Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 8: The Allmother of Seals

(+) Yeah! (+)

Also we had a game recently with no vanillas where wasn't told.

For Death to be scum, scum would have to have decided to sacrifice Dumey on night two. The double vote as brought up doesn't matter at all.

ctesjbuvf posted...

How does Sheep/Ulti sound to you?

Viable. That's about all I can say. Sheep is definitely a concern to me. The Wall lynch makes him not sit right with me.

I don't know if this is how scum Ulti behaves, though. He's trying to do the math and figure the game out. Isn't Ulti usually lynched by now when he's scum?

Yes Sheep certainly does look a lot less benevolent and more oppurtunistic now that we can be sure its 4 scum and not 5.
Red saying it could maybe be 4 scum also adds up now that I see his flip. I wish he'd been clearer about that, but I guess either he was worried about paraphrasing too directly or affraid of being taken too literally since I have seen claims talk about anti-town before when there was only scum as anti-town. Sometimes its just a standardized phrase.

That said No I am not Independent or Anti-town in any way. And I have no idea who could be.
As far as I am concerned a Nilla claim does not absolve anyone, and both Scum and Independents could have been warned that Nillas do or do not exist this game.
So I dont know why Ulti insists upon clearing BCT and Sheep like that other than for scums convenience per chance.

I also would not trust anyone claiming independent at this stage anyway since that sounds like a plan for scum to make it easier for town to mislynch.

Honestly, given his claim, I thought Ulti was the independent survivor.
But if heis, he is good at acting like he isnt.

Also Blade probably allows doubling up on actions. Right?

Now that we know 2 scum remain we can at least say sheep didnt send in any actions night3 and 4. But the scumRB could have sent a kill and a block

I'm pleasantly surprised I didn't get murdered on the spot when day went up.

I am not third party, I'm just Vanilla. It's surely got to be four scum and a third party at this point, but I don't have a bloody clue who the third party is. Feels like both Death and BCT are Town (Death because of the ability granting, and BCT because of also being Vanilla and the roleblock, I probably lean Death as the third party, with some obtuse wincon).

It's crazy to me that there's only four scum in this game, though, especially considering Town isn't exactly weak (two vanillas, anyone?). Entering Wifom territory here, but I sure as hell wouldn't have done the whole song and dance about Wallz yesterday if I was Scum - he was probably dying anyway and I think I was in a better position to win it than basically anyone. Dominating an entire day with my wrongness is a very silly move. I am still on Ctes/Ulti as the scumteam, but after being very wrong yesterday I need to think more before making assertions.

I wish I could be certain that BCT did use my item
Then I could say for certain that the roleblocker has to be Ulti or Ctes

Then again scum could have a way around items blocking night actions anyway.

All I know for certain is that Sheep cannot be the scumRB.

.....

Unless the ScumRB has an unblockable quality, lol.

Doesnt matter either way, Sheep can still be scum.

I think making many assumptions about scum roles at this stage is brave considering the wack numbers they've got. I imagine there's gonna be some busted roles out there.

Yeah, probably need to throw out any role related meta at this point.

Sheep007 posted...

but after being very wrong yesterday I need to think more before making assertions.

I thought you told Wallz you would kill me with haste if he flipped town? That was one of the posts that sat very wrong with me because reconsidering should be the natural thing to do if you're that wrong yet it sounded like you wanted to make a plan for that case too. Reads very manipulative to me.

htaeD posted...

Now that we know 2 scum remain we can at least say sheep didnt send in any actions night3 and 4. But the scumRB could have sent a kill and a block

Wait why not night 4?

And yeah I agree remaining scum roles could be pretty busted if it's 4 and with the two flips we have had. It's hard to speculate what they can and can't.

I believe he couldn't have used the coupon night3, so he used it night4
And I know he used it since his doublevote counted.
You cant use a coupon along with another night action.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I thought you told Wallz you would kill me with haste if he flipped town? That was one of the posts that sat very wrong with me because reconsidering should be the natural thing to do if you're that wrong yet it sounded like you wanted to make a plan for that case too. Reads very manipulative to me.

Frankly, it didn't even cross my mind that four scum was a possibility, I thought that was insanely unbalanced with what we've seen so far this game (still kinda think it is - Town getting two power roles modkilled, having both investigators die instantly, only hitting one scum across four days and still being alive is crazy). That was part me being insufferable and part me being certain that you're Scum regardless.

##Vote: Ctes

I've considered it and I don't think there being one less Scum than I thought actually changes the gamestate. I fucked up with the Wallz lynch, but with Red having flipped as Town rather than what I expected after D5 (third party) I think it's unlikely I went wrong anywhere beyond the reasonable assumption that Scum wouldn't have insanely low numbers. I'm sticking with my reads - I'm sorry to Wallz and feel a lil silly for not even considering the possibility of there being four scum, but at the end of the day a weird setup doesn't change my outlook on either Death or BCT here. If I've got a blindspot and either is a third party then I'd rather they win than Scum, after all.

##Unvote

psych

That was not good for my bloodpressure, lol.

I want to talk to Ulti about something first tbh but I am happy with Ctes as Scum here in all possibilities.

During the day I maye give a coupon to a player, and they receive it at the start of the nightphase.
The player themselves chooses to use that coupon or not and, depending on the coupon, either uses it during the night or in Sheeps case it leaves a power-up that lasts until the end of the next day.

Coupons can only be used once, fizzle out after a set period and cannot be used if you also use a night action that night.
Oh and I cant just give the same player multiple coupons.

That the coupons didnt fizzle out if a player was roleblocked was news to me, but Sheep pretty much proved that he kept his.

I dont know if Scum has a power that can stop me during the day, but if they did try then I am not aware of it since I dont get any success notifications.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This game makes absolutely zero sense, none, without a third party. Someone is lying and at this point every option is on the table.

Are you inclined to think it's Death at this stage, then?

Just to clarify, I would be utterly shocked if this was scumDeath. Either I've gotten very bad at reading him or he's upped his scumgame along with getting a very strange role. Third party I can buy, but that also doesn't entirely sit right. BCT might be the more likely.

What would y'all have thought if I'd said I was third party? Because frankly, in your positions, I'd have killed me immediately. Then again, I probably would have done that at the start of the day regardless of alignment, so clearly I have some issues with restraint going on.

And to further summarize, the 3 coupons I gave were

Camera: Tracks and Watches a person at the same time. Coupon is good for 2 nights.
(Chang used this on Corrik night1 and only saw Dumey visit Corrik)
Teleporter: Busdrives yourself with another player. Coupon is good for 1 night only.
(BCT claims he used this on himself and IGCD night2 and as a result he got roleblocked?)
Duplicator: Grants a player a single doublevote that can be used on different players as well as the same one. Coupon is good for 2 nights.
(Sheep got this day3, but couldnt activate it until night4)

I also did try and use it night 3, but it was blocked.

I think my only issue, Death, is the fact that you only gave it to players who weren't looking incredibly towny. Why exactly did you pick each of those?

Sheep007 posted...

Just to clarify, I would be utterly shocked if this was scumDeath. Either I've gotten very bad at reading him or he's upped his scumgame along with getting a very strange role. Third party I can buy, but that also doesn't entirely sit right. BCT might be the more likely.

What would y'all have thought if I'd said I was third party? Because frankly, in your positions, I'd have killed me immediately. Then again, I probably would have done that at the start of the day regardless of alignment, so clearly I have some issues with restraint going on.

I wouldnt have voted you immediately, but I would definitely want to lynch you.
Though mathematically of course, at this point we cant afford to lynch the independent anyway if we want to win.

I would just assume anyone claiming third party is trying to invoke "oh but now we can't lynch the third party!"

Sheep007 posted...

I also did try and use it night 3, but it was blocked.

I think my only issue, Death, is the fact that you only gave it to players who weren't looking incredibly towny. Why exactly did you pick each of those?

I explained this before but I gave it to claimed nillas mostly because I didnt want to get in townpowers way. That way if any of the claimed nillas were scum, I could also force them to waste their night action on a coupon. (Unfortunately it seems like I never managed to find the scumRB with my coupons.)

BCT specifically I gave the busdrive because I was hoping he could take the bullet for another town if he was town himself and it might make him more invested in the game otherwise. (No offense BCT).

You I gave a coupon for the same blockscumaction reasoning, and also I didnt expect day4 to end before I could force you to use that doublevote.

Did you not trust Red by the end of D3? He said he had no more shots, I thought he would have been a prime target to give a doublevote to.

At least Sheep is reading me, Ulti.

And I did try and use the doublevote D4 as proof I was blocked! Although Isquen himself confirmed he blocked me so I suppose that was unecessary. As you said, confirms that I couldn't be roleblocker unless I'm like, motion detector unblockable roleblocker. Which sounds sick and not entirely implausible in this game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I also want everyone to re-claim with their flavor. Thanks.

Vanillish, Vanilla

Sheep007 posted...

Did you not trust Red by the end of D3? He said he had no more shots, I thought he would have been a prime target to give a doublevote to.

Not fully, though I did consider it.
I couldnt be sure yet if he was SK or not at that time, nor did we know yet that Lea had nothing to do with Sbells death.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You have no more coupons left?

None whatsoever.

Pineapple Vendor, Town Coupon Dealer

I'm inclined to believe there's indeed no more coupons regardless of alignment. If Death's Scum or indy then there's gotta be incentive for giving them out and he wouldn't just stop, while if he's Town, obviously he would have given some more.

To be fair even if I had more, I would have lost the chance to use one day4 lol.

I hate that a four player scumteam makes Ctes role seem more plausible. Although he would have known that we'd learn that eventually when he claimed it, so I'm hesitant to say that's a town point for him.

I will be honest I kinda forgot what BCTs role even is
(at least I remembered who Andy is this time)

Ctes' role
Not BCT/Andy