Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 11 - Ancient B8 Mafia History (2009-2011)

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htaeD posted...

Huh. that rule feels like it was designed to punish scum for trying to abuse the voteblocking power at MyLo, except the Nolynch clause removes the punishment factor again.
So yeah we should consider ourselves 1 day closer to Mislynch.

Unless Lopen really was kidnapped and he returns once we kill the culprit. But that a mere hope.

does death talk like this when he's town too?

i noticed last game he literally couldn't help himself from commenting on scum perspective on things

I do talk like that a lot yes.

Though I will grant you that it got a lot worse last game where I outright let it slip that I knew Lopen was town.

htaeD posted...

Odd. I figured that it was just a permanent targeting power. Now it sounds like they really just dislike you.
Either that or its a power that can be removed through some means.

Why did you think so?

htaeD posted...

Unless Lopen really was kidnapped and he returns once we kill the culprit. But that a mere hope.

If that happens I hope he has been keeping up on the game for the past week+ but it would certainly be great for numbers.

I guess hypothetically the same person who vanished Lopen could be the person removing ctes' vote every night, and if Lopen is returnable killing them would effectively bring two town back to life.

Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, Kirby, Peaf
[1] MI - Ulti
[0] (Ben) - (MI), (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Blade - (Ulti)
[0] FD - (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)
[0] MI - (Peaf)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Thursday, May 9th at 6 PM EST.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why did you think so?

Not to speak for Death, but that actually makes him seem more town to me, the fact that he didn't know the mechanic.

It also makes it seem like he's not paying enough attention, because when you said yesterday that your vote was removed for a second time I specifically asked you if you got a notification each night about it, and made you attempt a vote just to be sure.

There's no legitimate town reason for vote removal that I can think of, so whoever is doing this must be scum

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why did you think so?

Because I figured there was a reason why it kept happening to you.
Honestly I should have just asked you how you were informed that you cannot vote as soon as you said it. Though that may be breaking the no-host-correspondence rules.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Not to speak for Death, but that actually makes him seem more town to me, the fact that he didn't know the mechanic.

It also makes it seem like he's not paying enough attention, because when you said yesterday that your vote was removed for a second time I specifically asked you if you got a notification each night about it, and made you attempt a vote just to be sure.

There's no legitimate town reason for vote removal that I can think of, so whoever is doing this must be scum

Heh
In my defense this game is the most active and fastpaced I have seen in a while and I often have to catch up.
I do like big games tho.

htaeD posted...

Honestly I should have just asked you how you were informed that you cannot vote as soon as you said it.

you mean the thing I did yesterday? <_<

Yeah I know you asked that now >_>
(Tho I meant asking about it on day2)

Forceful_Dragon posted... [T10P47]

btw ctesjbuvf can you TRY to vote for us please? I'd like to confirm this is real with host votals if you don't mind.

And just to confirm you were informed of your affliction just before the start of each day?

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ctesjbuvf posted... [T10P48]

Sure

##vote: FD

Yes, before day began.

Just to add a citation, because I wasn't exactly sure when I said it but I remembered it was a thing that happened >_>

Forceful_Dragon posted...

you mean the thing I did yesterday? <_<

Yeah and I also even posted specifically D2 the first time.

##Unvote
##Vote: MI

Can't tell if Red's frustrations about being associated as scum with Peaf are genuine or not, but it gives me better vibes than anything MI has given today.

Though I'm not going to lie, Godfather fear is starting to settle in a bit.

I missed that too then.

Well to use a little more scumperspectiving, I guess they either can use it on others but dont want to reveal that, or they actually cant.
I am gonna assume the former just to be safe.

I really would have liked for Death to answer himself.

So you haven't payed attention, sure, whatever. But while assume it was permanent? It wasn't a thing D1.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I really would have liked for Death to answer himself.

So you haven't payed attention, sure, whatever. But while assume it was permanent? It wasn't a thing D1.

How could it be a thing D1? Its not like you claimed stump.

I just wondered if it was maybe a fancy extra pseudo-kill for scum that they used night1 and could not use again.

To be honest I also wonder why they used that power at all instead of keeping it hidden for Mylo.

##Vote: Ben
##Unvote

I still have #BuddyDoubt and I want that on record.

But between MI, Peaf and Red I still like the red lynch best. He's been posting more lately, but he's the player I'd be most afraid of if scum. Throw in the fact that the night kills haven't been targeted at Red/Blade/Death and it gives me fear at all 3 of them. I mean I guess we don't know what happened night 1, that one might have been targeted their way. But Isquen and Sbell were targeted on nights when all 3 of them were unclaimed. If you're shooting in the dark why not shoot at a bigger target?

So between the unscanned vanillas that leaves Red.

Blade I like because Troy as the True Repairman is perfect flavor, but it could also potentially have been Lopen's flavor.

And Death is specifically limited to godfather if Ulti's scans are real.

Which is all to say that red feels like the safest play.

##Vote: Red

htaeD posted...

How could it be a thing D1? Its not like you claimed stump.

I just wondered if it was maybe a fancy extra pseudo-kill for scum that they used night1 and could not use again.

To be honest I also wonder why they used that power at all instead of keeping it hidden for Mylo.

My current conspiracy theory is that it's because scum ctes has this as his drawback for doing some scummy and bad thing at night or something.

But just like with you and igcd i don't think it's critical to worry about right now. Maybe I'm making the same mistake that town made in Lea's last game where they left her puppet untouched.

It's possible.

Kirby, what do you think im doing as scum at night if the vote suppressor and night kill still occurred when i was blocked?

If Death didn't have a supposed innocent scan on him right now I would be attacking pretty hard, he looks super scum to me.

Well as hard as I can without a vote.

In a game where we've had scum redo and scum scan fucker it is a little bit ridiculous to ask Kirby to think up a role that you could be. Really feels heavy on the tmi there, where you know your scum role is not anything that Kirby could dream up.

You know if the vote suppressor is a scum power they massively fucked up by not using it on MZero. What an easy way to frame someone.

PeaceFrog posted...

In a game where we've had scum redo and scum scan fucker it is a little bit ridiculous to ask Kirby to think up a role that you could be. Really feels heavy on the tmi there, where you know your scum role is not anything that Kirby could dream up.

Look if the scum team is only 4 like I'm thinking then both scum have to be acting every night. So if you think I'm scum, you think there's 5.

I don't know off hand what kirby's thoughts were about scum team size.

But why does it ultimately matter what his thoughts are regarding team size? Town has no way of knowing for sure so outside of identifying possible lylo scenarios it isn't terribly relevant. No?

I also feel like I've done a lot today so I am quite irked at Kirby just handwaving it away

It feels like Kirby blocked me thinking he was going to stop a scum action and even though he didn't he didn't reanalyze anything and is just pushing forward on me.

Ctes this is beyond crackpot of me, i recognize that. But if you could test voting against every living player that would put me more at ease.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If Death didn't have a supposed innocent scan on him right now I would be attacking pretty hard, he looks super scum to me.

Well as hard as I can without a vote.

Well if its turns out I was right somehow, you can call me a prophet instead.

Turns out you were right about what

The voteblocker being a permanent effect instead of scum just continuously targeting you with it.

Mind you I no longer think that the former is the case.

PeaceFrog posted...

Ctes this is beyond crackpot of me, i recognize that. But if you could test voting against every living player that would put me more at ease.

Lmao.

##vote: Chang
##vote: Kirby
##vote: Blade
##vote: Ben
##vote: MZero
##vote: FD
##vote: IGCD
##vote: MI
##vote: Red
##vote: Peaf
##vote: Ulti
##vote: Death

Thanks. Checking against the remote possibility of your vote only not working against one person.

Sure.

I think I have tried two each day though. One test and one vote in spirit.

Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby), Peaf, FD
[2] MI - Ulti, Kirby
[0] (Ben) - (MI), (Ulti), (Ulti), (FD)
[0] Blade - (Ulti)
[0] FD - (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)
[0] MI - (Peaf)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Thursday, May 9th at 6 PM EST.

Would be hilarious if thats how the one doing it is found out.

Alas

TotallyNotMI posted...

You know if the vote suppressor is a scum power they massively fucked up by not using it on MZero. What an easy way to frame someone.

This feels like a critical point where there's something we're missing. Why is scum even risking using it on Ctes if there is a major risk of Mzero stealing it.

Unless they're just stupid again. But that would be the third game in a row now

I feel called out

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lmao.

##vote: Chang
##vote: Kirby
##vote: Blade
##vote: Ben
##vote: MZero
##vote: FD
##vote: IGCD
##vote: MI
##vote: Red
##vote: Peaf
##vote: Ulti
##vote: Death

You forgot to unvote so they didnt count

Lol.

Rules say it's not required.

Enchantress posted...

Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby), Peaf, FD
[2] MI - Ulti, Kirby

tbh I thought I was setting red to 4 when I voted. Kirby you're actually swapping to the person you RB'd last night? Over red who didn't start playing until halfway through d3?

TotallyNotMI posted...

Kirby, what do you think im doing as scum at night if the vote suppressor and night kill still occurred when i was blocked?

Hell if I know, dude. Ben pointed out that the scum vote stealer dude person could've also sent in the kill. We don't know. It's pure speculation. For all I care, you're the Godfather. That's not why I think you're scummy.

Honestly, I've been flip-flopping between you, Peaf, and Red. Like I said before, if I could triple day vig you all, I would.

Kirby321 posted...

Hell if I know, dude. Ben pointed out that the scum vote stealer dude person could've also sent in the kill. We don't know. It's pure speculation. For all I care, you're the Godfather. That's not why I think you're scummy.

Honestly, I've been flip-flopping between you, Peaf, and Red. Like I said before, if I could triple day vig you all, I would.

I felt similarly last night when talking to Mzero, but, at this point I think I like the other two much more than Red.

Maybe I just like peaf. Because if Red flipped town I would just be more convicned that Knightz really did town clear Blade, Peaf, and Red, than I would readily accept that Peaf was the scum between the two of them >.<

I can a least say this. There is no way scum is Peaf + MI OR Peaf + Red

Just Peaf in that group of 3 is possible. Two that are not Peaf is possible.

This is why: Peaf early on day 2 says the POE is himself/Red/and MI and that we should all be looking at them and no one else.

Yes it is weird to include himself, but it tells us one thing. If peaf is scum then he's trying to sacrifice himself to protect someone not in that POE. He wants town to burn through that POE while someone on the side gets to the end. I do not think Peaf is the first to call out that POE if both him and his scummate are in it. He is always trying to get us to focus on that POE.

So either Peaf is the only scum in the trio or he is not paired with another scum in it. That's the vibe i get.

For the record I am feeling better about peaf today.

Which ultimately is confusing me.

But hey

PunishedBen posted...

If peaf is scum then he's trying to sacrifice himself to protect someone not in that POE. He wants town to burn through that POE while someone on the side gets to the end. I do not think Peaf is the first to call out that POE if both him and his scummate are in it. He is always trying to get us to focus on that POE.

Plausible. I'm getting ahead of everything, but let's suppose Peaf is scum and Red and MI are town. Who would be the scummate that Peaf would be trying to protect?

PunishedBen posted...

So either Peaf is the only scum in the trio or he is not paired with another scum in it. That's the vibe i get.

This makes it sound like either you think I'm the only scum in the pile of 3 unscanned nillas or you think I'm the only scum in the pile of 3 unscanned nillas. Can you elaborate?

PeaceFrog posted...

This makes it sound like either you think I'm the only scum in the pile of 3 unscanned nillas or you think I'm the only scum in the pile of 3 unscanned nillas. Can you elaborate?

With all due respect, Peaf, maybe you should actually read what Ben said instead of skipping to the end...

That statement was made with the conditional that you flip scum. Ben literally said in the prior post that he liked you lol

He's saying that if you're scum, the neither Red nor MI are your scumbuddies

Yeah i appreciated that analysis but his conclusion seemed to me like he meant to say one thing and out came another. Like why have the "or" in there.

But I'm definitely curious who you guys conclude i would be protecting. I suspect Blade would argue that I'm protecting Ben given how he treated us as a pair on day 3.