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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 7:12:00 AM
#101:


I already thought Ben was not on scum team but this post from knightz early in t1 really seals the deal there.

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Kirby321
05/08/24 7:24:40 AM
#102:


htaeD posted...
Also Ben why did you never neighbor me? I am curious.

Why is everyone's first response to a neighbor claim "why didn't you neighbor me?" You and MI both asked this, and the answer is obvious: neither of you were claimed power. Or in the case of N1, Ben Chang is a worthy meme.

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 7:38:19 AM
#103:


The vote on mi from Knightz has had me puzzled. It was in t1, # 250.
The last vote before it was igcd voting then unvoting for mi in the same post (said nothing about mi otherwise).
Mi called Knightz scared scum at the top of the page but also didn't want to gang up on the new guy, and wrote off all of knightz' posts as just him being new. Ignored Ulti saying "no this is very major tonal shift from last game where Knightz was town." Responded to knightz' vote on him with "elaborate because it looks like you're mimicking the last vote you saw".

Only Taco and Ulti had votes on Knightz at the time. Wallz had not yet voted for him. Obviously can't say for sure without knowing the whole picture, but it feels quite early in the game for Knightz to be trying to deflect attention from himself towards other players that he knows are scum.

I think I'm concluding that mi is potentially town. And the reason why he wasn't pushed over wallz/ Knightz at eod1 by scum is because 1, they had an uncoordinated member anyway (Knightz ultimately moved his vote to Chang where it languished, alone); 2, they were worried about the damage that Knightz could continue to do to them; 3, if they tried to save Knightz then it would look pretty bad when he inevitably cracks and dies.

So looking back at the eod votes on Knightz.
[8] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, (IGCD), Ulti, Death, (IGCD)

Kirby is town. Ulti claims cop and is part of the impasse loop. Death has an inno scan on him that we can be skeptical of. The other unconfirmed on Knightz were Mzero, fd, and mi. Mzero taunter, goes along with sbell's role. Fd claimed pineapple vendor and chang confirms the flavor of it all, with pierce not being among the evil study group. Which just leaves us with... Mi, god dammit.

So the question i really have to ask myself is, do i think wallz is the only scum on the Knightz lynch d1? I really don't. And I've completely talked myself in a circle here on mi.

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 7:51:30 AM
#104:


As much as I agree with too many vanillas (and brought it up myself!) ...I think I'm most interested in lynching Ben today. His flavor and his role don't make sense with the rest of this town. I don't buy it.

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 7:52:54 AM
#105:


red13n posted...
But does FD giving love or whatever provide a definitive flavor clear? Cause in a mafia sense its not alignment indicative but beyond that I couldn't comment.
Pierce freezed his sperm in canister.

FD gives canisters of 'love'

I buy it.

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Kirby321
05/08/24 7:53:21 AM
#106:


Oh, right, I never claimed my night action.

I jailed MI last night. That being said, that just proves he didn't do the kill. I don't feel very keen on MI regardless.

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 7:53:47 AM
#107:


Pop pop? :(

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 7:59:25 AM
#108:


Town:
3. Chang
6. FD
8. Kirby
12. Mzero (Replaced Taco)

Town unless their claiming Lopen's power but I ultimately trust them both:
2. Blade
13. Ulti

Town enough I don't want to lynch them today but I have less faith:
4. Ctes
5. Death (But I do have Godfather fear!)
7. IGCD

The Rest:
1. Ben
10. Peaf
11. Red

Where my head is at

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 8:02:01 AM
#109:


What funny, mi, is my list is almost identical. Swap you for me and move the category of Blade and Ulti to be equivalent to the third as far as how towny i think they are, and that's where i stand.

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 8:02:59 AM
#110:


Oh and i have Ben closer to the top.

Ok so like 3 changes, that's it

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 8:13:44 AM
#111:


I do want to hear from Blade why he thought Red was town power and now that Red is claiming vanilla if that changes how Blade feels about him

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MZero
05/08/24 8:15:22 AM
#112:


I still think the SBell kill is weird if Ben is scum because he knew I was targeting. It was a free roleblock and potential mislynch since he knew I targeted him and died. Ben is town imo

also as I told him in the chat his secretive neighboring ways reminded me of FE:A mafia where he secretly recruited basically the entire town into his masonry and ruthlessly slaughtered my scum team

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 8:18:37 AM
#113:


MZero posted...
I still think the SBell kill is weird if Ben is scum because he knew I was targeting. It was a free roleblock and potential mislynch since he knew I targeted him and died. Ben is town imo
This is a fair point, which just makes me thing the 4 + 1 theory is right and Ben is the +1.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/08/24 8:20:00 AM
#114:


TotallyNotMI posted...
This is a fair point, which just makes me thing the 4 + 1 theory is right and Ben is the +1.
You think he is trying to mimick that kind of play as scum this game?

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 8:20:41 AM
#115:


what

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IfGodCouldDie
05/08/24 8:22:08 AM
#116:


TotallyNotMI posted...
what

MZero posted...
also as I told him in the chat his secretive neighboring ways reminded me of FE:A mafia where he secretly recruited basically the entire town into his masonry and ruthlessly slaughtered my scum team


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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 8:28:43 AM
#117:


I know nothing about that game and have no opinion on that.

But there is a pretty big difference between neighboring and masonry.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/08/24 8:49:40 AM
#118:


TotallyNotMI posted...
I know nothing about that game and have no opinion on that.

But there is a pretty big difference between neighboring and masonry.
I meant based on the description of the play made

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Forceful_Dragon
05/08/24 9:11:15 AM
#119:


red13n posted...
But does FD giving love or whatever provide a definitive flavor clear? Cause in a mafia sense its not alignment indicative but beyond that I couldn't comment.

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ctesjbuvf posted...
FD is town unless his role can somehow switch into the evil version of the charcater (I don't know the flavor well).

I'm glad we learned there was a clear flavor split before I had to claim. While Pierce is ultimately a good guy, he is sometimes played as the jerk of the group, but at the end of the day he doesn't have an "Evil" version like the others do. The other 6 turn evil because in that timeline Pierce was accidentally killed by the gun from Annie's purse.

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TotallyNotMI posted...
Pierce freezed his sperm in canister.

FD gives canisters of 'love'

I buy it.

Yeah <_<

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changmas
05/08/24 9:14:12 AM
#120:


red13n posted...
I guess I have to defer here and I hate to ask this.

But does FD giving love or whatever provide a definitive flavor clear? Cause in a mafia sense its not alignment indicative but beyond that I couldn't comment.

he is definitely Pierce, as he says. Pierce is not explicitly tied to being town, as Chevy Chase the actor basically said racist slurs on set and got kicked off the show, resulting in the character leaving the study group and eventually getting written out entirely (and dying). So that could be 3p.

but given that hes claimed the role and all of his targets its hard to imagine a 3p win con dangerous to town that wouldnt immediately expose him as the responsible party.

so hes like 98% clear in my book


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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 9:15:49 AM
#121:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I'm glad we learned there was a clear flavor split before I had to claim. While Pierce is ultimately a good guy, he is sometimes played as the jerk of the group, but at the end of the day he doesn't have an "Evil" version like the others do. The other 6 turn evil because in that timeline Pierce was accidentally killed by the gun from Annie's purse.
This isn't true though

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Forceful_Dragon
05/08/24 9:16:30 AM
#122:


I mean sure. 100% not-scum aligned, but not 100% town aligned if you want to entertain pineapple 3p.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/08/24 9:17:35 AM
#123:


TotallyNotMI posted...
This isn't true though

-_-

Fuck season 4 I honestly didn't remember.

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 9:20:27 AM
#124:


I understand the Ben skepticism but i think we should go on one of the vanillas today unless ctes gives us a better path with his claim.

I've made my case for myself (locked myself into flavor in my first post, acting the same as i did in another game where i was town vanilla, pushed day 3 to not be a simple railroad on corrik even at risk to myself) and against red (focus on his reactions to Corrik/ Blade, him never putting a vote down on day 3, his soft defense of knightz and when directly asked about wallz said "idk who is that is he angry", and later changes to call him the "safe lynch").

I don't know if I'll have time to look more into mi in the next 12 hours than i already did, which was a bit inconclusive.

So i really think this is the best direction to go.

##Unvote
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ctesjbuvf
05/08/24 9:22:51 AM
#125:


PeaceFrog posted...
Can you please elaborate on "wallz interactions"? From my pov that's pretty vague and since i know it gets you to the wrong answer I'd love to help explain any of my past posts and tell you where i was coming from at the time.

It is based on his posts. If he ever tried to call a scummate town it has to be you since Isquen flipped. And he couldn't really justify it.

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ctesjbuvf
05/08/24 9:24:51 AM
#126:


I will probably look over the interaction again later although not being able to vote anyway demotivates it a little bit.

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ctesjbuvf
05/08/24 9:37:08 AM
#127:


Kirby321 posted...
Why is everyone's first response to a neighbor claim "why didn't you neighbor me?"

In my case it was a joke because I am jealous I'm like the only person to never be in such.

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htaeD
05/08/24 9:38:20 AM
#128:


Ben wise, is there an evil character that could even have his role?

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htaeD
05/08/24 9:40:54 AM
#130:


I also did expect Red to claim power scanner of sorts. But I didnt want to say it out loud because it would have just maybe made Scum shot Red sooner.
Wasted concerns I guess

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Forceful_Dragon
05/08/24 9:48:35 AM
#132:


htaeD posted...
Ben wise, is there an evil character that could even have his role?

Everyone in the evil study group was trying to replace their prime selves. None of the evils were particularly recruiter-y, but maybe something weird would happen if Ben was an Evil ___ role and he neighborized his town equivalent? If he were Evil Britta and he neighbor'd Britta for example?

The most likely "bad guy" from the show though would be Vice Dean Laybourne, head of the air conditioning repair school who went to great lengths to get troy to join his AC repair program.

Or he's just Buddy in one of the oddest flavor inclusions I can think of.

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 9:50:07 AM
#133:


That feels like just changing role of three to rule of two, but ok. I'd argue that there were others town reading me on d1 so maybe wallz was trying to blend in to that, but i don't know what that timing was like off hand.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/08/24 9:50:15 AM
#134:


UltimaterializerX posted...
We need to ban roles like this from the community btw

bearing in mind that there is an above 0% chance that ctes has removed his OWN vote for some unknown purpose?

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TotallyNotMI
05/08/24 9:54:32 AM
#135:


I don't know if there are scum characters that would fit Ben's role but there are some 3P options that have already been discussed (Chang, Glee Club, Laybourne)

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ctesjbuvf
05/08/24 9:58:45 AM
#137:


PeaceFrog posted...
That feels like just changing role of three to rule of two, but ok. I'd argue that there were others town reading me on d1 so maybe wallz was trying to blend in to that, but i don't know what that timing was like off hand.

Well I didn't do much about initially because sure it could be a pocket attempt, but it also helps that I feel like you are the player that have the least cases for being town. Wallz also mentioned others than you two, but those sounded more forced, then he later twisted and said it wasn't top two but just some two. His two suspected scum in the same post are confirmed town now for what it's worth.

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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 10:06:02 AM
#138:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Well I didn't do much about initially because sure it could be a pocket attempt, but it also helps that I feel like you are the player that have the least cases for being town. Wallz also mentioned others than you two, but those sounded more forced, then he later twisted and said it wasn't top two but just some two. His two suspected scum in the same post are confirmed town now for what it's worth.
See #124.

When directly asked about wallz, red refused to give any opinion on him at all. He only talked about him in reference to a past scum game, to which Blade has said multiple times is a totally different situation to this day 1 (but not in reply to red, instead in reply to me talking about Blade's bussing habits). His entire game has been to be "here" and look like he's contributing and participating, but he really hasn't.

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htaeD
05/08/24 10:09:19 AM
#139:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
bearing in mind that there is an above 0% chance that ctes has removed his OWN vote for some unknown purpose?

He does scan innocent on top of that then, if we believe Ulti.

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Leafeon13N
05/08/24 10:12:34 AM
#140:


PeaceFrog posted...


When directly asked about wallz, red refused to give any opinion on him at all.
I'm pretty sure i said wallz was the safe lynch compared to corrik.
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Leafeon13N
05/08/24 10:14:54 AM
#141:


TotallyNotMI posted...
This is a fair point, which just makes me thing the 4 + 1 theory is right and Ben is the +1.
What.
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PeaceFrog
05/08/24 10:16:36 AM
#142:


Leafeon13N posted...
I'm pretty sure i said wallz was the safe lynch compared to corrik.
Yeah, later in day 2. I included that in my run up, don't you worry. But also, safe lynch over corrik/blade is a very safe comment itself.

I'm specifically talking day 1 for that, when there was a lot more volatility in the lynch. The post from Wallz that Ctes is referring to was on day 1 iirc, so it's relevant to keep the time frame apples to apples.

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PunishedBen
05/08/24 10:23:15 AM
#143:


If MI was blocked then it means he not only didn't do the kill, but also didn't vote block ctes.

What's curious is that mafia have continued to use the vote block even though they were in horrible danger of that player being taunted each night. It's starting to feel like they're not worried about that happening. Is that risk really worth it to block ctes? Or, the most likely scenario is that the killer is just the same person doing the vote block.

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Leafeon13N
05/08/24 10:23:53 AM
#144:


PeaceFrog posted...
Yeah, later in day 2. I included that in my run up, don't you worry. But also, safe lynch over corrik/blade is a very safe comment itself.
No, it really isnt. I always talk about making the safe play when town is up.

If I'm scum there, i push corrik, easy. Especially with wallz also being a broken as heck role. And only having to talk to chang.
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PunishedBen
05/08/24 10:24:25 AM
#145:


TotallyNotMI posted...
His flavor and his role don't make sense with the rest of this town. I don't buy it.
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Leafeon13N
05/08/24 10:26:01 AM
#146:


PunishedBen posted...
If MI was blocked then it means he not only didn't do the kill, but also didn't vote block ctes.
Has ctes said this is refreshing or is it just the same action running in perpetuity?
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PunishedBen
05/08/24 10:26:09 AM
#147:


I've been waiting to use that one. What if I was
Leafeon13N posted...
No, it really isnt. I always talk about making the safe play when town is up.

If I'm scum there, i push corrik, easy. Especially with wallz also being a broken as heck role. And only having to talk to chang.
Who did you push if NOT corrik?

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Leafeon13N
05/08/24 10:28:17 AM
#148:


PunishedBen posted...
I've been waiting to use that one. What if I was

Who did you push if NOT corrik?
Literally said to lynch wallz over him.
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PunishedBen
05/08/24 10:28:22 AM
#149:


Leafeon13N posted...
Has ctes said this is refreshing or is it just the same action running in perpetuity?
By his reaction at the start of days he seems to get a notification that he's blocked each night

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PunishedBen
05/08/24 10:29:49 AM
#150:


Leafeon13N posted...
Literally said to lynch wallz over him.
Oh, I guess I was thinking day 3. Don't think Wallz had any room to be protected by his team though when Kirby claimed roleblock on wallz.

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