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Kirby321
03/05/24 9:48:12 PM
#351:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I mean I just said a bit but I can elaborate if you're unconvinced.

Day 1: Very shakey, was actually undated during the first chunk of the 6 hour window until Lopen came around. Did the date swap and Peaf (scum) was lynched. It might have been difficult to justify it the next day but I could have absolutely made up an excuse to save Peaf over someone else. "I really like the Peaf was willing to confirm his breakup with Dumey and put himself at risk to save a town read. That makes him the stronger of the pair to me, ##Date: Peaf". It's too easy to save peaf for anyone who had a chance to break up and do so, which is ALSO why the scum was likely simply found in the pairs who didn't have have an opportunity to save Peaf.

Day 2: I confirmed my date with MZero shortly before the 6 hour window. Not because I was worried about having a date myself, but because MZero was threatening to accept red's spam date request. I believed Red deserved to be in the end of day conversation, and MZero had JUST had full safety with his all-day date with Sultan day 1, so I did the only thing I could think to do in the moment to prevent the MZero/Red pair. In hindsight, I should have just accepted the date with red and then broken up with red at 6 hours and 1 minute (after MZero had gone), but I didn't think of it at the time.

Day 3: Lopen and Chris, two of my town reads were at each other's throats during the first half of the day. I liked that they seemed to make up later, but I was willing to provide either of them safety and didn't particularly care who. Pairing with Chris also allowed me to be the secondary confirmation that he is actually Prosty. I'm still not willing to entertain godfather prosty, so he's as full cleared as you can possibly be. I believe it was also Ulti who insisted that Chris pair with me, though at the time I thought that meant chris might be NK'd in an effort to make me look worse, especially after Corrik said he wasn't actually backup.

Aight, I'll accept these explanations. I don't think I can find much fault with them, at least.

So back to the classic PoE of Sultan, Ulti, and Isquen.

I think I lean Isquen as the person to die today. Unfortunately, putting those three together at the end guarantees that Isquen lives.

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EDumey
03/05/24 9:49:07 PM
#352:


Things I'm noting from this list of final 3/4s that people have given.

Despite being in the PoE still, only Kirby has mentioned FD.
Ulti is bonkers and the only one with JC or Chris in his.
FD and I both list Isquen as a distant fourth, but otherwise Isquen is not listed as a confident scum read by ANYONE.
Sultan and Isquen are the only ones trying to carry a torch against Kirby.
Ulti and Sultan are mentioned by literally everyone that isn't themselves. (technically even ulti mentioned himself with triple kill shenanigans :thinking:)
MZero is in several lists, but not all.

Would scum mention their partner here? Are players like Isquen and FD being so far from EVERYONE'S list a point for concern? Or do scum hedge their bets and list their scum in Rule of Three here?

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EDumey
03/05/24 9:50:15 PM
#353:


Okay MZero added FD and I didn't refresh. More food for thought.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 9:51:08 PM
#354:


EDumey posted...
FD I'm down to try and set up the lynches in a way you think is smart. But at the end of the day, we're making assumptions that scum is playing to pair up on the correct day, when they could have just paired up on the wrong day and be out of sync now or something.

Right, but if both scum are found in those 4 (as I believe they are) then the swap between Ulti/MZero and Ulti/Sultan could very well have been an effort to do exactly that. "Oh Dumey is saying scum wants to pair on 9 and will avoid pairing on 11, so let's just pair on 11 and avoid pairing on both 9 and 7", or the reverse swapping from each other to keep pairing on 9 as an option.

But I also don't want to be the one to designate pairs. I just think if we can come to an agreement on the 4 players then the lynch order doesn't really matter and someone else (in my town pile, preferably) can take a more active role designating pairs.

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MZero
03/05/24 9:51:49 PM
#355:


In our chat it seemed like Isquen legitimately didn't seem to think Corrik was deputy fwiw

also thought for some reason scum might shoot him because he hinted that he was the real deputy

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Isquen
03/05/24 9:52:52 PM
#356:


Kirby321 posted...
I think I lean Isquen as the person to die today. Unfortunately, putting those three together at the end guarantees that Isquen lives.

OMGUS doesn't suit you, and too bad you were so late with that.

Kirby's the shun today.

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Kirby321
03/05/24 9:53:58 PM
#357:


I mean, I genuinely can't tell if town Isquen tunnels this hard usually. The thing about Isquen is that he's always lynched day 2 regardless of alignment because, for some reason, people just always think he's scum. This is the first game in a while where he's lived this long.

At the same time I also can't tell if Isquen is even trying to read the game. If he's scum, he's only putting more attention onto himself.

If we had to lynch somebody based on sheer inconsistency, it'd be Sultan.

Like, I'm constantly questioning my reads here because the answers just feel... too obvious? Like if the aforementioned players were scum, why haven't they tried to adapt and change their playstyles to avoid the attention? They're playing weirdly static and I just can't shake the feeling that they're actually town and we're barking up the wrong trees.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 9:54:28 PM
#358:


EDumey posted...
FD and I both list Isquen as a distant fourth

I think Isquen's theatrical ##OfferBreakup with less than 90 seconds left actually moves him up in my list, but there's a pretty big gap between Ulti and the other 3.

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EDumey
03/05/24 9:56:55 PM
#359:


It's probably just Ulti. He thought Sultan was scum for sure in our chat. Then hard cleared him because of Chris' prosty green check. And now thinks scum is between Sultan/JC/Chris. God I wish inconsistent reads were actually scummy and not just players not thinking things through.

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Kirby321
03/05/24 9:57:40 PM
#360:


EDumey posted...
God I wish inconsistent reads were actually scummy and not just players not thinking things through.

Too real =_=

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 9:57:55 PM
#361:


Ultimately the biggest problem with my plan is it requires everyone to fall in line, which seems impossible in the format. a single rogue date request from someone who doesn't agree blows the whole thing up. And if there are going to be arguments on who should even be in the group of 4 then that disparity and rogue date request only becomes more likely.

I was just trying to find a way to reduce the noise and chaos of the format and I think I found it, but it just might not be viable.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 9:59:58 PM
#362:


But like, I wanted one of those 4 yesterday, and they all dated each other. There is literally nothing stopping all 4 of them from just pairing up again today in a different configuration.

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EDumey
03/05/24 10:00:16 PM
#363:


I mean for your plan to work, we just need to get Chris, you, me, Kirby, and JC on board, right? But then a secret FD scum does guarantee a way to the endgame there, so paranoia will probably seep in at some point.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 10:01:57 PM
#364:


MZero posted...
Corrik was one of the people complaining. I even quoted it!

Yes, but corrik simply existing and choosing not to interact with the Date mechanics at all still meant it was impossible for you to get 12 hour'D, regardless of the complaints he made about it afterwards.

It might be possible today, but it was 100% not possible any of the previous days because there was always someone who hadn't even made a single request going into end of day.

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MZero
03/05/24 10:03:18 PM
#365:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
But like, I wanted one of those 4 yesterday, and they all dated each other. There is literally nothing stopping all 4 of them from just pairing up again today in a different configuration.

fair warning I'm not pairing up with Ulti or Sultan so if you bring them to final 3 with me the triple kill is happening

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 10:06:22 PM
#366:


EDumey posted...
I mean for your plan to work, we just need to get Chris, you, me, Kirby, and JC on board, right? But then a secret FD scum does guarantee a way to the endgame there, so paranoia will probably seep in at some point.

tbh I don't see myself surviving until the day of 5 regardless. I think the only reason I'm still alive is the fact the Corrik outed himself and Red day 2. Barring that I expect the fact that I wasn't showing up on anyone's POE was going to be the end of me night 2. That would have honestly been fine because the extra scan from red either clears 2 people or locates a scum. But I wasn't counting on the backup cop to declare loudly that the real cop either didn't exist or needed to come forward immediately.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 10:09:54 PM
#367:


MZero posted...
fair warning I'm not pairing up with Ulti or Sultan so if you bring them to final 3 with me the triple kill is happening

Tempting, but I still think triple kills are anti-town regardless how how likely they seem to hit scum. Game would straight up end if the scum was Isquen +1 person who seems town.

But my plan would require that none of the 4 of you pair up with each other today anyways so I guess that's neither here nor there.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:15:33 PM
#368:


EDumey posted...
Things I'm noting from this list of final 3/4s that people have given.

Despite being in the PoE still, only Kirby has mentioned FD.
Ulti is bonkers and the only one with JC or Chris in his.
FD and I both list Isquen as a distant fourth, but otherwise Isquen is not listed as a confident scum read by ANYONE.
Sultan and Isquen are the only ones trying to carry a torch against Kirby.
Ulti and Sultan are mentioned by literally everyone that isn't themselves. (technically even ulti mentioned himself with triple kill shenanigans :thinking:)
MZero is in several lists, but not all.

Would scum mention their partner here? Are players like Isquen and FD being so far from EVERYONE'S list a point for concern? Or do scum hedge their bets and list their scum in Rule of Three here?


Man dumey is really trying to take control of thread and it isn't coming off great tbh.

Dumey are you even trying to work with anyone to solve or you just pushing what you believe. I know you don't trust me but I also don't think you've attempted to talk with me or Ulti or isquen to even solve the game. It's not scummy but isn't exactly the most pro town. I'm not even saying this as someone you suspect. Either.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:18:08 PM
#369:


EDumey posted...
It's probably just Ulti. He thought Sultan was scum for sure in our chat. Then hard cleared him because of Chris' prosty green check. And now thinks scum is between Sultan/JC/Chris. God I wish inconsistent reads were actually scummy and not just players not thinking things through.


Yeah Ulti in out chat was sure it was FD/Jc and hard defended it he did mention Chris if he was alive.


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EDumey
03/05/24 10:21:50 PM
#370:


Sultan I'm literally talking with people. I asked Isquen specific questions about his EoD to get his perspective and intentions. I asked you for specific reads. I pushed MZero to give his list so I could look at patterns in PoE. I've talked with FD and Kirby. I've argued with MZero.

Why do you want me to shut up and not try to push what I believe? Isn't that exactly what I'm supposed to do as town? Get out of here.

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Kirby321
03/05/24 10:34:07 PM
#371:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Man dumey is really trying to take control of thread and it isn't coming off great tbh.

Dumey are you even trying to work with anyone to solve or you just pushing what you believe. I know you don't trust me but I also don't think you've attempted to talk with me or Ulti or isquen to even solve the game. It's not scummy but isn't exactly the most pro town. I'm not even saying this as someone you suspect. Either.

Dumey was just reiterating everybody's reads in that post. I fail to see how Dumey is trying to control the thread when FD is blatantly trying to craft out plans for how to handle today.

And just to be clear, my point isn't that FD should be suspicious because of that. My point is that it's inconsistent that you're calling out Dumey here but not FD.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 10:34:42 PM
#372:


If anyone is worried about me putting my thumb on the scale I'd be happy to take my opinion out of the running today.

Group 1: Ulti, MZero, Sultan, Isquen

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, Kirby, JC

Group 3: FD

1 person from group 2 pairs with me. Maybe whoever has the least confident reads? Either way, take 1 person out of group 2, leaving 3 people in group 2. Each of those 3 people adopts someone from Group 1 and whoever is left is dead.

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Kirby321
03/05/24 10:36:50 PM
#373:


I'm really starting to think it's Sultan now. That attack on Dumey felt very manufactured.

Ulti, did Sultan disagree with you last night on FD being possible scum? If so, that'd explain why Sultan honed in on Dumey without any regard to FD. Would be inconsistent to accuse FD of trying to "control" the game if he was supposed to, logically, disagree with Ulti's reads last night.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:37:29 PM
#374:


Ulti and Kirby pair thoughts?

I'm confident that these are town

Chris

Dumey

FD

Leaving

Kirby- I still dislike Kirby for reasons mentioned yesterday. Think he should have been killed over lopen a major reason I dated Lopen was to keep Kirby near the bottom. Lopen also didn't offer me a date near eod either...

Ulti- probably just scum.

Isquen - I think isquen is who scum wants to try and mislycnh. Think we are the 2 mislynched scum are tying to get to win the game.

Mzero - could be scum but I'm not sold. And don't like people using his time zone as an argument seems like a scum reason to go after Mzero beacuse they got nothing else.

Jc- ehh lowest poe. The TMI ulti shared is my only negative but I also don't think that it's like obvious TMI.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:39:33 PM
#375:


Kirby321 posted...
I'm really starting to think it's Sultan now. That attack on Dumey felt very manufactured.

Ulti, did Sultan disagree with you last night on FD being possible scum? If so, that'd explain why Sultan honed in on Dumey without any regard to FD. Would be inconsistent to accuse FD of trying to "control" the game if he was supposed to, logically, disagree with Ulti's reads last night.

What attack at Dumey I was asking dumey to work with me a bit. He is being close minded. Dumey even mentioned yesterday that he thought I was town who started off bad. When I posted my reads list wall.

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EDumey
03/05/24 10:42:13 PM
#376:


Kirby321 posted...
Dumey was just reiterating everybody's reads in that post. I fail to see how Dumey is trying to control the thread when FD is blatantly trying to craft out plans for how to handle today.

And just to be clear, my point isn't that FD should be suspicious because of that. My point is that it's inconsistent that you're calling out Dumey here but not FD.

I was gonna add this comparison, but it felt too salty coming from me so I took a step back, lol.

Forceful_Dragon posted...
If anyone is worried about me putting my thumb on the scale I'd be happy to take my opinion out of the running today.

Group 1: Ulti, MZero, Sultan, Isquen

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, Kirby, JC

Group 3: FD

1 person from group 2 pairs with me. Maybe whoever has the least confident reads? Either way, take 1 person out of group 2, leaving 3 people in group 2. Each of those 3 people adopts someone from Group 1 and whoever is left is dead.

Isquen will not date me or Kirby, and maybe not JC. I'm not sure what to think about that. By having a POE that's so incredibly polarized from everyone else, he kind of ensures that he has a small pool of acceptable dates.

But just in general, I think this plays out in a way I'm okay with.

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EDumey
03/05/24 10:44:14 PM
#377:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
What attack at Dumey I was asking dumey to work with me a bit. He is being close minded. Dumey even mentioned yesterday that he thought I was town who started off bad. When I posted my reads list wall.

I don't think I said that. I'm pretty sure I just humored going with the same person you wanted to lynch and said if you were town and right about it, then you were actually having a stellar performance. It was meant as a compliment, but only if you were town and right!

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 10:44:23 PM
#378:


It sounds like Isquen is going to need to relax his standards if he wants to get adopted then.

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MZero
03/05/24 10:46:51 PM
#379:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
If anyone is worried about me putting my thumb on the scale I'd be happy to take my opinion out of the running today.

Group 1: Ulti, MZero, Sultan, Isquen

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, Kirby, JC

Group 3: FD

1 person from group 2 pairs with me. Maybe whoever has the least confident reads? Either way, take 1 person out of group 2, leaving 3 people in group 2. Each of those 3 people adopts someone from Group 1 and whoever is left is dead.

I've already committed to not date Ulti or Sultan and I can't date Isquen so I guess I'm on board by default

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MZero
03/05/24 10:47:51 PM
#380:


Sultan is so confusing lol

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:48:06 PM
#381:


EDumey posted...
I don't think I said that. I'm pretty sure I just humored going with the same person you wanted to lynch and said if you were town and right about it, then you were actually having a stellar performance. It was meant as a compliment, but only if you were town and right!

You are now. Post timeing may be bad I wasn't even nessisarily attacking you tbh.

And I didn't address FD yet, Kirby

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:49:17 PM
#382:




MZero posted...
Sultan is so confusing lol

Posting before fully reading will do that to a person lol.

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Kirby321
03/05/24 10:50:41 PM
#383:


FD, I think I'd be more okay with that plan if you and Chris swapped places. Forgive my paranoia, but I don't think it'd sit well with me if you didn't have an active voice in who gets saved forcing you to commit to a pair of some kind.

Chris is confirmed town anyway. If he's in Group 3, he's guaranteed safety if any players in Group 1 do some monkey business and pair with each other.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:53:13 PM
#384:


Wait FD can you exsplain this more.. you want us to split into 2 groups and pair with in the groups?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:53:39 PM
#385:


3 groups?

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MZero
03/05/24 10:56:14 PM
#386:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Wait FD can you exsplain this more.. you want us to split into 2 groups and pair with in the groups?

opposite
3 groups of 1+2
1 group of 2+FD
1 person in group 1 dies

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:56:28 PM
#387:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
If anyone is worried about me putting my thumb on the scale I'd be happy to take my opinion out of the running today.

Group 1: Ulti, MZero, Sultan, Isquen

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, Kirby, JC

Group 3: FD

1 person from group 2 pairs with me. Maybe whoever has the least confident reads? Either way, take 1 person out of group 2, leaving 3 people in group 2. Each of those 3 people adopts someone from Group 1 and whoever is left is dead.

So

Group 2 dates between youn and group 2 and group 1 dates within group 1?

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MZero
03/05/24 10:57:03 PM
#388:


Example:
Ulti/Chris
MZero/Dumey
Sultan/Kirby
JC/FD

Isquen dies

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EDumey
03/05/24 10:57:27 PM
#389:


sultan
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80712690/979209694

FD's plan is trying to make sure Group 2 never is at risk and we hopefully can mess with how scum would prefer to pair with each other today or tomorrow.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:57:33 PM
#390:


MZero posted...
opposite
3 groups of 1+2
1 group of 2+FD
1 person in group 1 dies

So basically leaving Isquen to pick who dies more or less

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 10:59:50 PM
#391:


Oh I get it now

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Kirby321
03/05/24 10:59:58 PM
#392:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
So basically leaving Isquen to pick who dies more or less

Not even close

FD, Chris, JC, Dumey, and I decide who dies. You, MZero, Ulti, and Isquen have absolutely zero say in the matter, and if you try to pair up with someone else who's not in the first five, you out yourselves as scum and will be killed off by town in the next days.

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MZero
03/05/24 11:00:20 PM
#393:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
So basically leaving Isquen to pick who dies more or less

...No? Basically Group 2 decides which 3 of group 1 to save and which to leave out in the cold

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 11:01:06 PM
#394:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Wait FD can you exsplain this more.. you want us to split into 2 groups and pair with in the groups?

I don't want you or the other 3 sussies to DO anything.
Read post 325 if you don't understand, but if both scum are in the 4 of you, then it looks like a method to lock the game up every time.

And if you are town and think both scum are in the other 3 (Ulti, MZero, Isquen) then you should have no reason not to go along.

Kirby321 posted...
FD, I think I'd be more okay with that plan if you and Chris swapped places. Forgive my paranoia, but I don't think it'd sit well with me if you didn't have an active voice in who gets saved forcing you to commit to a pair of some kind.

I mean I'm literally fine with any version of who decides who dies, as long as it's among those 4. It seems if my plan was suspect then you would want me to not influence the death order, but I don't mind either way. It feels like a mathematical solution that only misses if both scum aren't in the 4pack. But if even 1 scum is in the 4pack then we still have strong odds hitting that 1 and not losing the game on 5.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/24 11:02:27 PM
#395:


Kirby321 posted...
Not even close

FD, Chris, JC, Dumey, and I decide who dies. You, MZero, Ulti, and Isquen have absolutely zero say in the matter, and if you try to pair up with someone else who's not in the first five, you out yourselves as scum and will be killed off by town in the next days.

Precisely!

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 11:02:53 PM
#396:


Sure i suppose but it does seem kinda flawed. In a way but I'm trying to be as pro town as I can be here

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MZero
03/05/24 11:04:37 PM
#397:


alternatively we just launch Ulti into the sun

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 11:05:00 PM
#398:


I just want to also throw out their I am mislynched the most early besides isquen on here beacuse I'm better late game.

I was thrown off by the concept as well take it as you will but take alot of My early game away what is my main issue?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/05/24 11:18:10 PM
#399:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d579d270.jpg

Wanted to post this earlier but this is a very weird take that Ulti thoight that Scum wanted to keep Lopen alive?

It doesn't make alot of sense.

With this same Logic it doesn't make sense he has JC as a scum Canidate since JC picked to save Dumey over lopen...

If scum wanted to keep lopen alive why would Scum JC not Date town Lopen they were tying to keep alive. If he had Dumey as scum as well it make more sense but???

He can't have both.


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Kirby321
03/05/24 11:19:07 PM
#400:


... Sultan you're not allowed to post screenshots of your Discord chats

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