Current Events > Gacha Game General Topic 37: Tower defense edition

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legendarylemur posted...

I heard some of the subreddit ppl didn't like the change. I see some footages of it, and it doesn't seem like as big of a change as some mentioned? The heavenhold does seem much emptier though. Not sure if that's an improvement

Heavenhold got reset you have to start over with new buildings. That's why it looks empty. You also have to rediscover the hidden areas of heaven hold.

It's also not actually heavenhold it's a moon orbiting Tetis presumably you got there through the orbital lift.

YugiNoob posted...

So uhhh rumors have it that Hoyo is working on an Animal Crossing-esque gacha lol

I'm in. No clue what the gacha would be like though.

Im assuming furniture, clothes, and other aesthetics. Or maybe youll be pulling for that SSR rake lol.

But from the translated rumor, it said its multiplayer, which sounds interesting.

https://iili.io/d9aBaB1.jpg

It took 33 10-pulls, almost 90,000 star gems, but I got the newest banana to keep my collection complete. I still have a bit over 50,000 star gems left and Nana's birthday banner is coming next month, so hopefully I don't get similarly unlucky on that banner.

I dropped the SNK game. To its credit, it was INCREDIBLY generous. But there was just too much to do, as well as stamina issues. Although looking back, I probably shouldve used gems to recover stamina, since they gave so much lol

Lol...

Well folks, I truly think Shadowverse is dead. I think it's almost guaranteed at this point that their upcoming sequel is gonna be dead on arrival. Maybe a bit dramatic, but I sorta... believe it atm?

Their sequel is announced to be delayed to Spring 2025. It was touted to be a Summer 2024 release, so not even aiming for a hot time of the winter holidays seem to be implying that they are not even close to being release proper.

They have a no-crunch policy supposedly, which I appreciate, but the trailer also showed like 10 mini-games that basically have jack all to do with Shadowverse, and from what I know of their stingy rewards in mini-games in SV alone, I also know for a fact will be abandoned in a month or less.

It's not like their card game arena looks drastically better? It looks virtually the same in its classic horribly AA'd blurry game with very little interaction and a large frame that blocks most of their card art. It's a far cry from Yugioh Master Duel which I don't think anybody I've seen complains about how it looks visually. Master Duel's existence alone really puts further sus on the viability of SV in the coming future

There are players most of the game, granted. I am on the most popular rank, which is master, and it takes ages to get there initially, but there's even the slightest delay on queuing, which makes me think that their playerbase is unstable already. Who's to say they'll stick around a whole year to wait for this game, which have 0 guarantee in quality especially when card games early on generally come with really crappy ass sets. A single set format will be solved in a matter of... days. Hours?

It won't die immediately, but I think Cygames will get a bit of a shock seeing how poorly their already outdated game is performing.

legendarylemur posted...

Cygames

Eh, fuck them. I was their number one supporter when Dragalia Lost was still alive. Not anymore....

I just got into a zombie tower wave defense game called Bang Bang Survivor and I like it. What I like about it is the seamless coop and the engaging and yet low effort gameplay. Do you guys know of any games similar to this?

Also know of the next big gacha game coming out that's attached to a big name anime or game?

Got Firefly and Ruan Mei in Star Rail, I am content.

VeggetaX posted...

I just got into a zombie tower wave defense game called Bang Bang Survivor and I like it. What I like about it is the seamless coop and the engaging and yet low effort gameplay. Do you guys know of any games similar to this?

Also know of the next big gacha game coming out that's attached to a big name anime or game?

I like this game so far. But the really horrible stamina limit holds it back a bunch for me :<

Huh... so this is happening.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1dkdrxg/operation_of_d4dj_will_be_transferred_from/
https://twitter.com/D4DJ_pj_EN/status/1803740788255531207

Bushiroad is transferring control of the entire D4DJ project (the mobile game, the live concerts, the music, everything) to Donuts Inc., the company that developed the game and were basically their partners on the whole project. Donuts are even creating their own record label for franchise's music going forward. It's funny that this is basically the exact opposite of what happened with its sister franchise BanG Dream. With Bandori, Bushiroad took full control of the project and the development partner Craft Egg pulled out, but this time Bushiroad are the ones pulling out and the partner Donuts are the ones taking over.

I'm sad about one of my favorite playable songs being removed from the game as a result of this (Rainmaker, AKA pro wrestler Kazuchika Okada's entrance theme, because Bushiroad owns New Japan Pro Wrestling and owns the theme too) but overall, I'm optimistic about D4DJ's future under new ownership. It did feel like Donuts were doing more for D4DJ than Bushiroad themselves were because Bushiroad were focusing a lot more on BanG Dream and their other projects. Hopefully this move works out in the long run, because I really enjoy this game and the franchise's music, and I don't want them to go away.

Has anyone else here gone through the experience of one of their games having a change in ownership while it was still running?

Okay I take it back. THIS is the weirdest collab Ive seen

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2d9332db.jpg

The Ants is one of those realistic ant colony building games where you forage, grow the nest, etc. Sure the other has a spider, but its an isekai anime lol

I would delete that quickly^

It's okay, I'm just using it to save it to my phone for reaction pict, lol.

I also saved it for use with my friends lol

https://x.com/umamusume_eng/status/1805222758063988963

Horse

Lol theres some NFT game called L3E7 that plagiarized games like Dyslyte and HSR

New upcoming Lucia frame in PGR on CN. Looks great. Beta test for the patch will be soon where you can see her in action.

https://fxtwitter.com/Rexlent/status/1805448860191346731

ennuigamer posted...

New upcoming Lucia frame in PGR on CN. Looks great; easy callback to her Dawn frame while Alpha's Crimson Weave is a callback to the Lotus frame. Beta test for the patch will be soon where you can see her in action.

https://twitter.com/Rexlent/status/1805448860191346731

Edit: Looks like she's the Gen3 fire attacker. People are losing their minds for all the dumbest reasons. Welp, that's nothing new in regards to this game. Lee: Hyperreal got nearly two years in the meta, right on schedule, and he was the weakest Gen2 attacker. I'm not disappointed over the Lucia reveal but I am a little surprised Kuro would go back to her so soon. At least she's relevant again as the main character in terms of gameplay.

Holy shit she looks so cool. I'm glad she finally got a new upgrade since Plume. It's been years. She is the main girl. Why are people losing their minds though?

ennuigamer posted...

but I am a little surprised Kuro would go back to her so soon

What do you mean? Isn't this her first upgrade since Plume? Unless you're counting Alpha but she's a separate person.

Some of the Epic Seven community is worried that Smilegate hired a former netmarble guy as VP :<

And to be honest the new changes to Arena are absolutely greedy and have made me consider quitting what is my longest played gacha.

Arknights started a new event a few days ago featuring Degenbrecher, the new top tier dps unit for the next 6 months at least. Rolled a bit but I got an offbanner dupe and decided to stop there.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b2077f70.jpg

SDBZ posted...

What do you mean? Isn't this her first upgrade since Plume? Unless you're counting Alpha but she's a separate person.

I had it in my head when I posted that Kuro would spring a new Lucia frame on a full anniversary and really make it a big deal, not a half anniversary. Now that I've had some time to rethink it, I shouldn't be all that surprised. It has been three years since Plume came out (in CN's patch time), she is the main character and poster girl of the game, and there's lore in recent CN patches that (small CN spoilers) Lee has been assisting Asimov with designing a new frame for Lucia, acknowledging that the Plume frame isn't enough to deal with the current threat and needing a frame that has the ability to enter the tower Lee went into (he can't go in there anymore in his Hyperreal frame). On a side note, Roland was also hinted by Luna to be needing a new frame, so I'm looking forward to that as well as Lucia's new frame.

SDBZ posted...

Why are people losing their minds though?

*sigh* It's for really dumb reasons. Long post ahead.

You have some people on the global, KR, and JP servers posting about how Lee is being shafted because he's getting powercreeped by Lucia.....1.7 years after his Hyperreal frame debut. Global still gets to keep Hyperreal in its meta for another year before we catch up to the Lucia patch and it's not like Lee suddenly becomes unplayable after that. Around the 2 year mark is a good run time for a unit, unlike some other games where the run time is around two patches or a few months. New characters are coming out all the time and they have to go somewhere. If anything, people should've been more upset when Nanamech was powercreeped by Watanabe's fire tank frame so soon, I think she only lasted about 1 year or less, but people didn't complain that much and immediately shut up when they saw Uncle in action.

Then there are cries about how there aren't enough male characters and there needs to be more of them in the meta. Personally, I'd rather have a small number of male characters that are well executed than a huge roster of forgettable ones. I'm happy with the dudes in PGR. Aside from that, waifu patches bring in the most money, so it's only logical that a gacha game's character list is lopsidedly (if not entirely) female. Aside from having male characters, what does it matter if any of them are meta? Meta changes all the time and player's aren't required to follow it at all. That's for the really sweaty stuff, like ranking. You can play with anyone you want. I, and plenty of other players I know about, still play with Karenina's old frames, Lucia: Crimson Abyss, and Changyu, and those frames haven't been relevant in the meta for a long time now.

It's really ironic that, when Lee: Hyppereal came out, there was all this talk about people skipping pulling for him because he's the weakest Gen2 attacker and now many of those same people are upset that he's getting powercreeped by Lucia. You can't have it both ways, people.

The last complaint is over how Kuro needs to finish the Gen2 frames before going into Gen3. Umm...the only one left is a Gen2 frame to replace Vera for the lightning tank position. I'm not terribly worried about that and don't see why you can just go right into Gen3 frames already. She'll get replaced sooner or later. The fire attacker spot was on the chopping block. Also in need of updates is the supporter role for the fire and dark teams. Heck, the dark team also needs an update for the dark tank position. On CN, the dark team is the weakest; it's basically all fish girl! lol

It's the usual much ado about nothing that we see before every patch since around Bianca: Stigmata, just louder this time. "This is terrible! Kuro betrayed us! I'M QUITTING THE GAME!" Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever... >_> Let's see if these people actually do that or prove that they were just making empty threats as usual.

Some people on global: "Why aren't we catching up to CN? We're not going fast enough!"
Same people: "Why are global's patches so damn short? We're going too fast!"
Me: *rolls eyes* "Pick one or the other!"

That was getting too long, so I'll just make a new post and add a few more things:

-The server beta for Lucia's new frame has started, so we can get more of a preview of her gameplay even if it's not the final version of it.
-Kuro will have a livestream in about three or four days, so we'll get more details on what's ahead for the game.
-The upcoming patch will see Bianca: Stigmata getting a Leap upgrade.

darksamus1992 posted...

Arknights started a new event a few days ago featuring Degenbrecher

I got my Degenbrecher but I'm a bit low on pulling power now. I'll probably save for the upcoming limited banners and get the characters I skipped in reruns or something. If anything, there's always the 6* selector that goes on sale periodically. I'm more looking forward to the next several patches for the farming than for the banners. I'm low on materials again!

ennuigamer posted...

I had it in my head when I posted that Kuro would spring a new Lucia frame on a full anniversary and really make it a big deal, not a half anniversary. Now that I've had some time to rethink it, I shouldn't be all that surprised. It has been three years since Plume came out (in CN's patch time), she is the main character and poster girl of the game, and there's lore in recent CN patches that (small CN spoilers) Lee has been assisting Asimov with designing a new frame for Lucia, acknowledging that the Plume frame isn't enough to deal with the current threat and needing a frame that has the ability to enter the tower Lee went into (he can't go in there anymore in his Hyperreal frame). On a side note, Roland was also hinted by Luna to be needing a new frame, so I'm looking forward to that as well as Lucia's new frame.

Ah. Well I meant why did you say "so soon" when it's been 3 years since main girl got an upgrade.

Also to the other thing, people really are stupid. Also from what I saw of Lucia's new frame she looks sick. Her design and her moves.

I agree. Her frame and gameplay look great so far. I can't wait to see and hear the final version! Just think of the skins she'll be getting in the future; that'll be something!

ennuigamer posted...

I agree. Her frame and gameplay look great so far. I can't wait to see and hear the final version! Just think of the skins she'll be getting in the future; that'll be something!

Yeah same. And although the outfit is white for a reason, such as her character development and stuff, in contrast to her black outfits before, I hope she will get a black outfit as one of her skins. I prefer Lucia in black as usual.

But yeah she looks great. I love how majestic she looks.

Steins;Gate collab with Project Neural Cloud is live.

Cookie Run Tower of Adventure is surprisingly fun. The gameplay reminds me of Guardian Tales but the levels are smaller. Too bad that Devsis will likely fuck it up down the road by adding a bunch of unnecessary rarities.

Nikke summer collab with Dave the Diver is... interesting.

Your waifu is not safe.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4d2e10c7.jpg

Kuro is really cooking in PGR. They just did a livestream on CN for the next patch since it's the server's 4.5 year anniversary and shared both what will be in the patch as well as what's coming in the next six months or so. The next patch will be called Shaper's Ripples.

I'll just list out the main points here. Any more in depth stuff will be in the usual place later.

-As I brought up earlier, they first showed off Lucia's new frame. It looks like she has two elements: fire and lightning and has a special memory set for both. They really drew inspiration from her Lotus and Dawn frames as well as touches of Luna's new frame being sprinkled in.

-Leap upgrade for Bianca: Stigmata. They announced that Lucia: Crimson Weave will get a Leap upgrade later.

-Speaking of Bianca, players will get a free copy of her Stigmata frame.

-We finally get to fight Nugget! (Vonnegut) He's the boss in the next patch.

-Players will get the ability to customize the Commandant's appearance and walk around a section of Babylonia. I'm assuming that more style options will be added in the future.

-There will be a style challenge mode in the game. You can now take your time and show off for score instead of having to rush the boss and cancel all your animations.

-New skins: Lucia's new frame gets a new look in black, swimwear skins for Luna's latest frame, Teddy, and Hanying's latest frame. Alpha gets a special gacha skin that looks really good.

-Something about the rotating banner and weapon selector banners getting reworked. For one, a failure to pull what you selected will give you one of the others on the banner; no more random spooks outside of the banner. Second, you will be guaranteed what you want the next time if you failed the 70% (rotating banner) or 80% (weapon selector). An additional layer of pity and a smaller pool doesn't hurt!

-Looks like players will get a bunch of free pulls and battle pass vouchers.

Stuff for the future of the game -
-New characters/frames coming in the future: Nanami will get a frame that looks like a knight, complete with sword and shield; no mech this time. She now has the most frames of any character in the game! Yata will be freed from NPC jail. We're getting a mystery character with the hint that the narrator for the segment was female. Looks like the boss Lilith will become playable!

-New special FX skins for Karenina and Watanabe. Watanabe's looks right out of a western.

Snowbreak doing more goofy stuff for their anniv. 2 wedding skin, 1 for the "main" girl, Lyfe, and 1 for the most popular girl, Fenny. Doing a bunch of other giveaways, including free new Fenny outright, which is exciting cuz I wanted a good AR unit. Fritia carries around an AR but realistically her only attack is her bolas and her ult. Just wishing for a unit that can accommodate reload and not being super skill reliant and doesn't have some ridiculous gimmick that breaks the rules of the game, which is basically what Katya is.

Speaking of, you know what's funny? Ppl copiumed about how Ksana Siris was only good in single player and the bosses in the current event only accommodated her, so her damage % looks ridiculous. But like... no, I've been being matched with lvl 100 Katyas and Chernos in non-event modes for co-op, and I still do 70-80% of DPS every single game.

I think the biggest thing is that Ksana is not that simple to pilot, so ppl were just trying her out and being confused by how she does consistent dmg. But basically, her damage has huge AOE, massive movespeed buff, no dropoff, and spammability. Her ult basically has a sniper's range and can't miss, as long as you can sorta work with the fact that she can't adjust her aim. It's also only 15 cost which she literally gets in 2 hits of her s-skill. But also she can't die. Her biggest problem is that her skills don't interact well with destroying parts, which makes her weak against Mecha Joseph and the spider boss. Big deal tbh. Mecha Joseph is rarely even in the random boss events or boss rotation

ennuigamer posted...

-New skins: Lucia's new frame gets a new look in black,

Nice so I'm getting what I wanted lol. I mentioned I wanted that earlier.

>I hope she will get a black outfit as one of her skins. I prefer Lucia in black as usual.

I guess one of the reasons they're doing it is for people that prefer Lucia in black as she usually is.

legendarylemur posted...

Snowbreak doing more goofy stuff for their anniv. 2 wedding skin, 1 for the "main" girl, Lyfe, and 1 for the most popular girl, Fenny. Doing a bunch of other giveaways, including free new Fenny outright, which is exciting cuz I wanted a good AR unit. Fritia carries around an AR but realistically her only attack is her bolas and her ult. Just wishing for a unit that can accommodate reload and not being super skill reliant and doesn't have some ridiculous gimmick that breaks the rules of the game, which is basically what Katya is.

Speaking of, you know what's funny? Ppl copiumed about how Ksana Siris was only good in single player and the bosses in the current event only accommodated her, so her damage % looks ridiculous. But like... no, I've been being matched with lvl 100 Katyas and Chernos in non-event modes for co-op, and I still do 70-80% of DPS every single game.

I think the biggest thing is that Ksana is not that simple to pilot, so ppl were just trying her out and being confused by how she does consistent dmg. But basically, her damage has huge AOE, massive movespeed buff, no dropoff, and spammability. Her ult basically has a sniper's range and can't miss, as long as you can sorta work with the fact that she can't adjust her aim. It's also only 15 cost which she literally gets in 2 hits of her s-skill. But also she can't die. Her biggest problem is that her skills don't interact well with destroying parts, which makes her weak against Mecha Joseph and the spider boss. Big deal tbh. Mecha Joseph is rarely even in the random boss events or boss rotation

Fucking SnowPEAK. I saw all the news on twitter and watched the new Youtube vids. Dude holy shit that live action ASMR. The feet shots. I gotta know who those cosplayer(s) are.

Fuck it I'm posting the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wIGyKb1IQ

New Lyfe and Fenny look absolutely amazing. Not just in design but also their moves and animations. I'm especially excited for Lyfe because she's dual wielding high fire rate smgs and she's fast. I'm glad she's using her manifestation power with the lightning in this form as well since she didn't seem to use them in her previous 5 star form.

Snowbros can't stop winning.

SnowPEAK.

Are y'all playing Snowbreak on PC or mobile? I tried it again yesterday and just can't get into it due to the cumbersome controls on the phone. Even using a phone controller pad doesn't feel great.

ShadowElite86 posted...

Are y'all playing Snowbreak on PC or mobile? I tried it again yesterday and just can't get into it due to the cumbersome controls on the phone. Even using a phone controller pad doesn't feel great.

PC with keyboard and mouse. But I always play gacha on PC. I have some installed on my phone for when I don't have access to my PC and I don't do as much on them as I do on the PC versions.

Yeah, with Snowbreak, PC is the way to go. It's a far superior experience compared to playing it on the phone. Same for any other game that has an official PC client, I think.

Yeah PC. I play on max settings, but it still sometimes stutters for reasons outside of my PC. It used to be even worse on release, so it's gotten much better.

Genuinely can't even imagine playing this on the phone

Huh. I play on max settings and the game never stuttered.

I've monitored and occasionally it'll just pause like a millisecond to load. There's like no burden on my PC to run this game. I think they're doing something weird in the background that's clogging up the main thread.

Do these graphs mean that Hoyo has cut down the amount of free summons by quite a bit in HSR?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9971e100.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d690f0cc.png

No, that is the usual par for the course.

That graph is almost 1-to-1 Genshin's.

Does event warps mean gacha pulls? If yes, then yeah, that is the usual stuff.

What causes such a drastic change? And is that common for non-Hoyo titles? Because I haven't noticed such a huge change for other games I've played. Epic Seven just changed how Arena works and people have calculated that you actually get slightly less currency from it, in addition to it being more inconvenient, so the community is up in arms.

Less permanent content compared to the first version.

Project Neural Cloud gets like 49 F2P pulls every month so I can only use that as comparison. But then again, dupes aren't /that/ useful in PNC compared to others.

Interesting. Hoyo is still on my list of devs whose games I wont play anymore though, although theyre on the soft ban side lol. Unlike say Netmarble and Moonton who have lied and done things that wouldve cost me money had Apple not refunded me

BTW is anyone playing the new Cookie Run? It seems interesting but I dont like how they force you to pay for free skips >:(

YugiNoob posted...

BTW is anyone playing the new Cookie Run? It seems interesting but I dont like how they force you to pay for free skips >:(

Yep, that's a bit scummy considering how frugal they seem to be with giving skip tickets out. I did pay for the pass though since it's a decent deal. My main problem is stamina since resource stages burn through it way to fast. Other than that it's actually a really fun game so far.

Do you get free skips permanently or only for the duration of the pass? Or has the game not been out long enough to determine that lol.

So apparently Exedra is getting an English language release, at least on PC: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2987800/Madoka_Magica_Magia_Exedra/

Still published by Aniplex though, not that it was likely to be anyone else.

YugiNoob posted...

Do you get free skips permanently or only for the duration of the pass? Or has the game not been out long enough to determine that lol.

Just during the duration of the pass is my understanding.