Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 8: The Allmother of Seals

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Ctes claimed Singer, so if Scum kills him, a Town role is revealed to them.

Oh right that nonsense
Its such a useless role it almost loops back around to credible.

Did Ctes even try to bait scum?

htaeD posted...

Oh right that nonsense
Its such a useless role it almost loops back around to credible.

Did Ctes even try to bait scum?

Not particularly. Although I think that was just how he played this game regardless of alignment.

##Vote: Ctes

This one can stay here

Well I have a natural distrust of you of course, but I do like your reactions here and there for how genuine they sound.

Sheep I am even less sure of.
But I plan to reread once I am off from work anyway.

Well Sheep can rule out a me/Ulti team now
Lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

Playing with a bunch of people from weird time zones is certainly an experience.

The three of us are all town, arent we <_<

I find it very fun that there's three Europeans still alive so late. Whenever I've been in endgames in the past, I'm usually speaking to myself for a good portion of it.

Also, fun fact: I thought yesterday was the first time I had ever actually voted as Town in LYLO on B8. Turns out it's actually today.

htaeD posted...

Well Sheep can rule out a me/Ulti team now
Lol

I'm gonna give it a few more minutes to stew because I did the ol' bait and switch earlier but yea, I'm happy to rule that out, it was a possibility in my conspiracy brain.

But since the previous day wasnt actually Mylo/Lylo, does it really count?

And really you should rule out me and Sheep as well, because otherwise you have to accept scum giving themselves a doublevote.

I think Scum giving themselves a doublevote in this economy is pretty viable tbh. Maybe with some rules around not using it at LYLO or something.

Okay so it basically has to be Sheep and they win if they get me. I guess BCT hasn't been around. This isn't thinking more.

htaeD posted...

Oh right that nonsense
Its such a useless role it almost loops back around to credible.

Did Ctes even try to bait scum?

Not anything in particular you don't want to draw out town power. I have been shot being before just not worrying about people putting pressure on me. That's as much as I can say I tried.

Well I want to give Ctes a fair shot (reread wise) since I cant rule out a Sheep/Ulti team here
Though if Sheep is scum its bold of him to make the day about him VS Ctes so soon.

Sheep007 posted...

I think Scum giving themselves a doublevote in this economy is pretty viable tbh. Maybe with some rules around not using it at LYLO or something.

Thats fair. I just know thats not the case.
(At least not from my power)

htaeD posted...

Though if Sheep is scum its bold of him to make the day about him VS Ctes so soon.

It's probably the best play he could make today.

Also don't let this could your minds or anything but it's my birthday today so I might be a bit oddly on and off.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If ctes is scum and claimed his real scum role, who do you think the roleblocker is?

I doubt Ctes role is real, let alone a scumrole.

Oh and congrats Ctes.

Will do

I don't see a reason to unvote tbh. A Death/BCT scumteam seems pretty silly.

I dont know what could be cooking Ulti. But I hope its something good.

Gonna be honest, Ulti, I really don't trust you as things stand. Who's hammering Ctes before BCT shows anyway, if you don't wanna?

Sorry, was sleeping. Having trouble since my apartment smells like crap because some asshole is doing drugs nearby. I'll be notifying the police if my landlord doesn't do anything.

I am Zuul, Town Vanilla.

N2 I got a coupon at the very start of the night phase. It's pretty much what Death already said. I asked a few questions to Crescent, who informed me that I would bus drive a roleblock onto myself and that this would not flip with me if I got myself killed. A lot of discussion was spent on this because FD refused to understand how the power worked, so I'm not sure why you needed this recap, Ulti.

I chose to use it, teleporting myself and IGCD, since I knew scum would either kill or roleblock him. Since I'm a vanillager, I had absolutely nothing to lose. And I wanted to help town if I could. Recall that IGCD didn't claim until D3, so at the time everyone still thought he was some sort of scanner.

Well, I'm very glad I already ruled out a Death/Ulti scumteam because that would absolutely fill me with paranoia. That's a helluva claim, Ulti. I don't think Scum Ulti needs to go for this, but I also am concerned that Scum Ulti might be wanting to go for the hero play. I'm confident he would win with my lynch tomorrow, though, if he kills Death tonight and we get Ctes today.

Ulti there is a simple explanation for that

I know that Sheep was roleblocked night3, and yet a nightkill (on Isquen) and a roleblock (On Wallz) happened that same night.
And I presumed scum was allowed to double up on actions because otherwise Sheep would be confirmed town.

I also know Sheep couldnt have sent in any actions night4, though at that point scum probably didnt need to roleblock anyone anyway.

No idea where the random rb came from either.

Well then. If it's at the very start of the night phase, I'm starting to think that my prior theory that Death could be a scum pineapple vendor might have been right on the money.

But I'm pretty sure I mentioned what Death was talking about there much earlier in this topic when trying to figure out if Sheep could be scum. Since Isquen jailed Sheep, Sheep isn't the roleblocker.

But Death's query there seems very out of place. It's way after and feels like a knowing attempt to mislead. And this means that Ulti is town and Death is scum... or that's what a scum Ulti wants us to think. Because wouldn't a technical vanilla not get a message at all? Unless the power itself says the person will be told regardless if they take an action or not.

I don't see Ulti bussing like this so late in the game so I think I can rule out Death and Ulti being on the same team together. If Death is scum, Ctes is his partner. Has to be.

htaeD posted...

I also know Sheep couldnt have sent in any actions night4, though at that point scum probably didnt need to roleblock anyone anyway.

Explain.

He used the coupon
If you use the coupon, you cant use any other night actions

It wasnt stated, but I assumed this included night kills.

Yeah, Ctes or myself mathematically has to be Scum at this point, BCT (or else a hammer would have happened. Or there's only three scum, in which case I will sob openly if we lose that). Death/Ulti would have hammered.

And as for why I didnt make the query earlier. Thats simply because I had no reason to suspect Sheep yesterday because he wasnt using his doublevote to hammer someone.

I only started to suspect Sheep again after the Wallz flip, and then I suddenly realized the facts that led me to conclude that at the very least Sheep could not be the scumRB.

Sheep007 posted...

I woke up to pee and remembered this might be up. I used an ability granted to me by Death last night. Isquen can confirm in DTC that he jailkept me.

##Vote: Wallz
##Vote: Wallz
##Unvote

Death. Explain that to me again.

I do confess I dont know why Ulti would mention (or fake) this as scum.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Death. Explain that to me again.

Well thats more something Sheep should (and did) explain.
Apparently he wanted to prove that he got roleblocked and that his doublevote did not count because his coupon could not activate yet.

UltimaterializerX posted...

We know ctes is scum. Thats a given. What Im trying to figure out is Andy vs Death and whether or not a third party exists, because if it does town cant win and Im cool with just giving up until the next game because lol modkills who cares.

What scenarios do you think BCT can be Scum in? I'm kinda struggling to see any possibilities right now, but there being a roleblocker that can specifically prevent Death's actions surely makes more sense if Death is Town (or at least not Scum, no?)

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Death. Explain that to me again.

This was me confirming to Death that I couldn't use the doublevote without outright stating it for the rest of the game.

Yeah but why wouldnt they try to block me on day3?

UltimaterializerX posted...

You would never actually need to mention the double vote,

Yes he f***ing would have. He got it from Death.

Like, Death is the only day role. Scum has to get some huge benefit from giving out those items else it's just self-sabotage. Why would there also be a scum dayblocker that's not been seen up to this point?

I would have just told everyone I gave it to Sheep if he didnt admit to it.
It would just out him as scum if he wanted to hide it as scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yes he f***ing would have. He got it from Death.

Plus I couldn't actually use it for hammering given the setup, and I would know that if Scum.