jews and Muslims lived side by side there.
Their ancestors are the Jews that lived there, and they have the right to live there.

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/DanWilliams/status/1710698091735634063?t=CRKPfdlb1XeJYynuN1IR1w&s=19

Cutting off electricity to millions of innocent people doesn't sound like a very humanitarian thing to do.

Now respiratory systems will go down. Yikes

hockeybub89 posted...

If you're trying to pick which side is more justified in killing innocent people and committing human rights abuses, maybe it's time to take a breath.

Should be stickied and have to be read out loud anytime someone posts about Israel or Palestine

This is a very strange pic of a woman, who is being held hostage, holding a gun and putting her hands up in a peace sign alongside a member of Hamas in a balaclava. Wtf.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/5/AAfdDqAAE6N7.jpg

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

This is a very strange pic of a woman, who is being held hostage, holding a gun and putting her hands up in a peace sign alongside a member of Hamas in a balaclava. Wtf.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/5/AAfdDqAAE6N7.jpg

Weird.

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

This is a very strange pic of a woman, who is being held hostage, holding a gun and putting her hands up in a peace sign alongside a member of Hamas in a balaclava. Wtf.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/5/AAfdDqAAE6N7.jpg

Hes saying Hamas is number 1!

Shes saying no Hamas number 2.

While covering one of the deadliest attacks on Israel in decades, Newsmax is running a chyron promoting their podcasts and a website for Rudy Giuliani's defense fund. And as they did when Russia invaded Ukraine, they're blaming Biden for this.

Israeli officials are reporting over 200 confirmed Israeli deaths.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Israeli officials are reporting over 200 confirmed Israeli deaths.

BBC was saying around 250 dead, over a thousand injured, and an unknown number of hostages

FYI they've been doing live updates all day which is one of the quicker ways to keep up:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895

The number of people killed in Israel since the Hamas militant attack began early this morning has risen to at least 250, Israeli media report.

The health ministry has said that another 1,452 people have been taken to hospital, with 18 in a critical condition and another 267 described as severe.

Hospitals in both southern Israel and Gaza have been inundated with casualties. Palestinian health officials say 232 people have died in Gaza and another 1,790 are wounded.

Also apparently they're saying they had Iran backing as well, so shit's going to get worse:

A Hamas spokesperson earlier told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel, saying it was a source of pride.

Ghazi Hamad told the World Service's Newshour programme that other countries had also helped Hamas, but he did not name them.

Earlier, a senior adviser to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, confirmed the Islamic Republic supported the attacks, but did not go into any details.

The Hamas spokesperson also claimed the violence was in response to attacks by Jewish settlers.

"Every day they are building settlements, taking our lands, killing our people, entering our cities. Through the mediators, [the Egyptians, the Qatari or the UN] we tell them to stop but they didnt listen to anyone."

Foppe posted...

The Palestine Muslims are the only Muslims that had Jewish traditions.
They kept Jewish sacred religious places intact.
There are old archaeological ruins showing that Jews and Muslims lived side by side there.
Their ancestors are the Jews that lived there, and they have the right to live there.

Where do these people come from? Just making shit up just to draw attention to themselves.

s0nicfan posted...

BBC was saying around 250 dead, over a thousand injured, and an unknown number of hostages

FYI they've been doing live updates all day which is one of the quicker ways to keep up:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895

Also apparently they're saying they had Iran backing as well, so shit's going to get worse:

Trump and Pompeo stirred that hornets nest and well see the outcome at some moment. Hell wasnt covid 19 what cooled off the situation.

I know Trump shoved his hand in there with the embassy moving and stuff, but I really don't think you can blame him for Israeli-Palestine conflicts.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how this could have happened in the first place. It was such a monumental intelligence failure on Israel's part.

Thoughts:

A conflict can have two bad guys

Terrorist attacks are bad

The US response to terrorist attacks should not be "Israel can do some light genocide as a treat"