Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 10: Can Love Bloom on a Battlefield?

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I still think Kirby escaped yesterday

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Rude I've been taking Taekwondo for the past 2 years and a first degree black belt. I'm also first in the world in combat sparing(strick Fighting)

oh my god i want to fight with a stick i'm so jealous

UltimaterializerX posted...

I think the end of day 1 is actually easy to parse. Justin and Peaf got caught and panicked.

girl if i was scum i wasn't gonna break up with lea

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Rude I've been taking Taekwondo for the past 2 years and a first degree black belt. I'm also first in the world in combat sparing(strick Fighting)

it's just a joke cause you spelled it wrong that one time lol

probably about 2 years ago actually

MZero posted...

it's just a joke cause you spelled it wrong that one time lol

probably about 2 years ago actually

Oh I'm sure I did I do want to put teakwondo alot lol

##date: chris

hey chris mr gf prosty, want to annoy ulti?

let's be good scumbuddies and mess up our mylo by pairing tonight

wait it's 7 that scum can't pair at, not 9

either way

UltimaterializerX posted...

I stand corrected on FD. Yeah it's two of Sultan/Justin/Chris, and Chris is mainly rule 1 paranoia.

I literally cannot make a scum case against anyone else. I really did try, too!

So just to be clear, you're going with Godfather Prosty as my role.

I think maybe we leave Chris up if he thinks he can be active for EoD.

As confirmed Prosty, he's probably the best option to hold the reins of MZero.

I'm thinking of a scenario here where MZero sends a date request to Chris and maybe someone else if we are still undecided by rule change time. Then Chris can be the arbiter of whether or not MZero dies over someone else. Not really sure if anyone else in the game is in as strong a position across all of town. (minus godfather prosty paranoia.)

You know what screw it. Day ends at 9:00 AM my time. I will wake up at 8 the day after tomorrow, one hour before deadline

if I oversleep oh well guess im ded

UltimaterializerX posted...

It would make sense, given scum needs something nasty to even out 3 vs 12.

No.

I was gonna say it's a close game even with us killing scum D1, but we did out our room cop D2 immediately after losing our only protection. :)

not accepting or sending any dates until then

I think you could potentially send out a single date to someone trustworthy like Chris, with the understanding that he might not take it. But I do think you shouldn't send out multiple dates before rule change.

Sultan and MZero, build be your ideal pairings/Final Three for the day. FD, Isquen, and Ulti already basically have. Who do you want on the chopping block.

EDumey posted...

Sultan and MZero, build be your ideal pairings/Final Three for the day. FD, Isquen, and Ulti already basically have. Who do you want on the chopping block.

Final 3 should be ulti mzero Kirby

All three had terriblely scummy intros to this day and 2 scum reads and a POE.

I know everyone wants me their.

I don't want to pair with Chris beacuse he is probably dead tonight and no one would trust me relaying any messages.

UltimaterializerX posted...

....wow

Dumey really does have me fooled and we really did get all 3 day one, huh

?? SO YOU DO THINK CHRIS IS TOWN!

MZero I was tryin to cook, where did you go? >:(

Okay, so here's what I was thinking.

We're on 9 Players. Take 4 players:

Player A
Player B
Player C
Player D

A, B and C all pair DIFFERENT people but not each other today (So they pair with E, F and G). If any pairing of A, B and C tries to date each other then they get blown up tomorrow, no exceptions. They play along today or they give themselves up as scummates and die tomorrow.

D gets lynched.

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If D is scum then fantastic, but if not, then we're onto the next day.

On 7 players:

A and B *must* pair each other on 7. Everyone else must refuse to pair either of them.

C gets lynched.

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Now we're onto 5 players, and even if we missed twice, the remaining 2 suspects can NOT save each other on 5. Someone detonates A and B, roll credits.

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Someone can check my work, but I'm pretty sure if both scum are really in a group of 4 then victory becomes unavoidable. To me that group of 4 is the same 4 I wanted to look at yesterday, Ulti, MZero, Sultan and Isquen, and because I think the plan works regardless of lynch order I don't even care what order we take them out in. I would prefer Ulti first, not just based upon points i made yesterday regarding his #Datals, but ALSO because he came out the gate today swinging at me saying things that were just patently false, but as long as both scum are there then I don't think the order matters.

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The other 5 that I'd be taking out of running are: Myself, Chris (scanned inno, 2x confirmed prosty including by myself), Dumey and Kirby (who looked pretty good EoD yesterday) and JC.

JC is the one I'm least certain about removing from POE, but he still had EoD1 working in his favor I believe.

You know, I thought it'd be easier to figure everybody out after Lopen died, but this really is just everybody throwing words without weight at each other.

Let's present the facts.

Dumey and I have individually been slated for death in situations where it makes absolutely zero sense for anyone to come save either of us. Both of us have been absolutely fine with being in danger at critical moments. Thus, if either of us are scum, then we better get the award for ballsiest scum players in B8 history because good grief do the events of EoD D1 and D3 make absolutely zero logical sense.

Ulti was almost in a similar situation with EoD D2 where he placed his life in Dumey's hands by allowing Dumey to insta-breakup with him past the 1 PM deadline. While not a complete clear, it's something.

Sultan has comfortably early paired with players each day. D1 he paired with MZero very early into the day, D2 he paired with Chris under the presumption that nobody wanted Chris dead, and then D3 he paired with Ulti early into the day.

Isquen has had pretty much zero EoD presence except for yesterday when he tried to breakup with MZero for whatever reason. To his merit, however, on D2 he refused pairings with numerous players and did not take an easy way out.

MZero paired early on D1, and then stuck around for longer on D3. I don't remember what he did on D2 other than pair up with FD. Speaking of which...

Of all the people perceived as town, FD has been the only one stealthily avoiding danger. FD has been around for EoDs but has never tried to shake things up at the risk of his own safety. This is true even for D1, where he only split with Lopen because he knew for a fact that my date with him was guaranteed. But on D2 and D3? While FD was paired with MZero on D2 and couldn't do much there, he was paired with Chris at some point on D3 and remained with him for the rest of the day.

Meanwhile, JC has been a part of every EoD and had a crucial role in each one. However, he never initiated a breakup at EoD aside from one time. D1 and D2 were both initiated by Lea as a means to save townies on the block (me on D1 and Corrik on D2). D3, Lopen was the one who started the breakup with JC as part of his heroic sacrifice. However, to JC's credit, when it came down to him, Peaf, and Dumey on D1, JC initiated the date with Dumey, thereby sealing Peaf's fate.

Finally (and ngl I keep forgetting he's in this game), Chris has an innocent scan and two confirmed prosty visits. If he's scum, what the fuck did you feed this scum team's roles Chang

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In conclusion, Ulti's EoD D2 is a very vulnerable state for scum Ulti, Isquen has been a complete wildcard, Sultan is a certified early pairer, and MZero exists.

However, if we had a feeling that there's a scum skulking around in the shadows here that nobody's seemed to notice, the most likely candidate for that would be FD, based on the sheer safety of the pairs he's been making thus far.

EDumey posted...

MZero I was tryin to cook, where did you go? >:(

Technically I'm at work!

Idk about final 3 but I want Sultan and Ulti in there

It is kind of funny that MZero comes in today with annoyance about us being skeptical of him not being around for end day, and lists Ulti, Sultan, and Chris as people who also are never brought to end of day. But all three of those players have received heavy suspicion and criticism for their dates. Like the idea that they're "getting away with it" while he gets criticized is hilarious when the dating strategy of Sultan and Ulti are some of the biggest reasons why people are against them.

oof, awkward timing hi MZero!

EDumey posted...

It is kind of funny that MZero comes in today with annoyance about us being skeptical of him not being around for end day, and lists Ulti, Sultan, and Chris as people who also are never brought to end of day. But all three of those players have received heavy suspicion and criticism for their dates. Like the idea that they're "getting away with it" while he gets criticized is hilarious when the dating strategy of Sultan and Ulti are some of the biggest reasons why people are against them.

Jesus christ dude

lmao. i'm just saying comparing yourself to those three doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.

Mzero give me a third. Everyone else gave at least 3 or 4. You have no strong suspicions of anyone else?

Hi Dumey did you read my post

Please acknowledge it, because I feel like at this stage, we need to start looking at past behaviors and actions and see if we can find a story in them.

##date: Chris
Thought (thot?) experiment.

Kirby321 posted...

Hi Dumey did you read my post

Please acknowledge it, because I feel like at this stage, we need to start looking at past behaviors and actions and see if we can find a story in them.

My response about Mzero was my response to your post lol.

EDumey posted...

My response about Mzero was my response to your post lol.

But what about FD?

I don't think anyone else has brought up the fact that FD has been positioning himself in fairly safe pairs for most of the game. I'd like to discuss that a bit further to see whether it's a valid suspicion or not.

Kirby321 posted...

FD has been the only one stealthily avoiding danger.

I certainly don't mind you looking in every direction, because that's a good thing to do, but I wouldn't fully agree with this. I felt *very* much in danger day 1 when the 6 hour mark hit and I was still unpaired. Lopen at that point had been talking about killing me and only offered me a date when you said something that made him suspect you more.

While certainly my date swap at the EoD1 was not risky to myself (which I've personally tried to clarify whenever anyone says otherwise), simply being unpaired during the 6 hour window was harrowing. Also my day 1 date swap did seem to contribute to Peaf's death even if I wasn't directly in danger during the maneuver.

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But also everyone is ignoring my logical proposition in post 325 which I don't love :/

And people are tossing dates around which is incredibly sus on 9 for all of the previously mentioned reasons.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I still think Kirby escaped yesterday

I'm more inclined to agree with you reading the last two and a half hours again.

This is important - anyone else find it peculiar that Kirby, in his wall of text, hasn't said a word about what he spoke with Corrik about? It's EXTREMELY hard to believe he didn't say a damn thing again. Dollars to doughnuts Corrik shared who he was going to deputy before the 5 PM cutoff and Kirby had him killed for it.

I'm gonna be honest, I haven't thought very hard about the math, and I doubt scum has been thinking of it very hard until someone pointed out they could pair up on LyLo and insta-win the game.

But I also have absolutely zero faith in town being able to coordinate such a large-scale maneuver. People are obstinate and will march to their own tempo. And honestly, I feel like most times that town has laid out some plan publicly, scum has almost always figured out some way to foil it. I'd rather not flowchart based on anything but actual reads.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I stand corrected on FD. Yeah it's two of Sultan/Justin/Chris, and Chris is mainly rule 1 paranoia.

Isquen posted...

Dumey Ulti Sultan Kirby. Therein lies our remaining duo.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I still think BOTH scum can be found in: Ulti, Mzero, Sultan, Isquen

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Final 3 should be ulti mzero Kirby

MZero posted...

Idk about final 3 but I want Sultan and Ulti in there

EDumey posted...

This would leave Ulti/Sultan/MZero as a final 3.

Pretty confident JC shares same list as me and FD.

Kirby same list + FD suspicion.

Chris ??

Corrik7 posted...

Mzero as scum likely can breeze thru by claiming he needs a date prior due to timezones and thus is never considered.

Chaeix posted...

this is a serious flaw with the game format.

not that it's chang's fault or anything, but it really does warp what we can do with mzero

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If he's scum the only way he gets lynched is if everyone is paired up at one of the 12-hour intervals and he hasn't found a pair yet, otherwise he's conveniently locked in and protected by the schedule.

Corrik7 posted...

Probably just kill mzero regardless if you don't take 3 today. His time zone can't possibly help town.

EDumey posted...

yeah, i think they're both town. like i said, there's a CHANCE that it's exactly Kirby/Ulti. But I'd ask you to not tunnel on that tomorrow if you can. Make town pair early so we can pressure MZero properly before he leaves for the day.

I wasn't annoyed at being suspected, I was annoyed at all the commentary acting like I'm coasting and there's nothing you can do about it because of my time zone. What I'm saying is that Sultan, Ulti, and Chris have also been paired early every day and no one is doing anything about that either. Chris is fair because he's claimed power now, but he wasn't day 1 or 2. and yeah as Kirby said FD hasn't exactly been in danger at the EoD either

and oh by the way, I wasn't paired up until just before the 6-hour cutoff Day 2, so you guys could have killed me at any of the 12-hour marks. Sultan, FD, or Isquen could have dumped me after I went to sleep. I'm literally the most vulnerable player in the setup and you're all acting like I have some unfair advantage or something. That's what was annoying me

Isquen posted...

Dollars to doughnuts Corrik shared who he was going to deputy before the 5 PM cutoff and Kirby had him killed for it.

Corrik was dead no matter who he scanned. Any result was disaster for scum. Even if he hits two town, that's two town clears.

FD I'm down to try and set up the lynches in a way you think is smart. But at the end of the day, we're making assumptions that scum is playing to pair up on the correct day, when they could have just paired up on the wrong day and be out of sync now or something. I dunno. As long as we are lynching in our PoE and aren't stuck with another day where we say, "why is everyone here town again?" I'll be happy.

Except he threw doubt that he was deputy (and I believed he wasn't up until flip)

EDumey posted...

Mzero give me a third. Everyone else gave at least 3 or 4. You have no strong suspicions of anyone else?

I still suspect Chris tbh but if he's town he probably dies tonight so might as well revisit tomorrow

Actually throw FD in there

Kirby321 posted...

But what about FD?

I don't think anyone else has brought up the fact that FD has been positioning himself in fairly safe pairs for most of the game. I'd like to discuss that a bit further to see whether it's a valid suspicion or not.

I mean I just said a bit but I can elaborate if you're unconvinced.

Day 1: Very shakey, was actually undated during the first chunk of the 6 hour window until Lopen came around. Did the date swap and Peaf (scum) was lynched. It might have been difficult to justify it the next day but I could have absolutely made up an excuse to save Peaf over someone else. "I really like the Peaf was willing to confirm his breakup with Dumey and put himself at risk to save a town read. That makes him the stronger of the pair to me, ##Date: Peaf". It's too easy to save peaf for anyone who had a chance to break up and do so, which is ALSO why the scum was likely simply found in the pairs who didn't have have an opportunity to save Peaf.

Day 2: I confirmed my date with MZero shortly before the 6 hour window. Not because I was worried about having a date myself, but because MZero was threatening to accept red's spam date request. I believed Red deserved to be in the end of day conversation, and MZero had JUST had full safety with his all-day date with Sultan day 1, so I did the only thing I could think to do in the moment to prevent the MZero/Red pair. In hindsight, I should have just accepted the date with red and then broken up with red at 6 hours and 1 minute (after MZero had gone), but I didn't think of it at the time.

Day 3: Lopen and Chris, two of my town reads were at each other's throats during the first half of the day. I liked that they seemed to make up later, but I was willing to provide either of them safety and didn't particularly care who. Pairing with Chris also allowed me to be the secondary confirmation that he is actually Prosty. I'm still not willing to entertain godfather prosty, so he's as full cleared as you can possibly be. I believe it was also Ulti who insisted that Chris pair with me, though at the time I thought that meant chris might be NK'd in an effort to make me look worse, especially after Corrik said he wasn't actually backup.

Isquen posted...

Dollars to doughnuts Corrik shared who he was going to deputy before the 5 PM cutoff and Kirby had him killed for it.

lol it's actually a much funnier story than that

Kirby: "Anyway, gun to your head, who would you scan tonight? Assume scum somehow fell for your "I'm not actually backup" misdirection and killed Chris tonight. Which room would you scan?"
Corrik: "I don't have a scan lol"
Corrik: "I'm just eating a nk for no reason haha. If I had a scan probably the room with isquen I guess idk. Haven't thought about it or know who is together"
Corrik: "I really didn't think this game was gonna have a cop and if it did I figured I could eat a nk later if the cop got shot later on and wanted to make up reasoning to put pressure on ulti and Lea and see reactions"
Corrik: "Still trying to wrap my mind around why if red had an unlimited cop scan why he claimed it at the end of the day right there lol"
Kirby: "Wait, so you weren't kidding? ... Corrik you magnificent bastard holy shit I forgive you for the EoD D2 nonsense. Or I forgive myself I guess lmao I think you had absolutely everyone fooled that you were back-up. I was trying to pretend like you were being completely serious when I thought you were bluffing... but turns out you were totally serious. I sincerely hope you take the nk today, because that'd be legendary lmfao"

... So turns out I got double hoodwinked, which is absolutely incredible

But yeah Corrik didn't really have much to say.

Corrik: "This game is full of town people trying to kill themselves."
Corrik: "Scum is impossible to find with town just trying to kill themselves left and right tbqh so I don't have much of an idea."

When I asked him if he had any final thoughts he wanted me to convey, all he had to say was:

Corrik: "Nah. Just tell em I said good luck and I am sorry."

So I didn't feel like bringing up my discussion with Corrik was anything productive. What did you and MZero chat about last night?

Plus if Corrik knew he was a dead man walking he would have at least thrown some of his own suspicions up.

MZero posted...

and oh by the way, I wasn't paired up until just before the 6-hour cutoff Day 2, so you guys could have killed me at any of the 12-hour marks.

False.

Corrik did not do any dating actions until the VERY end of the day. There were a couple others who did not have any dating actions until later on as well. But the ONLY way for a 12 hour rule to be initiated is for every single last other person to be paired. Unless corrik suddenly became NOT corrik and set up an early pair with someone? No you could not possibly have been killed during a 12 hour rule.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

False.

Corrik did not do any dating actions until the VERY end of the day. There were a couple others who did not have any dating actions until later on as well. But the ONLY way for a 12 hour rule to be initiated is for every single last other person to be paired. Unless corrik suddenly became NOT corrik and set up an early pair with someone? No you could not possibly have been killed during a 12 hour rule.

Corrik was one of the people complaining. I even quoted it!