Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 10: Can Love Bloom on a Battlefield?

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EDumey posted...

probably a scum post, coming in and justifying your existence before anyone even pointed a finger at you.

And also this has nothing to do with alignment, I'm talking about people complaining about my time zone specifically, which has nothing to do with my play this game

MZero posted...

I woke up like 20 minutes before deadline

So if you are here before eod how is your time zone an issue exactly?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So if you are here before eod how is your time zone an issue exactly?

Because I usually miss it, yesterday was the only time I made it

EDumey posted...

Isquen, can I ask you what your thought process was at end of day yesterday? Just like, what state did you think the game was in when you sent in the breakup request, and what were you hoping to accomplish?

I was hoping that I could die in his place, since if you read between the lines of overt lunacy you'd realize that he actually had some good reads the whole way through and it's all that was keeping me from leading a witch burning all my own.

SirChris posted...

Fd didn't go anywhere.

I can confirm I was slept with. So now we have scanned innocent and 2x independent verification that chris is prosty.

Kirby321 posted...

Anyway, Ulti, you're not getting an early pair-up today. And neither are Sultan, Isquen, and MZero.

I agree with this 100%, but just the same no one should jump into bed with you. I feel even better about you after EoD3 than I did after EoD1, but I believe it was dumey who mentioned that scum will be incentivized to pair up on 9 players since it will give them safety and keep them on track to put us in mylo on 7 players if they can avoid pairing that day.

For that reason we should be very careful and deliberate about forming pairs today and no one should be allowed to rush into anything without it being incredibly sus.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh it wasnt a lack of trust thing. I am a very very very busy guy.

Youre third in the PoE fwiw. I think its FD + Justin. Justin I covered, but FD is pinging me because hes been entirely too nice to me this game. Town FD would have tried to full murder me ages ago I feel.

And this? This is just wrong and either a complete fabrication or another example of ulti not reading a single freaking post. Did you read ANY of my posts from yesterday? Because I spent the ENTIRE day saying I wanted to lynch either you or MZero and I saying how I was unhappy that you and MZero weren't available. At first it was because you were dating each other, and then later because you were dating Isquen and Sultan the two OTHER people I wanted to lynch when you and MZero weren't available. I even specifically singled YOU out as looking the worst from my analysis of 3 days of dating actions. So yeah, I DO want you to be lynched because I DO think you are scum which is PRECISELY what I was saying yesterday.

MZero you have contributed to the game. But you also are heavy in the PoE because of not really having anything to set you apart. And EVERY day this format has pushed us into situations where town players are putting themselves on the line and trying to react to how the final pairings actually ended up. It's just an unfortunate byproduct of this format. You're always going to have ire against you for limiting what kind of moves we can do at end of day.

Best we can do is try to prevent scum from pairing early and make sure the people worth lynching are actually in the pool at the end.

Isquen posted...

I was hoping that I could die in his place, since if you read between the lines of overt lunacy you'd realize that he actually had some good reads the whole way through and it's all that was keeping me from leading a witch burning all my own.

You tried to break up and said, "Get Dumey" then changed to "shun Dumey." You didn't send in another date because you wanted to die in "his" (Lopen?) place, but then was the "shun Dumey" about coming in to the day today?

I'm still in the "you need to go" category and it's truly unfortunate I have no means of making that happen.

But go ahead and try and badmouth me when I have a dead, confirmed town that vouched for me repeatedly.

Dumey Ulti Sultan Kirby. Therein lies our remaining duo.

Hmm. I was kind of hoping you would say you were trying to triple kill me and JC. lol. I would have bought you as 100% town if that were the case. Now I'm not so certain. It's such a weird interaction to gauge because MZero ACTUALLY WAS THERE as opposed to when Sultan did his toothless breakup D1.

Isquen posted...

But go ahead and try and badmouth me when I have a dead, confirmed town that vouched for me repeatedly.

Dumey Ulti Sultan Kirby. Therein lies our remaining duo.

lol you can ask JC, I was actually trying to rationalize clearing you as town so that our PoE was easier. Wasn't badmouthing you.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ive been vouching for you the entire game.

YOU aren't confirmed town via being dead.

EDumey posted...

MZero you have contributed to the game. But you also are heavy in the PoE because of not really having anything to set you apart. And EVERY day this format has pushed us into situations where town players are putting themselves on the line and trying to react to how the final pairings actually ended up. It's just an unfortunate byproduct of this format. You're always going to have ire against you for limiting what kind of moves we can do at end of day.

Best we can do is try to prevent scum from pairing early and make sure the people worth lynching are actually in the pool at the end.

Again, Ulti, Chris, and Sultan have never been on the table at the end of day either and they don't have the time zone excuse.

I'm not saying I shouldn't be in the PoE, but making a big stink about how my time zone is ruining the game or whatever is what annoyed me

UltimaterializerX posted...

Chris and Sultan dated, right?

Just in case you're not clear on this, the dating restrictions are only for back to back nights. Chris and Sultan dated D2, so they could date again today if they really wanted to. JC and I dated D1 and D3.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I remember this.

Whos down to let me blow up Sultan and Chris today? Ill channel Lopen and do what he wanted to do two days ago.

Okay yeah let's just kill Ulti.. multi Kills at this stage in the game with a conformed town Chris is a terrible idea.

And lopen would want it to be like you Kirby and me or something.

Forceful_Dragon posted... (T7P347)

We discussed the possibility of who might have been a scum/scum pair from day 2 and my bet was on Ulti/Dumey

My very first post of day 3. Granted it was more Ulti and Dumey that led to this feeling and Dumey (as well as Kirby) look pretty good based upon the EoD, but it was the first of many expresses of doubt towards Ulti being town.

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P45)

Not to immediately go back on my 'less quoting pledge', but this is the exact opposite of my reaction. I told MZero last night but this is exactly why I felt like Dumey and Ulti would have been the scum/scum pairing last night if there was one. It gives Ulti the credit of claiming he's willing to be sacrificed and giving the power to sacrifice him to another, and gives Dumey the credit of constantly looking willing to consider pressing the button, but ultimately deciding it wasn't worth it.

That feels like the optimal way for scum/scum to form a date and try to minimize sus. But if not them then I'd say we just had two town/scum pairs of which they still could have been one of.

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P56)

so for the moment that leaves MZero and Ulti for my preferred "lynch" today.

This was part of a marge larger posts of my town reads roughly in order of strength ending with Sultan, Isquen, MZero and Ulti. Sultan was being vouched for by Chris (who is now confirmed prosty) and Isquen was being vouched for by Lopen. So this is where I landed LESS THAN 8 HOURS into day 3.

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P149)

I wouldn't say "mortally convinced", but lynch ulti and prosty Dumey is a nice compromise. No triple kills

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P179)

I'm not crazy about Ulti and MZero protecting each other, they both coasted with early dates day 1 and are square in my poe today.

Obviously if neither will budge there's nothing I can do about it. Failing their date breaking up, I would be open to testing Sultan.

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P301)

I don't think that IS a rabbit hole though? We're talking about a playstyle change that occurred after day 1. It's entirely possible and maybe even probable that the remaining scum would have to dramatically change things up and make a big risk for a big potential payout.

The context of this post is me explaining why I DO think it makes sense for scum Ulti to give dumey the power to control his life at the end of day 2. It displays a willingness to be put onto the chopping block without actually be on the chopping block and is the kind of high risk play scum might feel is necessary when they are already behind.

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Forceful_Dragon posted... (T8P314)

Currently the entire case against seems to be because Lopen claimed Gambler and Isquen didn't completely fall apart.

I said earlier that was probably good enough to look elsewhere today, but if my preferred choices aren't available (Ulti and MZero are still paired with each other) then my next choices would be Sultan or Isquen.

And here's another one!

And now i have to end this post because I'm already at the 7 quote block limit, but trust me, there's MORE.

I still think BOTH scum can be found in: Ulti, Mzero, Sultan, Isquen and the only reason all 4 are alive today is because they all dated each other.

FD I think you're on the exact same page as JC and I were last night.

Ultis town pandering is a scum play

though you have a little more ulti vision than us lol

EDumey posted...

Hmm. I was kind of hoping you would say you were trying to triple kill me and JC. lol. I would have bought you as 100% town if that were the case. Now I'm not so certain. It's such a weird interaction to gauge because MZero ACTUALLY WAS THERE as opposed to when Sultan did his toothless breakup D1.

Oh are we talking about Isquen's ##BreakupRequest with less than 90 seconds left in the day? I got distracted by the blatant misinformation Ulti was propagating.

I absolutely view that breakup request from Isquen as pointless posturing since there didn't seem to be any chance MZero would come through with a breakup confirmation and try to set up new pairs in the final minute and a half.

Some kind of partner setup would be Chris-JC, Dumey-Kirby, Isquen-FD. I don't see Isquen pairing with either you or me, so it would have to be Chris or FD. Or we snatch up Ulti and leave Isquen in the pile.

I really think if we want to impact the game, we need to get people paired early and force the action.

This was some of my theory planning last night. This would leave Ulti/Sultan/MZero as a final 3. Kirby and I have shown we're both more than willing to breakup late to influence things late. Could swap Isquen and JC if FD thinks that's a more versatile pair.

Sultan, nuts on the table you have to choose Ulti or MZero to date, who do you go for?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Oh are we talking about Isquen's ##BreakupRequest with less than 90 seconds left in the day? I got distracted by the blatant misinformation Ulti was propagating.

I absolutely view that breakup request from Isquen as pointless posturing since there didn't seem to be any chance MZero would come through with a breakup confirmation and try to set up new pairs in the final minute and a half.

This is why the lack of Isquen sending out a date request afterwards is important to me. Either he knew it was toothless and was just posturing, was committing suicide, or was trying to triple kill JC and I. Honestly the last one looked the most towny if MZero responded fast enough to save Lopen, lol.

EDumey posted...

This was some of my theory planning last night. This would leave Ulti/Sultan/MZero as a final 3. Kirby and I have shown we're both more than willing to breakup late to influence things late. Could swap Isquen and JC if FD thinks that's a more versatile pair.

Sultan, nuts on the table you have to choose Ulti or MZero to date, who do you go for?

Hypothetically even if I could date ulti again tonight I wouldn't so..

Tbh Mzero Ulti is starting to panick and is trying to town pander with poor logic.

Mzero I think is doing a bit more. He did come into the day. A bit whiney

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Oh are we talking about Isquen's ##BreakupRequest with less than 90 seconds left in the day? I got distracted by the blatant misinformation Ulti was propagating.

I absolutely view that breakup request from Isquen as pointless posturing since there didn't seem to be any chance MZero would come through with a breakup confirmation and try to set up new pairs in the final minute and a half.

I would have if Lopen sent out his date request sooner tbh

I don't want any of those 4 dating today.

If we can all agree on a 4pack which likely contains both scum then I think there is actually a logical process by which we can lynch one of them, and pair the other 3 with not-each other. Then the following day lynch another one, and force the other two to pair WITH each other. That way even if we miss twice and the other two are scum/scum they are forced to pair on 7 and can be blown up on 5.

I looked at the numbers a bit this morning and I think it works, but importantly no one should be suggesting their OWN pairings today, but rather 2 other people they think can safely pair.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I am absolutely ok with being in a final 3 with Sultan and all 3 of us blowing up. He tripped a LOT of scum flags in our chat.

Uh huh by not agreeing with you? And coming in asking why I shouldn't gun for you today?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I am absolutely ok with being in a final 3 with Sultan and all 3 of us blowing up. He tripped a LOT of scum flags in our chat.

i bet he didn't even write you poetry

Anyways I have about an hour of daylight to do some work in the yard, back in a bit.

Actually dumey put of the 3 of us who would you want to Date if you had to?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill make this easy.

I will not send out or accept ANY date requests today. Zero. Today is the day town needs to go for the triple kill and win.

Me, Sultan, and whoever else town agrees should go. Gun to my head, I want Justin with us.

Ulti if you're town and don't date anyone, you die alone and throw. Play to win. If we were gonna risk a Triple Kill it was yesterday. We missed our chance.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Actually dumey put of the 3 of us who would you want to Date if you had to?

hheheheheh are you sure you want to hear the answer to that one my sweet tunneled scumspect? :3

The fact that anyone is still considering me after repeated Lopen assurances is laughable.

We're all idiots. EoD1 Kirby Peaf Dumey with the murder turducken. It was really just that simple and they screwed it up.

EDumey posted...

hheheheheh are you sure you want to hear the answer to that one my sweet tunneled scumspect? :3

I mean you have to have a thought do you not?

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Hello Mr. Ulti. Just finished Taekwondo classes..

Soo yeah Lopen Flipping town doesn't look good for you. If he Flipped Scum I was 100% locking you town..

So gun to your head who do we go after tomorrow and why shouldn't it be you?

This doesnt read town to me.

fake Sultan doesn't know how to spell Taekwondo

Isquen posted...

The fact that anyone is still considering me after repeated Lopen assurances is laughable.

We're all idiots. EoD1 Kirby Peaf Dumey with the murder turducken. It was really just that simple and they screwed it up.

Knowing Lopen flipped town I actually want to reread you.

Top scum read top town read quickly though

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I looked at the numbers a bit this morning and I think it works, but importantly no one should be suggesting their OWN pairings today, but rather 2 other people they think can safely pair.

Chris and Ulti.
You and MZero.

MZero posted...

fake Sultan doesn't know how to spell Taekwondo

Rude I've been taking Taekwondo for the past 2 years and a first degree black belt. I'm also first in the world in combat sparing(strick Fighting)

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I mean you have to have a thought do you not?

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It's me not dating you and choosing between Ulti and MZero because I struggle to ever get over my suspicion of you.

EDumey posted...

It's me not dating you and choosing between Ulti and MZero because I struggle to ever get over my suspicion of you.

I knew you were going to say it wasn't me but this isn't a good answer.