Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 11 - Ancient B8 Mafia History (2009-2011)

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Leafeon13N posted...

Yes please tell us the master plan of bussing the fuck out of each other as your supposed final scumteam.

Holy fuck.

Didnt the same happen to our scumteam last game basically?

Assuming it's only the two of us remaining, whichever one of us survives looks a heck of a lot better in final 3. It's not absurd in a vacuum, but also would be ballsy as hell to come in with on day 3 after losing super op role Knightz d1 and wallz d2.

But like others have said, scum needs a long shot at that point. It's a wrong conclusion but at least he's coming up with something, red. Relax.

Also I have to drop out to work soon if you all are seriously going to entertain peaf/red scumteam i dont know what the fuck to do to fix any of you.

So I'm hoping some of you will actually show up and talk sense because arguing nonsense is fucking painful.

Simple answer is maybe MI is just scum but i actually fucking need help and opinions from the rest of you and if somehow town actually thinks me and peaf are aligned i dont know what the fuck to do because it means you all went full insanity brained.

PeaceFrog posted...

But like others have said, scum needs a long shot at that point. It's a wrong conclusion but at least he's coming up with something, red. Relax.

Me relax when someone is trying to kill me based on something blatantly wrong.

No fuck that.

Leafeon13N posted...

Simple answer is maybe MI is just scum but i actually fucking need help and opinions from the rest of you and if somehow town actually thinks me and peaf are aligned i dont know what the fuck to do because it means you all went full insanity brained.

I gave my opinions on mi but i don't think you value them :(

I'd like if anyone else can chime in with how they interpret Knightz' vote on him d1 in hindsight, and their other interactions on d1.

I think mi had a really ugly topic 9 but his t1 looks pretty town. So I'm definitely torn.

If I could just triple day vig you all, I would.

PeaceFrog posted...

I'd like if anyone else can chime in with how they interpret Knightz' vote on him d1 in hindsight, and their other interactions on d1.

I mean, if we think Knightz was extremely sincere, then the answer is obvious.

In one post, he said you, Red, and Blade were "blatently" town.

In another post, he votes MI saying "if anyone is scum, it's him."

So at face value, MI is the clear scum if Knightz is to be taken seriously. I don't quite feel comfortable putting full faith into that logic, but there's an answer to your question.

PeaceFrog posted...

I gave my opinions on mi but i don't think you value them :(

I'd like if anyone else can chime in with how they interpret Knightz' vote on him d1 in hindsight, and their other interactions on d1.

I think mi had a really ugly topic 9 but his t1 looks pretty town. So I'm definitely torn.

You mean this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3b6dc49a.png
It did look completely out of nowhere at first, but i think MI's own interpretation makes sense that maybe Knightz was just echoing others around him. He did do that quite a bit, even in his first town game.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef66e4e0.png
I'm also trying to treat Knightz' spew as less valuable on the chance that he didnt have much interaction with his scummates on discord and didnt always know who they were.

If he did, it still points to Red and Peaf both being town...and that feels impossible right now

Do you have no remaining scan options other than red?

Like Peaf

I personally would prefer you scan mi over red because i think the case against red without a scan is stronger than the one against mi without a scan.

But either one is great.

Leafeon13N posted...

Has ctes said this is refreshing or is it just the same action running in perpetuity?

I have been told at the end of each night.

Oh and someone asked for confirmation

##vote: Peaf

This will not count.

I guess scum killing your scan target tonight wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for us. It would mean they're not targeting someone of more worth than me/red/mi

because if we think someone is scum we should lynch them, not keep them around to be scanned. What if red is godfather and you think you've confirmed him?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I have been told at the end of each night.

Odd. I figured that it was just a permanent targeting power. Now it sounds like they really just dislike you.
Either that or its a power that can be removed through some means.

T5 pages 4 and 5 has mi calling wallz town and saying he much preferred to lynch knightz over him, but also him setting up space to bus wallz if the role he claims isn't actually confirmable.

Wallz claims in t6, # 361. Mi asks him how that is confirmable in # 366, says he doesn't like it in # 389 (and that he also didn't like Corrik's). Votes for wallz in # 430, as the second vote on him after... ctes? I thought he didn't have a vote on d2? T7, pg1.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Votals showing why I am earning that C-

[2] Wallz- Ctes, MI

[1] Chang - (MI), (Isquen), IGCD

[1] Kirby - (Ulti), isquen

[1] Blade - Corrik

[1] Corrik- Ben

[0] Death- (Ctes)

see I told you C- should be fixed now

That feels like a natural progression to me from mi, regarding wallz' timeline and claim. But one of the best things scum can do is get on one of their mate's lynches early. Perhaps mi was planning on getting off and the Chang surprise took that option away.

TotallyNotMI posted...

because if we think someone is scum we should lynch them, not keep them around to be scanned. What if red is godfather and you think you've confirmed him?

Then he'd be in the same bucket as Ctes and death. What's your point?

PeaceFrog posted...

Then he'd be in the same bucket as Ctes and death. What's your point?

That we can't fully rely on scans right now yes. I'm getting more suspicious of death as time goes on.

Leafeon13N posted...

This is a stretch imo ben. Definitely shouldn't be flavor clearing from your pov because its a weird mistske for both of you to make at once.

And all I can really say is: Season fucking four

It's more or less an abomination.

They original show runner got fired after season 3 (and rehired after season 4) and season 4 is just a weird speed bump in an already weird show.

Evil Pierce is both found to exists and is killed in the span of a single scene in an awful episode of the awful season. The only thing I remember and the episode is that it's a BAD personal episode and the evil study group shows up to take over the good one, but Pierce's death was an established part of that narrative.

At the beginning of season 5 they reference that the school had a gas leak which was fixed but it caused everyone to act weird. (Aka the shows way of season season 4 basically doesn't count)

The logic of 'I want to scan this guy so let's lynch the person who wants to lynch him' is bad and makes me think that Ulti could be claiming Lopen's role and that Red is the Godfather and Ulti wants to get the scan off here tonight.

Like, if Ulti is town and actually thinks Blade could be scum faking doctor and now is tricked into having to let him live, he could scan Blade tonight! He has lots of options of actions he should do and 'grr no i will only scan red' doesn't feel legit

Leafeon13N posted...

These are in fact on the table, yes.

Hell if i was in your position as town I'd be paranoid that he had access to your chats somehow with a flavor mistake that glaring and on the nose.

I don't need to read anyone else's chat. I KNOW this flavor to a T. Just not the shit from the season that doesn't count. I've seen season 1-3 at least ten times. I've seen 5-6 a few times each. I've seen season 4 exactly once except for maybe the anime foosball scene.

But the evil study group has a few cutaway moments in season 3 and in all of those they reference Pierce's death.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I said Im scanning Red tonight 100% and magically hes the vote leader? No thanks.

Your scan doesn't mean anything, especially on the vanillas unless a gf flips. If there's a gf I don't think it would also be a jailkeeper or a taunter or something, so it's likely in the vanillas. I'd much rather you scan Ben tonight.

TotallyNotMI posted...

That we can't fully rely on scans right now yes. I'm getting more suspicious of death as time goes on.

Yeah, Death is playing almost exactly like I'd expect him to as scum. I agree.

I am not sure what time has to do with suspecting me, MI.

Plus I trust that none of you are silly enough to actually godfather hunt

Also I dont know what to tell you Peaf. I am town and this is how I act as town.

Of course if you are scum I get it. You need to sow paranoia and you have wanted my mislynch from the start.

PeaceFrog posted...

Votes for wallz in # 430, as the second vote on him after... ctes? I thought he didn't have a vote on d2? T7, pg1.

Sultan corrected the votals a little bit after that to remove mine.

I do agree that its more worthwhile for Ulti to scan Ben or Blade
Well maybe Blade less since nothing proves he has a docpower of course.
I still trust FD, but down the line that may be worthwile too.

i am also starting to get suspicious of death

htaeD posted...

I am not sure what time has to do with suspecting me, MI.

Plus I trust that none of you are silly enough to actually godfather hunt

It's not time specifically and more so that I feel like you're doing less and coasting off the scan a little bit.

I have no interest in lynching you today. But the paranoia is building.

I cant help but feel unpopular.

I admit my activity today has not been great, but it was a busy day for me.

TotallyNotMI posted...

It's not time specifically and more so that I feel like you're doing less and coasting off the scan a little bit.

I have no interest in lynching you today. But the paranoia is building.

Okay thats fair, see post above.
A lot of suspicions at once that just make me in turn suspicious.
But I suppose that is a concern for later. (and if I am lucky and we nail the godfather, it wont be a concern ever)

Oh yeah Mzero could be scanned too I guess

Then again godfather could just a role stapled unto taunter for all I know. Seems risky tho.

Right, i think killing a vanilla with no inno scan today makes more sense than killing a vanilla with an inno scan.

But until a gf flips, you're my top gf suspect :) it's not your fault that you haven't tripped my "ding ding ding death is totes town" radar yet. Perhaps my signals are getting rusty now that it's been so long since we were scum together in that ill-fated game where Kirby shot me out of desperate revenge.

Tekken Mafia?
Perhaps
And I suppose its balanced in a way since you are one of my top suspects atm

I also think I see where Reds anger comes from considering how much Peaf focused on Red day3 it would feel almost ridiculous to assume Peaf was Reds partner.

Yeah i had started to refine my deathdar before then but that game is where it really became crystal clear for me.

So from my pov - we probably have 2 or 3 scum left. I know i am not one. It's possible that red and mi are both scum but it seems increasingly unlikely. So if i go with the only possibilities:

1. Either red OR MI are scum, and there are 2 remaining, or
2. Both red AND MI are scum, and there are 2 remaining
3. Both red AND MI are scum, and there are 3 remaining, or
4. Neither red OR MI are scum, and there are 2 or 3 remaining

Then in all but one of those worlds there is at least one scum outside of that duo. I'm most suspicious of death, Blade, igcd, ctes, mzero, and Ulti in that order. Two of them have inno scans, one has claimed doc, one has claimed taunter, one has claimed cop, and one has claimed eventual vig. I feel that at least 1 of those 6 will self- resolve by d5, probably 2 by d6.

We have 13 alive. Even in absurdo world where this game has 6 scum and they have insanely strong powers when lea constantly jokes about how bad b8 town's are, let's go through the math for worst case scenario.

9/4
Mislynch and night kill
7/4 tomorrow
Mislynch and night kill
5/4 on d6, lylo

So we have at least 2 mislynches, except in the world where igcd is telling the truth and shoots town at lylo. So don't do that.

I have faith that even if you guys kill me today, you have enough room for error and enough power to close it out. If anyone who isn't Blade or red wants to get rid of me just to avoid the walls and crazy tunneling and conspiracy theories in future days, that's fine too. No offense taken, i promise.

6 scum + vanisher + whatever hit Ctes seems too much.

(I know you werent saying that, but I just wanted to state my own assessment)

Tldr - even with Corrik insanity and Peaf badness, town is probably far enough ahead and has enough going for it that we're going to be fine no matter which of me/ red/ mi you kill today. Take your pick for whatever feels right for you and don't let the bullying of anyone else override where your heart takes you.

htaeD posted...

(I know you werent saying that, but I just wanted to state my own assessment)

Yeah that was strictly a worst case scenario evaluation. Realistically i put the number of available mislynches for us to be at 3.

But you bring up a really good point, Death. In that situation where it's 5/4 if a town can't vote then it will go to tiebreaker. I'll need to go look back at what the rules are for this game to see if that could be a scum win condition.

I'd assume Ctes still counts towards majority. But since he cant vote scum would control the game as soon as its 3town/2scum, 2 town/1scum etc etc.
Which does create an ill omen for us since we are at odd numbers already.

Then again perhaps Ctes can vote again at Mylo. It depends on how Lea balanced the powers.

Enchantress posted...

- If two or more players are tied in votes at the end of the day, I will randomly choose one of the tied players to be lynched. No Lynch is an exception and will always be chosen if it is among the tied options. If you dislike this rule, do not let the day end in a tie.

So the 4 scum (if we started with 6) could all vote no Lynch, it would win tie breaker, and then they could night kill and then win. Even if it gets blocked they could do the same thing the following day.

So until that ability from scum is removed, lylo could be moved up a day.

In which case if Lea put 6 scum in this game she is really giving cruel a new definition here.

Still, a good thing for us to be aware of when thinking through the numbers of 4 or 5 scum.

Huh. that rule feels like it was designed to punish scum for trying to abuse the voteblocking power at MyLo, except the Nolynch clause removes the punishment factor again.
So yeah we should consider ourselves 1 day closer to Mislynch.

Unless Lopen really was kidnapped and he returns once we kill the culprit. But that a mere hope.