From: saveus_Maria | #321 Kan, what are the two watches for? The more you tell us about your role and what powers you actually have, the less reason I have to suspect you.
Found them in the trial room. They might do nothing, but their fluff text mentioned that anyone who'd wear them would have to be insane. Not role-related.
I have no idea, my role doesn't say anything about anatomy. it's more related to the crime lab I have and being able to run fingerprint, DNA, and hair comparison tests on people
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sorry if I'm not inclined to trust you about lying how fast you can run when you've already tried to hide your trophy and the very fact that you can move from place to place faster is what makes you the most likely culprit
So basically, you're gambling on me being 'TOO FAST', have no justification, have been unable to build a plausible scenario in which I killed Ryoko, and your evidence is nonexistent. Surely you can all see how poorly this works, gents?
why do you keep saying stuff like that when we all already know you're much faster than us. it is so damn scummy.
Because I'm not 'much faster'. I can move faster than most, but there's a difference between 'move fast' and 'do something in ten seconds flat'. KCF could move faster than me if he so chose to give you an idea.
-If I killed Ryoko, I had to do it after Spiral got done with getting his ass kicked and before 2:30. -I had to finish killing her much earlier than that to actually lug the fat suit and body to the right location. -I couldn't place them in the laundry room that night because they'd have been found. -I had a very very limited time window to move them to the Laundry Room, because I was stuck in the Trial Room for a day. It might not even be possible for me to do that, in fact, haven't checked whether it fits exactly.
From: shadosneko | #246 Taking a look at the game opening, Tom probably doesn't have any powers really. He's just kinda there.
And yet I was kinda there too and I have one. Sooooooo
From: Dark_Spiral | #247 Ryoko was on the first floor when she was killed, I think that's been proven at this point. She took off her fatsuit in preparation to go for the duck near the baths. Emphasis on near. You're assuming she was killed in an area people were around at the time to cover yourself.
This still leaves us with a fishy timeline, even if (*if*) it solves the issue of location. Do you have any dates for how long you and Biscuit were out fighting? As I recall you passed by the baths for a while, which reduces the window I could have killed Ryoko in further and further.
From: Dark_Spiral | #239 No blood is easy. You left the knife in her. The knife penetrated her heart, she didn't even have time to scream. You carried both, you could be a super high school level track star for all we know and be able to lift a lot. We never did see your trophy.
Uhh....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but while a heart injury is lethal, it's not immediately so - Ryoko WOULD have time to say something if she were stabbed there. Not a lot, but she could scream for help. Additionally, you're also not explaining how I managed to tag her when she got up to the second floor and I didn't.
From: Dark_Spiral | #233 Haha, so many people are going to die for not having voted in Ryoko's murder.
Everybody is going to die, except her killer. Let's not kid ourselves. Seriously, be level with me, Spiral - just how do you think I managed to kill Ryoko and keep it all hidden with no blood, no sound, no second floor, and all the while busy lugging the fat suit around?
From: saveus_Maria | #215 It's not that they're not being interrogated it's that they are LITERALLY not here. Although yeah at this point it is starting to get a little fishy. You think Tom would at the very least show up and vote or try to defend himself or say what he did that night by this point.
This is why I want votes on him. I'm seriously going to be killed with three freakin' votes because nobody's checked other people. That's BS and I'm not gonna let everybody throw the game this way.
Because I refuse to let him go. Somebody put some votes on him so he'll give us an alibi. It's ridiculous that I'm about to be executed and some people aren't even being interrogated.
From: Haguile | #198 Excuse me, the unknown drug has been foreshadowed in the very first post of the game. Go to Lukerfaqs and check the opening post for topic 1. OH YEAH BABY.
Confirming this. I even mentione Destrucity while chatting with Tom.
(Speaking of which, Tom should get his ass in here. I'm refusing to die just because he's playing the lurking game.)
From: Anagram | #303 KanzarisKelshen posted... From: Anagram | #299 Ederax and Hillalee's outfit doesn't look anything like Vivi's? And she doesn't really look like them, does she? Yes it does. Cover the front a bit and look at it again.
Only the sleeves, pants, and the fact they're both dark-skinned and have long hair. Technically the shoes, but I can basically only draw two types of footwear anyway (shoe and boot), so I wouldn't count that. They both have V-necks, but Vivi's is far larger and her clothes don't actually connect. I guess they're reasonably similar, now that I say all of that, but if they look alike, it's a coincidence.
If it had been intended, I'd have made the jailors all sorcerers, since Vivi is a sorcerer and sorcery is in the blood and not a learned trait.
Didn't say it was intended, just that they looked alike. You're reading too deep into this, bossman! :P
From: Sceptilesolar | #308 plot twist twist: the former Third Hand is small bombs
From: Anagram | #293 Hey guys I hope you don't mind if I interrupt your discussion about Platonic conceptions of morality with an image of a ludicrously busty level 21 sorceress.
I *just* realized how similar to Ederax and Hillalee's outfit Vivi's is. She could pass for their long lost twin.
From: SovietOmega | #289 Is it so hard to imagine that a society with a completely different constitution and culture could arrive at moral principles that are different from another, and that in such a way be not objectively moral to every other sentient being that is capable of moral judgement?
That is like saying that FPS games are the perfect game for everyone. You can justify it all you want, but different ways of life and different ideals hold different weights to different people. I dislike absolutes. They are a shallow imitation of life's rich complexity.
Yeah. A basic concept of objective morality is inalienable rights. EVERYBODY believes in these to an extent or another - the only source of debate is how broadly they apply.
(if this line of thinking is irrelevant, Haguile, just let us know now ie if it wouldn't affect things)
Don't think he could unless he was pointing us toward a different solution, which would be interference. But yeah, dorm room structure matters a bunch here.
From: Dark_Spiral | #411 Kanz also made mention of describing her death and saying it would take a lot of time, purposely ignoring the fact he can move faster than everyone else. That comment alone is extremely suspect.
Believe me, this went through my head as I typed it, but what the hell, I'm going to die if I get the culprit wrong. I have nothing to lose by actually giving a hand in the investigation instead of just whining like a baby about how you're all going to be sorry for suspecting me. But think about it now Spiral. We have a timestamp on me. I couldn't have killed Ryoko after 2:30. So I'd have to catch her with enough time to spare to get the kill, lug her around, make sure I'm clean, go into the bathroom, and all while the fight between you and Biscuit is on. How do my actions fit the timeline?
From: shadosneko | #402 Says the man that's the fastest person in the game.
I am fast, yes. This doesn't make me The Flash. If I'm expecting somebody to be sluggish and they're quicker than I'm expecting, things are going to get messy, unless I'm so much faster that I can somehow still get a clean kill against a wary target. How fast do you think I'd have to be to pull it off?
From: Sceptilesolar | #279 on the other hand bullying her into behaving well is literally the worst possible method you could have chosen for learrette because she delights in being contradictory
also humanity is inherently good and objective morality exists suck it
From: KamikazePotato | #396 They lugged Ryoko and the fat suit back to their own room? Instead of just stashing it anywhere else? And no one noticed?
It's possible but goddamn would it be stupid.
From: Dark_Spiral | #397 It's a pretty big risk, all it takes is once person hanging around to screw them.
Agreed. I'm not saying it doesn't have holes...but we need to reconstruct this murder before we start looking for culprits. It's simply not that easy to kill Ryoko - she'd move faster than the killer would have expected if she had the fat suit on, and if she didn't, she'd have to be seriously distracted. I'm almost wondering if there isn't a way some slow acting drug couldn't have KO'd her while she was out roaming. That makes a bit more sense, since it would give the killer enough time to notice the fat suit and kill Ryoko cleanly.
Thanks for the vote of 'confidence', Lisel. That murder scenario makes some sense, at least, so let's see where it leads. Who hadn't left by the time the fight started? I was out already, but don't know what everybody else was doing.
From: Solfadore | #368 ^ It was the same night Ryoko disappeared.
So while everybody was distracted, it COULD have been possible to catch Ryoko, murder her, and stash her into the room if your room was in the right place. Super risky, but possible.
Really, what gets me about this murder is how hard it is to devise a murder scenario. You just can't score such a clean kill without one of the following conditions:
A) Completely unawares. B) Incapable of resisting (drugged, poisoned). C) Corollary of the above: asleep.
Any other possible situations in which such a clean kill might have happened that I missed?
From: Dark_Spiral | #352 Mine was checked d2, I think everyone else had theirs checked d1.
D2 and D3 rather.
So this makes for an interesting situation. I know that there's a locked bathroom in most rooms. I also know that you can comfortably stash a body there, as I spent Night 1 in my bathroom. Could somebody have stashed Ryoko during the night then moved her away on a different day? What I'm thinking of is a murder that happened in a place where you wouldn't expect to be attacked, to make it clean...read, the dorms.
PS: Hell, this makes me wonder. Was spiral's beatdown at the hands of biscuit the day before we were told ryoko disappeared or after?