Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 8: The Allmother of Seals

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Sheep007 posted...

I woke up to pee and remembered this might be up. I used an ability granted to me by Death last night. Isquen can confirm in DTC that he jailkept me.

##Vote: Wallz
##Vote: Wallz
##Unvote

So you claim to have been jailkept, but you supposedly kept your ability, and it looks like you used it here despite claiming to be jailkept?

wallmasterz posted...

So you claim to have been jailkept, but you supposedly kept your ability, and it looks like you used it here despite claiming to be jailkept?

The second vote wouldn't show up on votals, if we got official ones. I was doing it to prove to Death that I was truthful about having no doublevote yesterday. Alas, day ended before he showed up.

Wall, what I am trying to do is find someone like Lopen that one game where he didn't unvote and caught scum that way. He recognized that my flailing and frustration made me town. And I chose to recognize him as town as well.

wallmasterz posted...

What is your take on the remaining players?

I'm not sure how much I trust you. Or anyone, honestly.

I want you to prove to me that you're town. After your D1 and D2, I need some kind of proof. And who did you guard last night?

BCT: I'm town, I swear it!
Ctes: Sketchy. He's a scary scum player. He claimed Tina Turner, TOWN Singer, and it wouldn't surprise me if he just looked at the Mafia Scum Wiki to find the "singer" role with Tina Turner being on a safelist.
Death: He had three 1-ups to give town. Nobody says that has to be a town role. It still doesn't sit right with me that I got RB'd despite having claimed no powers. What did scum know? I'm wondering if he is SCUM Pineapple Vendor and he has to give powers to town every night.
Red: Don't know anymore. The fact that he's still alive is setting off alarm bells for me. He's certainly not SK, but he could still be third party. With his role as he claimed, a vig who keeps getting shots every time he hits scum, he can't be scum since SBell already flipped. I don't want to lynch him right now.
Ulti: Is Ulti. He's certainly taking a relatively relaxed approach for himself, which could be an over-correction from that disastrous scum game he had a while back. I honestly don't know what to make of him.
Sheep: That comment above has too many qualifiers and is setting off all kinds of alarm bells. Are you town, or just scum fucking with us?

So based on Sheep's claim here, he and Death cannot be scum together. If Death is town, he could have (but didn't necessarily) given an item to scum. If Death is scum, I can't see Blade allowing him to give items to buddies. That would make scum too OP.

I still stand by my FD vote >_> we didn't hit scum directly but without the modkills yesterday the game would have been all but solved.

UltimaterializerX posted...

When Im not on the road and back at home Ill have full thoughts on everyone.

Oh, ninja'd.

This would explain why he's had that "relatively relaxed approach" lol

Heres my take on things: this feels like town ulti to me and now confirmed town Chang believed very strongly that this is town ulti. I would town clear ulti. Sheep makes me a bit nervous because prior to this game hes played extremely well as scum replacing in about 3-4 times in a row now, but I am trying to get there in seeing sheep as town, it feels more likely.

Death is probably town, his role would be really weird as scum, but its not impossible.

I need to read back on some stuff. Theoretically, that leaves BCT, ctes and red as remaining scum.

Also I voted FD because he was frustrating the crap out of me, but I won't go any further than that.

wallmasterz posted...

I need to read back on some stuff. Theoretically, that leaves BCT, ctes and red as remaining scum.

Wall is scum.

And no, not because he listed me. But because he thinks Red and SBell could coexist on a scum team.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Also I voted FD because he was frustrating the crap out of me, but I won't go any further than that.

Wall is scum.

And no, not because he listed me. But because he thinks Red and SBell could coexist on a scum team.

Why could they not coexist on a scum team?

BCT, you may be town but the reasons I listed on prior days are valid reasons to question you. However, I am now convinced ulti is town and he is convinced youre town. Sultan says your town. Im not all knowing so Im just gonna shut up and hope youre town. With any luck youll realize Im town too.

If I were king Id probably vote out ctes today.

TOWN
BCT
Red
Death
Sheep
Ulti
Ctes
Wall
SCUM

I'm not gonna vote yet but I'm pretty dead set on Wall right now. Not gonna believe he's town if he thinks scum gets two EKs.

We also never resolved why no second person died N2 and I think it's because both Red and scum shot Plum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Can someone walk me through Deaths role and/or Chang having the guilty scan on Wall yesterday? Wall claimed blocked but Chang saw him move and visit the neighborhood, correct?

Death is a Pineapple Vendor. Chang had a one-use watch from Death N1, where he saw Dumey kill Corrik (but not Lea, who was already dead). I got a teleporter (self bus drive) on N2 and switched with IGCD, expecting he would be killed or RB'd (he was the latter). And not Sheep got a double vote coupon.

IGCD is the one who claimed the guilty scan on Wall but that was a bluff. IGCD most certainly suspected Wall above everyone else and he ain't the first.

wallmasterz posted...

Why could they not coexist on a scum team?

Giving a scummate a doublevote that is usable in LYLO is busted (and, again, would result in the game having ended). The only possibility where either of us isn't Town right now is that Death is scum and either has a role that benefits from my using the ability, or made an utterly catastrophic mistake in forgetting to block me last night. I think both are highly unlikely.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Can someone walk me through Deaths role and/or Chang having the guilty scan on Wall yesterday? Wall claimed blocked but Chang saw him move and visit the neighborhood, correct?

Also I really shouldnt be playing while driving, bbl. And god help you people if you fucking mislynch me at mylo again. Im still pissed off at SBell for that shit when Corrik and I had it solved.

IGCD falsely claimed to have a result saying I can communicate with boards outside the game. because I am bodyguard everyone immediately leaned towards believing I was scum. However, IGCDs flip revealed his night action result to be fabricated as I asserted all along because Im town and it was highly annoying. He lied for reasons?

Sheep007 posted...

Giving a scummate a doublevote that is usable in LYLO is busted (and, again, would result in the game having ended). The only possibility where either of us isn't Town right now is that Death is scum and either has a role that benefits from my using the ability, or made an utterly catastrophic mistake in forgetting to block me last night. I think both are highly unlikely.

Oh. I am tired and misread who it was aimed at, very badly.

Red cannot be on a scumteam with SBell because he shot SBell and nobody else could have. Pretty simple, no?

wallmasterz posted...

Why could they not coexist on a scum team?

Two extra kills on a 5-man scum team that both deliberately fool town is way over-the-top, my friend.

SBell's role serves as an extra janitor kill. Town gets no info from the flip. We only know Lea is town because Peaf saw her in DTC. And she said she isn't a PGO or bomb.

Red's role is a vig shot that recharges itself if he hits scum. He killed SBell N1 and Plum N2. I think scum also killed Plum N2. But if he used it to kill a scumbuddy, that's trickery just like a janitor kill. If they're on a scum team together, it makes it way too hard for town to win because they don't get the info they need to solve the game. A host like Blade would absolutely take that into account.

Sure, if Red is lying and he only had one extra shot, that's possible, but why claim the shot on Plum in that instance? If Red is scum, we only have two scum remaining. 5 scum in an 18-person game with 2 EKs is a bit much. You are insistent on 5 scum and 2 of them having EKs, which makes no sense to me.

Also Death/Sheep cannot be scum together for the reason I already highlighted. If Death is scum, he has to give his powers to town. Sheep being scum doesn't have any relation to Death's role; it's its own thing entirely.

I realize we are probably going to end the game on my mislynch, which hooray! However, let me just say the mass claim actually screwed town over for a change. Since I was roleblocked for a second night in a row, and clearly scum has no intention of night killing me since Im the most appealing mislynch, let me share my full role so whoever is town can have the full picture when thinking about game balance.

I am Mr. T, Super Elite Bodyguard. I work the same as a regular bodyguard with two differences. One, if I successfully bg someone it lasts through the night and the following day. Two, if someone kills my bg recipient, they die as well. I would most likely be an extra kill for town, but if say red is indeed town and I bgd plum, me and red would both die when red shoots plum. I wanted to hold onto that info but now that theres no one else it makes sense for scum to ever roleblock besides me, I think its worth town knowing.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Scum inventor is a role thats been used here before and it wouldnt surprise me this game. You are confirmed town. He is not. Assuming confirmed town when it hasnt actually happened yet is blatantly how towns use games.

Oh yeah, it's for sure a possibility, I just think it's very unlikely. And I consider myself able to read Death well enough that I'm confident he's town entirely removed from that. Then if we get into role meta...

*if someone targets my bg recipient

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red/Wall/ctes/Death

The question is: Which flip tells us the most info?

For that reason alone, I think Death is off the board. As I got the present from him, he's very clearly the role he says he is, but is not necessarily town. He could benefit from giving items to people if scum. And, again, if he is scum, he can only give items to town.

Red is most certainly telling the truth about the SBell kill. But is he lying about the Plum shot? Why would a scum Red risk drawing that kind of attention to himself? Really bold play.

wallmasterz posted...

I am Mr. T, Super Elite Bodyguard. I work the same as a regular bodyguard with two differences. One, if I successfully bg someone it lasts through the night and the following day. Two, if someone targets my bg recipient, they die as well. I would most likely be an extra kill for town, but if say red is indeed town and I bgd plum, me and red would both die when red shoots plum. I wanted to hold onto that info but now that theres no one else it makes sense for scum to ever roleblock besides me, I think its worth town knowing.

I was roleblocked N2 with the teleporter. I'm pretty sure that this was intended for IGCD at this point. So you bodyguarded me that night, because if you hadn't, I'd be dead just for trying to save IGCD.

Unless this specifies killing actions only. In which case it'd have to be Red or scum doing that. The question is... could you have killed town with that? Perhaps you and Red are both town. Your roles could overlap in a swingy way. Or perhaps it's because there's only scum roles that can kill, in which case... there'd have to be a 4-man team, meaning this isn't MYLO.

Ctes, however, is probably someone worth pursuing today. Again, I think he saw Tina Turner on the safelist, looked up "Mafia singer" and just reported what was on the Wiki. I think his is a BS claim.

Everyone will see sooner or later Im being truthful. I dont know Blade. Ulti, if you dont think Blade would give town a kill that can backfire in any way, sure. I didnt think it was too negative towards town because what are the odds a town player is going to kill the same player I chose to protect out of everyone, if that makes sense.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

The question is: Which flip tells us the most info?

The rest of your post is good stuff, but respectfully, this is not a good approach at what is probably MyLo. Town should kill whoever they think is most likely scum. Sucks if its me, but that is just a fact. Gotta go for the highest chance of killing scum, not info gathering in hail mary hopes we can afford another mislynch.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
Unless this specifies killing actions only.

Yeah, its only killing.

wallmasterz posted...

The rest of your post is good stuff, but respectfully, this is not a good approach at what is probably MyLo. Town should kill whoever they think is most likely scum. Sucks if its me, but that is just a fact. Gotta go for the highest chance of killing scum, not info gathering in hail mary hopes we can afford another mislynch.

There are four people who all have others suspecting them. We're all as likely to be right as we are wrong.

Don't think I made that part clear. And if all four Ulti listed are just as likely to be scum, plus Ulti himself honestly, who is most likely to be scum AND tells us the most info? If we can nail a missing piece of info or two, we can win. But that would require gambling on, say, lynching Red, when that makes no sense right now. If Red is scum or third party, scum is a team of 4. If Red is town, we could potentially have 5 scum with two town kills that could counteract each other if things don't go right.

I'm of the opinion we kill wallz, then we kill ulti(his contribution to the game up to this point amounts to ??? and we see him today entertaining a billion scenarios when from his PoV it should be pretty set).

Things could change based on a scum flip but really we just let everyone check in then murder wallz first. It is a very simple day.

Yes red because your last very simple day went so well.

Ulti is obviously town the same way sbell was obviously scum to me. If ulti is scum its by far the best Ive seen him play as scum. And I would rather my contributions be ??? than single-handedly led the worst mislynch of the game

UltimaterializerX posted...

Of those 4 I mentioned the most likely scum is Wall (changing a claim this late is just awful but that goes without saying). The most important one to lynch is Red, because most of you are cowards who dont lynch him unless you have permission from someone on his level. Death and ctes are mainly role meta and PoE this game having like no vanillas is the biggest reason I trust BCT and Sheep.

I realize you dont know Im town yet, but do you really think I shouldve claimed that when we massed? People didnt need to know more than I was bg.

Wallz you are literally confirmed scum sit down. I appreciate the attempt but lol.

Leafeon13N posted...

Wallz you are literally confirmed scum sit down. I appreciate the attempt but lol.

Dont worry, I saved a slice of humble pie from the massive amount I ate during sultans Gamefaqs mafia. If youre also town, I will be ready to share during postgame.

wallmasterz posted...

Dont worry, I saved a slice of humble pie from the massive amount I ate during sultans Gamefaqs mafia. If youre also town, I will be ready to share during postgame.

Taking FD off the board was part of solving the game if we didn't have double modkills it was over. If you win this game its going to be on a technicality. I wouldn't brag much.

If you guys want my conspiracy brain, I ponder if scum got a bonus for wiping out the neighborhood.

Leafeon13N posted...

Taking FD off the board was part of solving the game if we didn't have double modkills it was over. If you win this game its going to be on a technicality. I wouldn't brag much.

If I win this game its taking a miracle not a technicality dude.

Leafeon13N posted...

Wallz you are literally confirmed scum sit down. I appreciate the attempt but lol.

May I ask what makes you say this? IGCD was bluffing, so I wanna see your logic. (I have my own, mind you.)

BlueCrystalTear posted...

May I ask what makes you say this? IGCD was bluffing, so I wanna see your logic. (I have my own, mind you.)

Am I crazy? I don't see him saying he was bluffing.

red13n posted...

Am I crazy? I don't see him saying he was bluffing.

...have you read any of this topic?

*30 second fart noise*

time to turn 360 degrees and walk away from this thread

BlueCrystalTear posted...

...have you read any of this topic?

I read IGCD's posts. He only has like 3 of them. The only thing he says he was lying about was having 1 charge.

red13n posted...

I read IGCD's posts. He only has like 3 of them. The only thing he says he was lying about was having 1 charge.

And then he got himself modkilled and flipped according to his original claim.

Either red is scum/3p faking dumb, or otherwise I guess he doesnt need to read the posts by lesser tier players or checks notes co-hosts

BlueCrystalTear posted...

And then he got himself modkilled and flipped according to his original claim.

huh. Oh yeah IGCD kind of fucked us harder than I realized. I just took him at face value cause it was such an annoying end to the day.

wallmasterz posted...

Either red is scum/3p faking dumb, or otherwise I guess he doesnt need to read the posts by lesser tier players or checks notes co-hosts

I'm definitely a skimmer. Especially if tired or frustrated. That was definitely a frustrated.

I saw the modkill first, scrolled over to IGCD posting to a post asking if he was lying, him not saying he was lying, and then bouncing out.

red13n posted...

huh. Oh yeah IGCD kind of fucked us harder than I realized. I just took him at face value cause it was such an annoying end to the day.

I believe he was just bluffing to see how I'd react to scanning innocent and how Wall would react to scanning guilty. I would guess he thought Wall was scum, but was uncertain about me.

I really don't know how to word my thoughts about myself without seeming suspect - any of you got pointers for that? But honestly, I felt a huge relief being confirmed town, then was disappointed when it was revealed to be nothing more than a bluff.