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FlyEaglesFly24
02/20/24 6:26:47 PM
#301:


DrizztLink posted...
So which genocide are you okay with us comparing this genocide to?

Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?


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Starks
02/20/24 6:29:14 PM
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Because people go out of their way to document and study such atrocities.

Every time the IDF celebrates a university being blown up, it needs to be documented.

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DrizztLink
02/20/24 6:30:03 PM
#303:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?
Almost there, but the word you're looking for is "genocide."

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Hornezz
02/20/24 6:30:59 PM
#304:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?

Post 71 in this topic:

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
What happened on October 7th was a mass murder event comparable to what the Nazis did.

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ScazarMeltex
02/20/24 6:32:34 PM
#305:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?
The reason people always make comparisons to anything. It helps to place in them context with things we already know and understand.

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MarcyWarcy
02/20/24 6:37:43 PM
#306:


netanyahu is hitler 2

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DnDer
02/20/24 7:02:49 PM
#307:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Its not the same. Comparable, but its not the same.

You're right. The nazis weren't doing their extermination in the name of establishing a theocratic ethnostate.

It's much more analogous, in the broad strokes, to something like the Trail of Tears, where the American colonialists and settlers violently ousted the indigenous people from their land and forcibly drove them into progressively smaller and more isolated reservations while systematically brutalizing, raping, and murdering as many as they could get away with, in a slow-rolling ethnic cleansing and outright genocide. And somehow doing more of it when they got the indigenous people to the reservations.

And they did it all in the name of a God, they said, who told them that they had the right to remove those "savages" and "vermin" from the land in order to access its natural, exploitable wealth as their destiny.

That feels much more apt than a nazi comparison.

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Trumble
02/20/24 7:10:07 PM
#308:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?
I'd be very interested to hear why you think such comparisons are necessary for Oct 7th but not necessary for the Palestinian genocide.

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IceCreamOnStero
02/20/24 7:22:44 PM
#309:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?
Odd, because you seem reslly insistent on pointing to October 7th whenever atrocities by the IDF are criticised.

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02/20/24 7:33:46 PM
#310:


MarcyWarcy posted...
netanyahu is hitler 2


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LaLeyenda
02/20/24 7:34:56 PM
#311:


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-19/us-warns-against-rafah-assault-and-calls-for-ceasefire-in-draft-un-text
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-proposes-un-resolution-supporting-temporary-ceasefire-gaza-2024-02-19/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/20/us-vetoes-un-resolution-ceasefire-israel-gaza

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02/20/24 7:37:09 PM
#312:


broke: Not supporting an ongoing genocide
woke: pretending to care about stopping the ongoing genocide while supporting it with every lever of government power they can pull

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cjsdowg
02/20/24 8:56:03 PM
#313:


American Ambassador said they are looking for a Final Solution

https://twitter.com/BertaAdvantage/status/1760024501969154299

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02/20/24 9:24:01 PM
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LaLeyenda
02/20/24 9:45:27 PM
#315:


cjsdowg posted...
American Ambassador said they are looking for a Final Solution

https://twitter.com/BertaAdvantage/status/1760024501969154299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oyGK23ohE

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Scardude
02/20/24 9:55:05 PM
#316:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Im saying, what is this need to compare one atrocity to another? In what way is that even remotely helpful?
When comparing wars. It's important to allow the study of historical similarities between each one. Someone above compared it to native Americans which I'm not in agreement with. Oct 7th is an important event to consider it too dissimilar at least from the start. If anything, I'll compare it to the genocide of the Pakistan on Bangladesh. Here we have Muslims squashing any rights and any notion of an independent state. They too were horrible as the IDF today. The difference is that less people know about it and it was not televised.

If history is to show. If the reverse in power were true. I don't see hamas doing any different than what IDF does today. History shows that this will happen. The victims will always be the ones on the losing or weaker side to wars.

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Ricemills
02/20/24 10:01:26 PM
#317:


So eagle's issue is not that the issue that an actual genocide is happening in Palestine, but that it's called one.
That's not even shitposting anymore but outright evil.

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cjsdowg
02/20/24 10:02:47 PM
#318:


Now a Republican outright states we should kill them all.

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1760129439671726106

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Necronmon
02/20/24 10:07:14 PM
#319:


Yah...stuff like that is that pepole have to realize that if Trump gets back into power it does seem like its not to out there for him to just go on a nuke crusade on all of the middle east if he could get away with it...most of the GOP just wants a total genocide of Islam at this point...with stuff like that above tweet its hard to see it any other way.
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Scardude
02/20/24 10:16:16 PM
#320:


Ricemills posted...
So eagle's issue is not that the issue that an actual genocide is happening in Palestine, but that it's called one.
That's not even shitposting anymore but outright evil.
He is on the victim side of it though. Or being harassed for being Jewish. I do understand. I know plenty of Muslims who hated Israel before they were doing this blanently. To demonize them, they call them zionist and actively believe Isreal shouldn't be a state. This is the people they are up against in this war. To call out idf is to go against their own. They can't side with either one and that leaves them with no community. It isolates them. At the end of the day, people will choose willful blindness.

If anyone has issues with the first half. Please read about who they are fighting and why it's more a common belief among Muslims. I don't support anyone's view and these are not my view. Putting this disclaimer here. I am only a mouse piece on the views I know first hand about but do not share.

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FlyEaglesFly24
02/20/24 10:28:55 PM
#321:


cjsdowg posted...
American Ambassador said they are looking for a Final Solution

https://twitter.com/BertaAdvantage/status/1760024501969154299
https://youtu.be/pOdFOA9MgS4?si=ZXKB5v327aeRcxIy


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DnDer
02/20/24 10:44:07 PM
#322:


cjsdowg posted...
Now a Republican outright states we should kill them all.

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1760129439671726106

He's up for re-election this year, and is already getting primaried (probably not for this reason, but I bet he didn't think this would hurt his chances).

https://ballotpedia.org/Tennessee%27s_5th_Congressional_District

TN needs to put this guy on blast as the first and best reason to not vote Republicans: they're the party of open genocide.

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Vyrulisse
02/20/24 10:45:59 PM
#323:


The naked hatred a lot of politicians in this country (who are basically mouthpieces for Israel) have for the Palestinians has truly been eye opening to me personally. It was always there but they at least pretended to care about the civilians. I fully believe the IDF intends to wipe them out.

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Ya_dun_goofed
02/20/24 10:57:58 PM
#324:


and in other news, the US cant tell its toddler no.

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Ricemills
02/20/24 11:05:21 PM
#325:


Scardude posted...
He is on the victim side of it though. Or being harassed for being Jewish. I do understand. I know plenty of Muslims who hated Israel before they were doing this blanently. To demonize them, they call them zionist and actively believe Isreal shouldn't be a state. This is the people they are up against in this war. To call out idf is to go against their own. They can't side with either one and that leaves them with no community. It isolates them. At the end of the day, people will choose willful blindness.

If anyone has issues with the first half. Please read about who they are fighting and why it's more a common belief among Muslims. I don't support anyone's view and these are not my view. Putting this disclaimer here. I am only a mouse piece on the views I know first hand about but do not share.

Spare me that bull shit. Genocide apologist is a victim now? And fuck off with your whataboutism. How is Zionist is an insult when Israel themselves called them one? Eveb fucking Biden proudly call himself a Zionist.

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Kradek
02/20/24 11:06:18 PM
#326:


Scardude posted...
He is on the victim side of it though. Or being harassed for being Jewish. I do understand. I know plenty of Muslims who hated Israel before they were doing this blanently. To demonize them, they call them zionist and actively believe Isreal shouldn't be a state. This is the people they are up against in this war. To call out idf is to go against their own. They can't side with either one and that leaves them with no community. It isolates them. At the end of the day, people will choose willful blindness.

If anyone has issues with the first half. Please read about who they are fighting and why it's more a common belief among Muslims. I don't support anyone's view and these are not my view. Putting this disclaimer here. I am only a mouse piece on the views I know first hand about but do not share.

This is a lot of words just to essentially say "supporting genocide makes sense when it's being done against people who don't like you"

No, Eagles is not justified in shilling for the Israeli government, their IDF, and their atrocities, no matter how much you/he thinks him being Jewish means he's personally suffering in Israel from a Hamas attack when he's here in the U.S.

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Scardude
02/21/24 12:03:03 AM
#327:


Ricemills posted...
Spare me that bull shit. Genocide apologist is a victim now? And fuck off with your whataboutism. How is Zionist is an insult when Israel themselves called them one? Eveb fucking Biden proudly call himself a Zionist.
The point is to understand without judgement. You don't need to agree to his view. I certainly don't. I can take a bit of time to understand him though. Many put their head down for the sake of protecting themselves. He's not going out of his way to join the conflict. He's not radicalized. He's lost. Try to find the human in who you speak to.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 12:04:26 AM
#328:


Scardude posted...
The point is to understand without judgement. You don't need to agree to his view. I certainly don't. I can take a bit of time to understand him though. Many put their head down for the sake of protecting themselves. He's not going out of his way to join the conflict. He's not radicalized. He's lost. Try to find the human in who you speak to.

Or you know, i disagree with him because i understand that he's a genocide apologist?

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Aloc
02/21/24 12:08:44 AM
#329:


Scardude posted...
Try to find the human in who you speak to.
Does he view Palestinians as humans?

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DnDer
02/21/24 12:40:00 AM
#330:


Scardude posted...
Try to find the human in who you speak to.

I think people tried that like 8 or 9 threads ago.

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Scardude
02/21/24 2:09:04 AM
#331:


DnDer posted...
I think people tried that like 8 or 9 threads ago.
Wouldn't know. His messages more or less seems like he's screaming into a void. Or a hill no one should stand on. Either way, I'm more of an observer. Human history has bloodshed in every era. Even a pacifist like me can't deny that some people just want war.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 2:11:14 AM
#332:


"I'm neutral and just an observer, but i will defend this side to death,"

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Scardude
02/21/24 2:15:48 AM
#333:


Ricemills posted...
"I'm neutral and just an observer, but i will defend this side to death,"
Should I read your posts the way you read mine? Misinformed? If you think I'm defending him. I'm not. I only agree that he is in a position that no one can win. If he actually decides to go join the war. That's a different story. Some people are okay to be on their island away from everyone else.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 2:17:42 AM
#334:


Who're you trying to kid?
You're playing a devil's advocate and deny not defending him.

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Scardude
02/21/24 2:23:41 AM
#335:


Ricemills posted...
Who're you trying to kid?
You're playing a devil's advocate and deny not defending him.
Sigh. Nice try. In this topic alone I've shown both arguments. Not one. So I've not come to anyone's defence the way you see it. It's called a critical analysis. Break down? Anyway. It's late. You probably want to provoke something. You do that. I'll sleep.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 2:27:16 AM
#336:


bOtH ArgUMeNt, and yet keep trying to say "please understand him, he's a victim".
Lmao.

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Covenant
02/21/24 2:52:10 AM
#337:


Scardude posted...
He is on the victim side of it though. Or being harassed for being Jewish.
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Scardude
02/21/24 8:42:29 AM
#338:


Covenant posted...
Yeah, the guy who got moderated several times for racist hate speech including a detailed fantasy of rounding up every Arab and Muslim in the world then starving them until they "learn to stop being extremists" is totally the victim here.
Can you quote him when you say this and not paraphrase. I only meant in real life and not in this board. There have been protesters that are bothering Jewish people too far from the conflict. So my statement was with the thought of real life. Again. I read his big speil but that's not what came out of that.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 8:52:45 AM
#339:


You know what's else happening in real life? Murders of thousands innocent Palestinians and chasing the away from their homes. But you obviously doesn't care about that and opted to defend IDF troll.

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Scardude
02/21/24 9:00:21 AM
#340:


Ricemills posted...
You know what's else happening in real life? Murders of thousands innocent Palestinians and chasing the away from their homes. But you obviously doesn't care about that and opted to defend IDF troll.
Right? The pacifist wants murder. Thanks for your input. No, I don't approve of the war. This is an excuse for weapon manufactoring to make money on people suffering. The cost is always human life for the sake of profit. Thanks for asking my opinion. American manufacturers will not let the US stop the war. Have a look at your country and how they veto things.

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Aloc
02/21/24 9:02:55 AM
#341:


Scardude posted...
Even a pacifist like me can't deny that some people just want war.
Yeah like FlyEaglesFly24

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Ricemills
02/21/24 9:03:14 AM
#342:


Scardude posted...
Right? The pacifist wants murder. Thanks for your input. No, I don't approve of the war. This is an excuse for weapon manufactoring to make money on people suffering. The cost is always human life for the sake of profit. Thanks for asking my opinion. American manufacturers will not let the US stop the war. Have a look at your country and how they veto things.

No redirections, we're talking about someone that you defend while that person is the guy that supported those murders. In turn you are supporting it too.

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Scardude
02/21/24 9:08:24 AM
#343:


Ricemills posted...
No redirections, we're talking about someone that you defend while that person is the guy that supported those murders. In turn you are supporting it too.
Okay. How about you point out what you think my defence on him is? I can point out that I said he's going to die on a hill alone. That he's venting to a void. That this will be isolating for him. I also pointed out that he is not the extreme that he went and joined the war. If I was his lawyer. I did a horrible job at making anything he said to his defence. I only pointed out what to learn and people said they tried. So I was content there before this started.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 9:10:46 AM
#344:


Scardude posted...
Okay. How about you point out what you think my defence on him is? I can point out that I said he's going to die on a hill alone. That he's venting to a void. That this will be isolating for him. I also pointed out that he is not the extreme that he went and joined the war. If I was his lawyer. I did a horrible job at making anything he said to his defence. I only pointed out what to learn and people said they tried. So I was content there before this started.

Are we now pretending to act like you didn't say that he's a victim and we must excuse what he said?

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Scardude
02/21/24 9:15:32 AM
#345:


Ricemills posted...
Are we now pretending to act like you didn't say that he's a victim and we must excuse what he said?
I didn't ask anyone to excuse him. There is your mistake. I said he is a victim sure. But the same way Jewish not in Israel are facing backlash for a war too far for them to have influence on. There are many articles on this. I'm categorizing where he fits on the spectrum. His views, I don't agree with but I don't have to live in his shoes.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 9:24:29 AM
#346:


Scardude posted...
I didn't ask anyone to excuse him. There is your mistake. I said he is a victim sure. But the same way Jewish not in Israel are facing backlash for a war too far for them to have influence on. There are many articles on this. I'm categorizing where he fits on the spectrum. His views, I don't agree with but I don't have to live in his shoes.

And here we go again, "I'm not defending him but can't you guys be nice to him?"
Is it not enough for that we said many times that we don't play nice to a genocide apologist?
Why are you keep trying to make him a victim when all he did was excusing the atrocities done by IDF? More like you're supporting his view but afraid to admit it.

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Aloc
02/21/24 9:26:54 AM
#347:


Scardude is a pacifist unless it comes to the Palestinians. They've been dehumanized so much

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02/21/24 9:36:57 AM
#348:


Ricemills posted...
And here we go again, "I'm not defending him but can't you guys be nice to him?"
Is it not enough for that we said many times that we don't play nice to a genocide apologist?
Why are you keep trying to make him a victim when all he did was excusing the atrocities done by IDF? More like you're supporting his view but afraid to admit it.
Wait. When I gave you my view. You said I was deflecting. Now you go back to saying I support his view. Am I deflecting or do you not accept that I put him in a corner of island where he can't be heard. I am not an apologist for his views.

If you want my view. Explain why the US stands to make profit on genocide.
Here's a list of companies that profit from the war.
https://afsc.org/companies-2023-attack-gaza


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02/21/24 9:46:28 AM
#349:


Scardude posted...
He is on the victim side of it though. Or being harassed for being Jewish. I do understand. I know plenty of Muslims who hated Israel before they were doing this blanently. To demonize them, they call them zionist and actively believe Isreal shouldn't be a state. This is the people they are up against in this war. To call out idf is to go against their own. They can't side with either one and that leaves them with no community. It isolates them. At the end of the day, people will choose willful blindness.

If anyone has issues with the first half. Please read about who they are fighting and why it's more a common belief among Muslims. I don't support anyone's view and these are not my view. Putting this disclaimer here. I am only a mouse piece on the views I know first hand about but do not share.

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Ricemills
02/21/24 9:49:48 AM
#350:


Scardude posted...
Wait. When I gave you my view. You said I was deflecting. Now you go back to saying I support his view. Am I deflecting or do you not accept that I put him in a corner of island where he can't be heard. I am not an apologist for his views.

If you want my view. Explain why the US stands to make profit on genocide.
Here's a list of companies that profit from the war.
https://afsc.org/companies-2023-attack-gaza

You're still deflecting.
You already give us your view that genocide apologist should be tolerated, that is enough to see your stance on this issue.

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