Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 8: The Allmother of Seals

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I would like BCT to show and then we end the day whenever. Maybe early enough to get the next day up and not have a dreadful 36 hour night?

Sheep007 posted...

It kinda is. I can't be on a three person scumteam, you can. Wallz is saying with 100% certainty that it's a two person scumteam by voting me.

No you said if he mislynches and there's a three person team he doesn't lose if it's me. And it's wrong. Any mislynch if a threw person team it's gameover.

Sheep007 posted...

Rest assured I will rally your good name and bring down Ctes with haste tomorrow should this be a mislynch, Wallz.

This is all the bad vibes too.

Sheep007 posted...

I would like BCT to show and then we end the day whenever. Maybe early enough to get the next day up and not have a dreadful 36 hour night?

What the hell is it you want from him? He has been here.

ctesjbuvf posted...

What the hell is it you want from him? He has been here.

I mean, end the day now if you want, I don't really have any issue. Might just help clean up any remaining paranoia about Wallz being town that anyone else has

I will reserve my paranoia for after the flip

UltimaterializerX posted...

Sheep literally mathematically cannot be scum.

Ulti if youre town dont forget this is wrong if the game continues after my flip.

BCTs flavor is Zuul.

Im ready to join the fun in dtc if game doesnt end. Lets go ahead and call it

##Unvote
##Vote: Wallz

Why are you curious about his flavor, Ulti?

Ah

(Meanwhile I have forgotten almost everyone's flavor)

Hey guys.

Wall and Sheep are definitely not scum together, and the fact that scum didn't jump on Sheep's two votes for Wall proves that one of them is 100% scum. If Wall flips town, we get Sheep if the game doesn't end. I don't know if anyone realized that a scum Sheep using those two votes doesn't confirm him town.

Sheep can't be scum RB - Isquen jailing him but Wall still claiming he was blocked shows this. If Wall is scum, the only explanations are that scum for some reason blocked the kill target or that the RB failed, so Wall could lie without worry of a counter-claim. If Wall is town and was indeed blocked, Sheep couldn't have gotten it off from jail. If Sheep is scum, he's godfather.

Does anyone have questions for me before end of the day?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Does anyone have questions for me before end of the day?

I know this sounds weird but it just sounded like people do lol

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I know this sounds weird but it just sounded like people do lol

Nah, I'm just kinda expecting to die tonight and want the order to be clear. I also wanna reiterate just how confident I am in both Death and Red being Town. Just bear that in mind.

Also, this does hardconfirm Wallz as Scum beyond the joke option of four scum, since no hammer has come down. Anyone should feel free to hammer as a result.

By "the order", I mean that Ctes should be killed tomorrow almost instantly. Don't think there's any uncertainty there, and I am all but certain Ulti is the final one. Y'all got this.

Well if by any chance I get killed tonight, thats the order I would go in too.

Though I would not vote Ctes instantly of course.

tbh I think Ctes is scum no matter how the cookie crumbles. Whether there's 2 or 3 left, I don't see a scum team without him.

I don't know about ending the day early since we haven't caught scum. Ending 8 hours early certainly beats ending it 24 hours early.

wallmasterz posted...

Why didnt this have alarm bells going off for any of us when BCT asked this?

I mean, my alarm bells were going off, which is why I asked. And then Peaf got modkilled, which derailed the discussion. Related: I don't know why Isquen picked Sheep, only why he didn't pick Wall.

And let's elaborate a little more on that gem that Wall quoted:
Sheep007 posted...

I assume jailkeeping the vanilla claim to try and stop them killing is more likely than scum thinking I was power?

Although actually, assuming Wallz is scum I was probably the scum target last night.

If Wall is scum, why would his team block a claimed vanilla? How could they have known that Death gave Sheep a power? A lucky guess? Death knew what the power was, which would mean Death isn't scum here. And again, Death and Sheep can't be scum together. Death HAS to be the pineapple vendor, but that role is NAI. I also don't know about Death and Wall being scum together. Death can't be scum RB unless he earns roleblocks by giving trinkets to town. So I doubt Sheep would have been RB'd if Death is scum.

If Wall is scum, why would he claim being RB'd out of the gate? Doing so risks a counterclaim from someone who got a gift from Death, so a scum Wall would have had to know such a thing couldn't happen. So either scum RB'd Isquen to be safe (unlikely) or the RB failed, possibly because they went for Sheep who was jailed.

AFAIK, if scum roleblocks a Vanillager, they still get a message that the roleblock was successful, not if it actually blocked anything. And if town and scum both have an RB and both block the same person, both get success messages. Of course, since a jailkeep on a scum RB prevents that RB from using the power, the jailkeep might take precedence on someone else even if the scum action is redundant. I think it depends on the host.

It's very possible that Isquen just didn't trust Sheep, and I really felt like there was manipulation going on and maybe Sheep was the source of that... just the way he was wording things feels off to me. Could also have been Wall, who as I've said numerous times tunneled me for no reason on D1 and D2, when he should have been hunting scum.

Yeah, saying that Scum mighta blocked me was bold and not a particularly well thought-out statement. No reason for them to have done so there, I just got excited that my softing power the previous day might have worked. I don't think there was any manipulation of roleblocking stuff going on D4, Wallz just claimed blocked rather than blocking anyone because there were no good blocking targets.

Also, BCT, Wall is literally confirmed scum at this point unless scum are trolling or there's 4 scum in a 18 player game which is offensively low. I don't think you should take anything he says at face value.

I think Isquen just wanted to be sure one of the not claiming to move players didnt actually move.
I dont think he did it to protect Sheep.

I doubt anyone changes their mind here but you guys realize ctes is probably scum rb right?

If we lynch ctes first and hes scum rb, I could use my bg tonight. If I guess right, I self resolve, which doesnt even matter at that point because I would kill what is apparently the last scum. Scum could go the scaredy cat route and kill me directly, but then we save a mislynch.

Worst case scenario I guess the nk wrong and everyone can just lynch me tomorrow anyway.

I appreciate the posts Wallz, but we cant trust anything you suggest obviously
I dont know why Ctes has to be the RB either

And at this stage I think its time to not drag this out anymore.

Dont know if selfvotes count tho, so I would really like to have someone here that can also vote just in case

You seem a little antsy death

wallmasterz posted...

You seem a little antsy death

Just wanted to be able to see your flip

And thanks Ulti
##Vote: Wallz

@Crescent-Moon
Stop?

@Crescent-Moon
@Meow1000

Can we get votals?

Dealing with some major BS right now will give a proper flip later

Wall was Mr. T Town Super Elite Bodyguard

It is now night. Day will come up tonight if possible otherwise tomorrow

Wall has been Mr. Tbagged. He was Mr. T, TOWN Super Elite Bodyguard

The man who put Mohawk on the map. You're too good for a name - You just need the one letter. You've played a variety of roles over your time in cinema, but even off the screen, your size and strength made you perfect at what you do. You're beyond "elite". You go the extra mile, no matter the circumstances.

You are Mr. T, TOWN Super Elite Bodyguard.

Every night, you may choose to protect one player. This protection will continue into the next day phase and end at the beginning of the next night phase. If someone attempts to kill your target, you will sacrifice yourself for them, and kill their attacker in the process.

Alive (6):

1. BCT
3. Ctes
8. Red
11. Ulti
14. Death
15. Sheep

Mr. Tbagged:
Sultan: Dick Tracy, TOWN PT Cop (LD1)
Lea: (KD1)
SBell: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper (KN1)
Corrik: Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor (KN1)
EDumey: Beowulf, MAFIA Dragon Chaser (LD2)
Plum: A Buddhist Monk, TOWN Mindful (KN2)
FD: Mr. Ed, TOWN Neighbor (LD3)
Isquen: Small Town Sheriff, TOWN Jailmaster (KN3)
Peaf: Asbjorg Nesje, TOWN Death Diver (MKD4)
IGCD: Luigi, TOWN Semi-Competent Backup (MKD4)
Chang: Mr. Rogers, TOWN Neighbor (KN4)
Wall: Mr. T., TOWN Super Elite Bodyguard (LD5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43Qw_F7bMs

Red has been Recked. He was Paranoid Gun Owner, TOWN Compulsive Vigilante

You know they're coming. Anyone could be one of them EVERYONE COULD BE ONE OF THEM WHAT CAN YOU DO oh wait you have a gun that's what you can do! It's so smart when you think about it rationally, isn't it? Obviously it's up to you and you're perfectly justified because they're coming they're coming ohgodtheyrecoming.

You are Paranoid Gun Owner, TOWN Compulsive Vigilante.

You must attempt to kill someone on night 1 of the game. As long as you successfully kill anti-town, your resolve will be hardened, and you must attempt to kill someone on the following night.

Alive (5):

1. BCT
3. Ctes
11. Ulti
14. Death
15. Sheep

Recked:
Sultan: Dick Tracy, TOWN PT Cop (LD1)
Lea: (KD1)
SBell: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper (KN1)
Corrik: Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor (KN1)
EDumey: Beowulf, MAFIA Dragon Chaser (LD2)
Plum: A Buddhist Monk, TOWN Mindful (KN2)
FD: Mr. Ed, TOWN Neighbor (LD3)
Isquen: Small Town Sheriff, TOWN Jailmaster (KN3)
Peaf: Asbjorg Nesje, TOWN Death Diver (MKD4)
IGCD: Luigi, TOWN Semi-Competent Backup (MKD4)
Chang: Mr. Rogers, TOWN Neighbor (KN4)
Wall: Mr. T., TOWN Super Elite Bodyguard (LD5)
Red: Paranoid Gun Owner, TOWN Compulsive Vigilante (KN5)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to Recksomeone. The day will end at 8pm EST on Thursday, October 17th.

All if Sheep's bad vibe posts yesterday became way worse when Wallz flipped town and game continued.

I still trust Death has to be town. Otherwise Dumey doesn't make that claim. BCT is the more likely town of Ulti and BCT probably.

But I will be pretty darn surprised if Sheep is not scum.

I will happily elaborate more tomorrow, but it's basically being so insistant on being town confirmed despite no one calling him scum, and also saying the game was obvious and solved to the point where people should agree on all lynches going forward.

Yet still said in the end something like "if Wallz flips town" after that push.

Wasn't there a point where you said there were likely no vanillas?

Death is the only person that cannot be scum. It doesn't make sense.

BCT's best town case is that if he is scum it seems they bus drove their roleblock to themselves. This could of course be a bluff, but it seems more likely scum thought IGCD wasn't one time. It's a really good play if BCT is on that scum team. They were in a pinch at the time, so it's not impossible but most likely case is I was wrong about you earlier. I don't see how yesterday cleared you whatsoever.

If you think Death can be scum, your PoE should be literally everyone.

Was going to vote Sheep and unvote to make a point, but now I don't know. The "anti-town" language in Red's flip implies the existence of a third party. And since it's not Red, who is it?

Ctes is the one I'm most certain is scum right now. I don't see a scum team without him on it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Andy. Sheep. The time to claim survivor is now if you are one. You literally cannot lose.

Not me. I'm vanilla like always.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Ctes is the one I'm most certain is scum right now. I don't see a scum team without him on it.

How does Sheep/Ulti sound to you?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Also I went and re-read what little Abacus had to say and it reeked of scum, regardless of Sheeps play.

Okay this would be clever bussing though.

Anyway, Ulti is making no sense. Death isn't scum. If you are so sure there is a third party and that one vanilla was unlikely why could Death or I not be the third party?

Not that it makes sense to think about to begin with imo, but you get my point.