Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 8: The Allmother of Seals

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Sheep007 posted...

I woke up to pee and remembered this might be up. I used an ability granted to me by Death last night. Isquen can confirm in DTC that he jailkept me.

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

Then let me ask you this: How do you know it was Isquen who RB'd (jailkept) you and not scum?

Sheep007 posted...

I assume jailkeeping the vanilla claim to try and stop them killing is more likely than scum thinking I was power?

Although actually, assuming Wallz is scum I was probably the scum target last night.

Why didnt this have alarm bells going off for any of us when BCT asked this? Great catch by BCT and odds are high its a scum slip. We have had no roleblocker flip and sheeps first post of the day is knowing he was jailkept by Isquen. Sheep said it with full confidence - Isquen can confirm

wallmasterz posted...

Why didnt this have alarm bells going off for any of us when BCT asked this? Great catch by BCT and odds are high its a scum slip. We have had no roleblocker flip and sheeps first post of the day is knowing he was jailkept by Isquen. Sheep said it with full confidence - Isquen can confirm

this doesn't sound like a slip.

Like, could sheep be scum. Sure. Is that a tell either way. Not really.

Plus Sheep already answered that question when BCT first asked it

wallmasterz posted...

I tried to bodyguard Isquen but was roleblocked.

I still am not liking peafs vibes. Peaf, you need to tell us when you plan on using your ability.

This post was before I claimed roleblocked. So Wallz has just claimed that he was roleblocked, and Isquen did not block the claimed bodyguard. Fairly obvious assumption, no?

Acually

We have had no roleblocker flip

This is a weird thing to say for someone who supposedly got roleblocked that same night
Plus, yaknow, both BCT claimed to have been blocked by someone that could not have been Isquen/Abacus

Quoted Wallz there, just to be clear

wallz - should be utli/ctes/sheep (BCT/ctes/red ???)
ctes - should be ulti/wallz/sheep (hasn't said anything beyond wallz)
ulti - should be wallz/ctes/sheep (ctes/red/wall/death ???)
sheep - should be ulti/wallz/ctes (lines up)

Here is who should theoretically be on the table. Who I think should be in there PoE, and then what there actual PoE has been today.

It is confusing to say the least.

I still think the most logical explanation is that an SK killed SBell and Plum. Maybe the answer is in who suspected both. I know you get s*** for bringing up SKs occasionally but people are humoring a goddamn PGO.

This was ctes before I claimed. Did he get caught leaking info early? At this point scum would be thinking SK. I had already floated Isquen blocking a scum kill the night before, so maybe he took it for granted.

Also I got to point out the irony here while I got a chance and since I checked back at what my flavor actually is. There was a big long discussion of dumb theorizing that sbell got killed by PGO. My flavor is actually PGO. So it was -technically- correct.

If no one is going to fight the obvious answer is ulti/wallz/ctes and we move on.

Its more fun when people are invested though.

I am surprised I am not on your table, but Sheep is
Is that because you think it could be 2 scum left?

I kind of hope we were put in a horrible trap and death is a scum role. I'm not tracking this path but I really don't feel like death has been on the ball. Hell his response way earlier when JK+BG was claimed was "Yeah that seems reasonable" when we also had backup claimed and he was talking about giving away protection.

Again roles dictate we take death as town, but hes felt way off the ball to me for awhile. Roles not just being his own, but they also provide a secondary use for mindful(Which thus far seems to just be here to stop looper, but would also block RB with a coupon).

But yeah some of those lists read less like PoE and more like "who do I need to lynch to win?"

oh you ninja'd me with that.

I don't necessarily know. I mean, numbers say there should be a scum team of 3.

But theres enough weird roles here that I don't know exactly what roles are hidden from us. Its possible it is 2 and some sort of Indy shenanigans.

Honestly, I was partially just spitballing the 2 number out there to see how people would react.

I dont think I trusted the BG claim so much as I just wanted to let it play out for a night.
I trusted it even less when Ulti claimed 1shot BP.
Either way I didnt trust IGCDs convenient claim.
Plus I only had a single self busdrive to hand out, that was about as much 'protection' as I could give.

And honestly Mindful sounds like it could be a role trap for town to suspect.
That and we dont know what scum has left besides a RB

Ulti's 1 shot BP doesn't make any sense in context.

I am honestly surprised no one has really thought to give it any attention. I was kind of waiting and nothing.

htaeD posted...

That and we dont know what scum has left besides a RB

We don't even know exactly what the RB has. All the town roles have a bit of a twist to them for the most part.

Hmmm
I do wonder how its supposed to work with a renewable shot

anyway today has definitely been a bit of a downer. Wallz got all resigned to die and hasn't fought much. ctes hasn't been here much. Ulti self-posted a bit and hasn't posted much.

Sheep is theoretically immune to death today so I understand him a bit.

But the first 3 should all consider themselves in dire peril and I don't quite compute why people don't have much of a fight response. Alignment be damned.

Could be town feeling depressed after day4
Could be scum trying to mimic town depression and mask how excited they really were about day4

Honestly in my case it's the same answer as the whole game. I don't have the time at all to play and it also hurts motivation because I basically can't find moments to dig deep down other than breaks. Normally I'm against talking about such too much but yeah this game has different circumstances.

Gonna put the cards on the table. Don't see anything changing with the time we have left.

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I don't actually know the formatting so I hope that this is sufficient.

I think Sheep has looked quite scummy today but I do agree I don't think he can fit into any 3 person team unless scum are paranoid or there is some catch somewhere we do not know of.

I have thought that Wallz/Sheep could make sense and Sheep is then trying to get very town confirmed today and plan the next days already knowing he would look good after "leading" that lynch with a double vote. Especially trying to get BCT to agree so I guess that would be a person they don't plan on night killing.

In any case Wallz is a good lynch today. It makes sense to think who looks better from the lynch because scum are on it but that's about it for what care I can show today.

htaeD posted...

Acually

This is a weird thing to say for someone who supposedly got roleblocked that same night
Plus, yaknow, both BCT claimed to have been blocked by someone that could not have been Isquen/Abacus

What are you on about death? I said we had not had a scum rb flip. So if sheep is town why would he speak so confidently that Isquen definitely RBd him.

red13n posted...

wallz - should be utli/ctes/sheep (BCT/ctes/red ???)

I have said ctes + sheep most recently.

Oh you meant it in the sense of 'scumRB has not diet yet'
I thought you meant 'scumRB has not been proven to exist yet' which would have been silly yes.
But Sheeps answer makes sense to me,why would Isquen jailkeep you?

Isquen voted me nearly every time the entire game. He said he would vote me 3 times if he could lol

Why the hell would he not jailkeep his biggest scum read to try preventing a nk?

Because he wanted to give the claimed BG a chance to do something?

Look whats sheep going to say here? Yes Im scum? Its a fine backpedal attempt by him now but it makes z-e-r-o sense for him to say Isquen RBd him. All we know for sure is sheep isnt the scum rb because I was also roleblocked that night.

htaeD posted...

Because he wanted to give the claimed BG a chance to do something?

You are giving a good reason why Isquen might not rb me. If he thought I was being truthful which he did not. Second game in a row Isquen was wrongly up my ass, yippee.

What we need to ask is how could sheep know with 100% confidence Isquen was rb him instead of me. Because of Isquens suspicion of me, it makes no sense.

death that is basically saying sheep knew Isquen RBd him because there is no chance Isquen jailkept his biggest scum read

Btw I do think you are scum, Wallz
It just would be rude to not converse.

Sheep already gave an explanation day4, so its not like he 'backpedaled' today only.
And at this point its hard for me to believe Sheep can be scum unless scum is held back by something (numbers, powers, who knows)

death that is basically saying sheep knew Isquen RBd him because there is no chance Isquen jailkept his biggest scum read

I feel like he would be a teamplayer and he wouldnt block you because it would muddle the results
I doubt a scum in your kind of position would be sending in the kill either IMO.

red13n posted...

But the first 3 should all consider themselves in dire peril and I don't quite compute why people don't have much of a fight response. Alignment be damned.

Its not hard to compute. This group doesnt ever change course from stupid mislynches even after 100+ games of mafia played. I am giving solid reasoning and we both know not everyone gives a shit, especially when Im confirmed scum for things like having Mr. in my role, stopping tunneling sbell when no one else besides me and peaf cared, and saying if I win instead of if we win which lol wtf theres multiple people on both alignment anyway and I was responding to a post talking about me specifically.

I couldve posted nothing or 100 times and nothing will change short of a host note confirming my innocence. Ill flip town, town will go oh wow and move on having learned nothing.

Writing is on the wall, Im out for the day. Hopefully theres three scum left so this game will end after my mislynch and we as town will all learn a lot, so much, Im sure. Like we did when we didnt lynch Leas puppet or when we did lynch Lea the bodyguard or we wrongly lynched death the bodyguard

Lets face it no shame in being next in the long line. Damn near poetic for town to lose on a bg mislynch. Gg scum. May see yall next game.

Isquen jailkeeping Wallz makes sense.

Scum RBing Sheep is a little weird though.

Killing ctes and sheep here was obvious. No complaints allowed about the modkills in postgame, town earned the big fat L heading our way. Peace.

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I mean, if you think both me and Ctes are Scum, you at least kill Ctes first because if you're wrong and there's a three person team you don't lose on the spot by lynching him. Poor play tbh, I expect better.

(This is me being a little bitch, I do not begrudge you trying to save yourself and I think you've done a solid job. If Isquen hadn't jailed me y'all would probably have won this game)

I dont even follow you anymore Wallz.

Ctes has a point too, the only way it would make sense for scum to block Sheep is if I was scum and knew I had given Sheep a doublevote and how that doublevote worked.
But a doublevote that only triggers once is not worth stopping over something like a BG or Jailmaster. And even if scum did fear it, they would have to block Sheep twice because the coupon lasts that long.

Sheep007 posted...

I mean, if you think both me and Ctes are Scum, you at least kill Ctes first because if you're wrong and there's a three person team you don't lose on the spot by lynching him.

This isn't true lol.

ctesjbuvf posted...

This isn't true lol.

It kinda is. I can't be on a three person scumteam, you can. Wallz is saying with 100% certainty that it's a two person scumteam by voting me.

Rest assured I will rally your good name and bring down Ctes with haste tomorrow should this be a mislynch, Wallz.

I think I get what he means?
But for Ctes to be part of a 3man scumteam at this point, it would probably have to include 2 people not online right now.

Btw what do we think of Ulti's BP claim?
Personally the more I ponder it, the more I feel it only serves to exist as a stopgap for too much killing.

wallmasterz posted...

I couldve posted nothing or 100 times and nothing will change short of a host note confirming my innocence. Ill flip town, town will go oh wow and move on having learned nothing.

That really isn't how this community works at all. You complain a lot but your understanding is still small.

Sheep007 posted...

It kinda is. I can't be on a three person scumteam, you can. Wallz is saying with 100% certainty that it's a two person scumteam by voting me.

Rest assured I will rally your good name and bring down Ctes with haste tomorrow should this be a mislynch, Wallz.

That would require this not being MyLo. Know something we dont?

red13n posted...

That really isn't how this community works at all. You complain a lot but your understanding is still small.

I do complain a lot particularly this game lol. Ill own it. Ive been part of plenty of bad mislynches too. But what I said feels true of my limited sample size

htaeD posted...

Btw what do we think of Ulti's BP claim?
Personally the more I ponder it, the more I feel it only serves to exist as a stopgap for too much killing.

I didn't really stop to consider it beyond being aware that it's in the area of roles Scum likes to claim containing roles that are not vanilla but have little possibility to be proven.

wallmasterz posted...

I do complain a lot particularly this game lol. Ill own it. Ive been part of plenty of bad mislynches too. But what I said feels true of my limited sample size

It really isn't. We tend to respond to the loudest voices. Has little to do with anything else.

Personally, emotional appeals tend to turn me off of arguments and the constant talking down to everyone makes me less inclined to take you seriously.

Like, i think there is a decent argument to be made to not lynch you today but you definitely have made me hesitant to make it.

wallmasterz posted...

That would require this not being MyLo. Know something we dont?

Pretty simple: if it's MYLO, you almost necessarily have to be on the scumteam from my PoV (if any of Red, Death or BCT is scum, they've played a blinder). If you're a mislynch, it's therefore not MYLO and I will thankfully get the chance to avenge you.

The fact that everyone except BCT has shown up and Wallz has still not been hammered is a pretty solid affirmation of my choice tbh.