Current Events > House Speaker vote topic III

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Emmer seems at least not the literal worst so there's that I guess?

Have they even managed to settle on someone who will satisfy both the magas and the slightly less deranged run of the mill goper?

Kai_Laguna posted...

Have they even managed to settle on someone who will satisfy both the magas and the slightly less deranged run of the mill goper?

Probably not.

ironman2009 posted...

We voting today chaps?

The full GOP conference will hear from all nine members on Monday night for a candidate forum. And all will be under intense pressure to present a pitch that can bring together an exasperated House GOP that is rife with division. Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.) nodded to the greater conference dynamics in a Sunday letter announcing his bid.

Throughout my life, I have been a fervent proponent for teamwork and the greater good over individual gain, Meuser said.

Republicans will then vote behind closed doors on Tuesday morning, where they are expected to slowly whittle down the nine candidates through multiple rounds of voting to two final choices. Whoever ultimately wins a majority in that final round will become the conferences third speaker-designee since McCarthy was ousted earlier this month.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/22/gop-speaker-chaos-republicans-battle-00122918

ironman2009 posted...

We voting today chaps?

Seems not, least far as I can tell.

if they still have to use that list for now, I hope the content is known to some trustworthy people.

DarthAragorn posted...

Emmer seems at least not the literal worst so there's that I guess?

Emmer replaced Michele Bachmann in Minnesotas 6th district. Bachmann chose not to run in 2014 because she was so fucking insane she likely was not going to survive another election.

Had she stayed on and still won, she would probably still be in Congress because Trump came around and normalized her brand of lunacy.

Kai_Laguna posted...

Have they even managed to settle on someone who will satisfy both the magas and the slightly less deranged run of the mill goper?

Not even close.

Kai_Laguna posted...

Have they even managed to settle on someone who will satisfy both the magas and the slightly less deranged run of the mill goper?

I don't know if such a person exists.

Republicans will then vote behind closed doors on Tuesday morning, where they are expected to slowly whittle down the nine candidates through multiple rounds of voting to two final choices. Whoever ultimately wins a majority in that final round will become the conferences third speaker-designee since McCarthy was ousted earlier this month.

Just the way this is being structured lends itself to failure.

It's not gonna be any different from how Scalise and Jordan were the final two, Republicans picked Scalise, Jordan supporters refused to vote for him, then Republicans picked Jordan, and he was sabotaged by holdouts in revenge.

The precedent is set that the institutionalist wing of the GOP and the MAGA wing won't vote for each other's candidates. There's too much bad blood.

Inohira posted...

Just the way this is being structured lends itself to failure.

It's not gonna be any different from how Scalise and Jordan were the final two, Republicans picked Scalise, Jordan supporters refused to vote for him, then Republicans picked Jordan, and he was sabotaged by holdouts in revenge.

The precedent is set that the institutionalist wing of the GOP and the MAGA wing won't vote for each other's candidates. There's too much bad blood.

Well, all they need is a compromise candidate and five Republicans.

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1716479510487425136

Really...

Five Republicans willing to sacrifice their careers and put their families in danger from Jan6 whackjobs when they're accused of "treason" by the crazy 8 caucus.

Inohira posted...

Just the way this is being structured lends itself to failure.

It's not gonna be any different from how Scalise and Jordan were the final two, Republicans picked Scalise, Jordan supporters refused to vote for him, then Republicans picked Jordan, and he was sabotaged by holdouts in revenge.

The precedent is set that the institutionalist wing of the GOP and the MAGA wing won't vote for each other's candidates. There's too much bad blood.

Several Republicans are saying they're against granting additional powers to the speaker pro tem (including the speaker pro tem) and I kinda get why because that takes the urgency away from electing a speaker and the Republican infighting could just keep going until Democrats have the majority in the House again.

But it seems like that's what's going to happen anyway. If it does, if they can't decide on a speaker, they're running up against a deadline to avert a shutdown in 25 days. If there's still no speaker and Republicans won't empower the speaker pro tem to get a spending bill through then the narrative is going to be that Republicans shut the government down because they were too mired in their own internal power struggle to actually govern as the majority party in the House.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1716479510487425136

Really...

He used to own 18 McDonalds. So he's trying to be cute.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

He used to own 18 McDonalds. So he's trying to be cute.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

used to own

"Your burgers have no power here."

He'd definitely have Trump's vote!

UnsteadyOwl posted...

the narrative is going to be that Republicans shut the government down because they were too mired in their own internal power struggle to actually govern as the majority party in the House.

You underestimate the ability of the MAGA wing in particular to blame the Democrats and have their base lap it up

littlebro07 posted...

"Your burgers have no power here."

We answer to a higher authority.

teep_ posted...

You underestimate the ability of the MAGA wing in particular to blame the Democrats and have their base lap it up

Their base doesn't matter at this point. We outnumber them.

teep_ posted...

You underestimate the ability of the MAGA wing in particular to blame the Democrats and have their base lap it up

The base is going to believe what Fox/Newsmax/OAN tells them either way. If a shutdown happens, everybody else will be able to see it's a result of Republican dysfunction which is not great for Republican Reps who aren't in safe districts.

Takuya_Lee posted...

Their base doesn't matter at this point. We outnumber them.

Problem is, if enough of us go out to vote and can keep it up until all of the maga idiots are gone.

So how are your idiots in power doing now? Do they have someone to tell them how to tie their shoes yet?

I think they'll find a speaker. Jake tapper calling them a circus to one of the republicans faces will definitely sober some up. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks for them.

ClayGuida posted...

I think they'll find a speaker. Jake tapper calling them a circus to one of the republicans faces will definitely sober some up. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks for them.

I really don't know. If you told me ten years ago this middle school bullshit would be happening in congress on the daily I wouldn't believe it. I think the time crunch will force their hand but how they get to the full vote count when they have the hardline MAGA cultists in there is going to be slow and difficult.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Several Republicans are saying they're against granting additional powers to the speaker pro tem (including the speaker pro tem) and I kinda get why because that takes the urgency away from electing a speaker and the Republican infighting could just keep going until Democrats have the majority in the House again.

But it seems like that's what's going to happen anyway. If it does, if they can't decide on a speaker, they're running up against a deadline to avert a shutdown in 25 days. If there's still no speaker and Republicans won't empower the speaker pro tem to get a spending bill through then the narrative is going to be that Republicans shut the government down because they were too mired in their own internal power struggle to actually govern as the majority party in the House.

They will still blame the Dems for ousting McCarthy, cause it is there fault apparently

ClayGuida posted...

I think they'll find a speaker. Jake tapper calling them a circus to one of the republicans faces will definitely sober some up. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks for them.

Already looks pretty bad. Guess we'll have to find out the caucus' tolerance for shame. It's a complete shitshow now.

Were_Wyrm posted...

I don't know if such a person exists.

Such a person doesn't exist. So either one side will give in or the party splits.

brestugo posted...

Already looks pretty bad. Guess we'll have to find out the caucus' tolerance for shame. It's a complete shitshow now.

if republicans could feel shame, they wouldn't be republicans.

I just honestly don't get where the moderates who protest voted think this is going to go.

MAGA doesn't actually care if the government shuts down. Many of them voted for it to. The threat of a shut down isn't gonna make them cave.

Do they think Dems are gonna cave instead? Are they delusional? lol

brestugo posted...

Guess we'll have to find out the caucus' tolerance for shame. It's a complete shitshow now.

Now?

This was expected results when they forced their little one vote rule and Gaetz opened his Butthead looking face hole.

I really don't know why I thought this would be the opportunity for house republicans to wrestle Trump's control away. They're all still trying to appease Trump.

CableZL posted...

I really don't know why I thought this would be the opportunity for house republicans to wrestle Trump's control away. They're all still trying to appease Trump.

Trump's the name of the game right now, even if that name comes with significant political costs.

I suspect that will change after this upcoming general election, but really, time will tell.

CableZL posted...

I really don't know why I thought this would be the opportunity for house republicans to wrestle Trump's control away. They're all still trying to appease Trump.

They could just rip the Band Aid off and maybe make a run at 2024. The election is still over a year away (just a bit). Instead, they seem to want to try to save a sinking ship.

I think they know a lot of the die hard Trump cultists will just not bother voting if they go with another candidate, so they dont want to risk it until they know for sure that hes out

CableZL posted...

I really don't know why I thought this would be the opportunity for house republicans to wrestle Trump's control away. They're all still trying to appease Trump.

They stuck with the two-time popular vote loser after he tried to get most of them killed.

I have literally no idea what it'll take for either the true believer cultists or the coward enablers going along for the ride to break from him, but it'll have to be something horrifically bad.

thronedfire2 posted...

I think they know a lot of the die hard Trump cultists will just not bother voting if they go with another candidate, so they dont want to risk it until they know for sure that hes out

You're probably right.

I think some of those people might be done with electoral politics for good after Trump is gone. They'll be no less political, just not as interested in making their point at the ballot box. Which could be another problem.

brestugo posted...

They could just rip the Band Aid off and maybe make a run at 2024. The election is still over a year away (just a bit). Instead, they seem to want to try to save a sinking ship.

If they drop Trump they more than likely lose 2024

But like you said, it's pulling off a band aid. They can probably recover in time for 2028 (unlikely but possible) but if they stick with this Trump stuff they'll more than likely keep losing.

The issue is I don't think they quite grasp how much the left/moderates hate him. As long as Trump and people like him are on the ballot Democrats would drag their dicks through a mile of broken glass just to vote against them.
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Tom Emmer kept telling Republicans last year to drop Trump or it would kill them in the midterms. They didn't listen, didn't get the red wave they wanted, and now are actually blaming him for it.

King_Rial posted...

Tom Emmer kept telling Republicans last year to drop Trump or it would kill them in the midterms. They didn't listen, didn't get the red wave they wanted, and now are actually blaming him for it.

As is tradition, Republicans love killing the messenger, even after the messenger is proven correct.

They did it to Obama.

King_Rial posted...

Tom Emmer kept telling Republicans last year to drop Trump or it would kill them in the midterms. They didn't listen, didn't get the red wave they wanted, and now are actually blaming him for it.

Party of Personal Accountability.

They don't work Mondays? Haven't seen any votes today.

MatzoTov posted...

They don't work Mondays? Haven't seen any votes today.

They're still having internal meetings where the people who are up for speaker nomination are campaigning.

CableZL posted...

They're still having internal meetings where the people who are up for speaker nomination are campaigning.

Ah, got it. Would hate for them to be doing any actual governing.

Once again, why are we paying these fuckers?

I propose a new rule: Every day, at least one Speaker vote is mandatory. Each day no new Speaker is elected, anyone that didn't vote for the candidate that won the most votes loses their pay.

And yes, I tailored the conditions to single out the Republicans while still keeping the text of the rule generic enough for plausible deniability.

streamofthesky posted...

Once again, why are we paying these fuckers?

I propose a new rule: Every day, at least one Speaker vote is mandatory. Each day no new Speaker is elected, anyone that didn't vote for the candidate that won the most votes loses their pay.

And yes, I tailored the conditions to single out the Republicans while still keeping the text of the rule generic enough for plausible deniability.

Do people really not understand that a rule like this would change nothing? Very few of the reps are living paycheck to paycheck or even care that much about the ~170k salary, and any that did become financially troubled by this would immediately find themselves with dozens of lobbyists offering to help them out. Compensation and Lobbying need to be reworked from the ground up (and should be) before anything like this would remotely effect anything.

Pretty sure that would require passing a new law, which they can't do right now anyway.

Jordan_AS posted...

Pretty sure that would require passing a new law, which they can't do right now anyway.

Its Congress. If enough people go along with something its legal.