Lurker > Wanglicious

Mr Lasastryke posted...

she does, but you yourself said that those guys being looters was a "fair assumption" for her to make.

your standards for calling someone a "crazy bitch" still seem quite low.

random stranger comes up to you asking you for your full name, prevents you from leaving, is purposefully instigating you by lightly hitting you/your stuff, and chases you when you finally do manage to get away.

said random stranger's actions are either crazy or malicious. also a bitch, asshole, etc.

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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267165019223007232

oh de blasio.
what would we do without you.


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the account went on protect real early, i'm not sure it had much chance to be seen after it got posted. a random guy going out with a sword to defend a bar he likes is like the lowest grade isekai intro possible so it's pretty funny. dude's a fucking idiot who somehow manages to look dumber than anyone involved.

but to loop back a bit...
Jakyl25 posted...

They were deliberately lying about this to create a false counter-narrative that rioters were attacking and murdering innocent people

jakyl, apparently you're more right on this than you thought. not an innocent guy at all, not an owner, just a crazy dumbass weeb.

thanks, twitter. misinformation one post at a time.

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...did you miss the part of the conversation where jakyl said it's his store.
and what champion. even before you guys corrected me in saying it wasn't his i said the story's questionable because sword in the middle of the street ain't much of a defense claim.

at least pay attention to the conversation being had if you're gonna try to be snippy.

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ha, i wasn't actually expecting to see an example but here we go.

https://twitter.com/ej_bouie/status/1266922083407151108

totally behind that store owner.


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Jakyl25 posted...

But...in Charlottesville there were moving vehicles in that alley, and the protesters were hampering their ability to move forward...

yeah, there was traffic further up the block, like 100 meters away.
but the guy who was driving his car was not being blocked. he did not have traffic. he literally had an open lane and floored it, which is what let him crash into the car in front and what caused her death and the various other injuries.

that's completely different from the NYPD in this case, where the car is the one being blocked, having various items thrown at it, as another one specifically slows down and pushes through the crowd as they start attacking it.

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Dark Young Link posted...

I can't prove this, but I have a gut feeling Wang was part of the "Well it's unfortunate she died, but why she she there in the first place?" people who were trying to soft blame Heather Heyer for being killed.

i don't remember my exact position but at first i was skeptical on the situation, yeah. figured it might be an accident, there were claims of videos showing him being chased and trying to escape, etc.

then the rest of the info came out, actual footage came out, and i did a complete 180 because it was clear that driver was scum.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I dont see how the clog of protesters that Heather Heyer was a part of werent also blocking traffic. They werent AGGRESSIVELY blocking traffic, but they were blocking traffic

maybe we're running into a definition thing.
when i say blocking traffic i've got two components: blocking, traffic.
former is obvious, it's prevention of moving forward.
latter would be moving vehicles. are you thinking roads? parked cars aren't traffic, they're parked cars. if you've got an open block then that block doesn't have any traffic in it - apart from you that is.

if there's no moving vehicles and there's nothing preventing you from moving forward, then nobody is blocking traffic.

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Jakyl25 posted...

So do you think if the police had backed up a bit before hitting the gas, that would have been less acceptable?

less acceptable since that's adding in acceleration and more distance, yeah. obviously don't run into a crowd at like 30+ MPH, if you can do that then you ain't being blocked for shit, there's no traffic in front of you. at that point it's looking like attempted murder.

exception to this would of course be if you're in danger should you stop/go slower. if they're reaching for the door, climbing on your vehicle, floor it. if they're throwing bricks at you, floor it. basically if your life is at risk in that car, you can defend yourself with said car. or truck, as is in the FedEx case that happened earlier tonight.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

right. traffic.
having an open road is not traffic, it's not blocking anything. that's an open road to move on. you ain't blocked by shit.

meanwhile in that NYPD vid you've got people using a literal metal barricade and a massive amount of people pushing against it to block that car and others from moving forward. that is blocking traffic. so it steadily moved forward as it reached the block before pushing ahead.

you're also conveniently leaving out the part about throwing shit at the cars, which makes a huge difference as a human wall isn't trying to hurt you but once said wall is then you should be able to run through it because now they're a danger.

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https://twitter.com/phillyscoophall/status/1266906365076877319

https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1266959922970984448

now this, i need more of.


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StealThisSheen posted...

I mean you hear somebody (the guy filming?) say "Liquor stores are closed" and they're carrying cases of alcohol.

checked the vid again and i don't hear that.
do hear the guy say he bought it hours ago. she's assuming and while it's a fair assumption to make it's also still just an assumption. doesn't make it right to block him, to assault him, to chase him.

Jakyl25 posted...

Heather Heyer was just blocking traffic I guess

she literally wasn't? she also wasn't throwing bottles and bricks so how is that a relevant case?
that car purposefully went full steam ahead on an open road. that's not what's being said.

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Jakyl25 posted...

This sounds like a road rage issue

NYC dude.
cars are a detriment to people who live here so don't got one.

shit like throwing bricks or bottles at cars is something that can straight up result in the driver's death so i don't have an issue if they floor it. you're putting the driver and pedestrians at risk.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i was confused because you're going from the assumption of looting to the statement that someone was chucking bricks. quite the significant gap in there.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Yikes

i've said it before plenty of times, that hasn't changed at all. you block traffic, don't be surprised if you get hit by traffic. try to stop a vehicle, throw shit at vehicles, don't be surprised when they floor it or come at you either. if you're throwing bricks at people driving cars then it's fair game for that car to hit you back.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

She was trying to stop someone getting away who had committed a crime. You make it sound like she just picked a random person on the street to ruin their day. In your hypothetical, I don't think we'd call the guy an asshole if the reason he was trying to stop the other guy was because he just threw a brick through a window.

who she assumed had committed a crime.*
she did not see him do it. she did not catch him in the act. she is assuming, based on what he's carrying, that they looted. entirely possible! but entirely possible she's wrong.

...and i'm not sure what that hypothetical you're talking about but if he just threw a brick through a window i'd have no objection to getting his ass kicked on the spot.

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Umbreon posted...

If it were a dude, we'd still be against the looters.

and i'd still point out that it's an assumption we have no proof to, he'd have no proof of, and he'd be an asshole for instigating the way he is.

Jakyl25 posted...

Does anyone, of any political persuasion, support Bill DeBlasio

no.

though i'm pretty okay with blocking traffic carrying the risk of getting hit by said traffic. there's a FedEx one making its rounds right now that i'm fine with because if you're seriously trying to stop a truck and are climbing his door he should absolutely floor it.


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Suprak the Stud posted...

Like the "worst" thing she did was knock the hat off a guy exploiting a national tragedy to rob a liquor store. You want to complain about looters tainting a movement, well she's doing something about it. So tut tutting about her being rude about it is asinine.

rude =/= instigating, assault, chasing, blocking.
the hat thing is what proves she's purposefully baiting for a reaction. you do that knowing it's pissing the other person off, trying to get them to react to you. with how fast she went to chasing them it's clear she expected something.

you keep trying to play the sexism card but if it was a dude doing all that shit he'd rightfully be called an asshole. guy blocks another dude on a street, tries to dox him, blocks his way, knocks his hat off, chases him down? yeah. that'd be an asshole.


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banananor posted...

i also can't remember your stance when ahmaud arbery was shot for jogging near where a crime might have occurred

not sure i ever posted much on it but you mean the trespassing thing?
even assuming it's true then it's weird that he did it obviously shouldn't have been shot and shouldn't have been chased by dudes with shotguns. even if he's somehow not innocent on that, it's not the place of civilians to do that. chasing a dude with a shotty is gonna trigger a fight or flight reaction real easy.

i do remember there being a chance that the guys weren't completely civies, that the PD and the guys who chased/shot him were directly connected beyond just being an ex-cop. at that point the PD should be on the hook too.


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banananor posted...

hey wang, i forget which arguments you've made in the past. were you a part of the "shoot people running off with a stolen tv" crowd? or were you part of the 'if you see a thief, let them go' attitude? i honestly don't remember

too bad she wasn't a cop, she could have tackled and cuffed him

mm... depending on the particulars i fall under both.

business owner: most of the time fall under "has a right to defend his property and should be able to shoot them." if caught in the act, zero problems with it. grey starts coming in when it becomes something that's assumed.

don't have them in the act: let them go. can't prove it, recording them and reporting them is what should be done.

basically leans heavily on the side of proof.
and if she was a cop it would at least be her job to do that. but i'd then disagree with the cop purposefully instigating someone like that too.

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Umbreon posted...

No insults their way?

if they actually are looters then of course they should be hit with charges. got no objections to them having them exposed if they are.

there's just a lot of "if" there.
and it doesn't really justify her attacking or chasing them. that's all bait.

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StealThisSheen posted...

These guys were like, caught openly looting, right?

no, it's assumed they were. got no objection to her making that assumption since i don't know that neighborhood but nobody else here does either. but it's an assumption nevertheless.

StealThisSheen posted...

Why are you having empathy for looters who are clearly not good people and calling somebody rightfully confronting them over it a "crazy bitch?"

because she doesn't just "confront" them.
she attacked, she instigated, she chased. that's all on purpose by her. she wants a reaction out of them, she wants them to do something.

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if you're seeing both that's good. no objections there then, this topic's just a lot of the former than the latter.

Umbreon posted...

Wang oddly seems more upset at the woman trying to stop some looters than the looters themselves.

looting bad.
assault bad.
doxing bad.

clear enough?
she's the one who provokes them. had she left it at the initial grilling, not attacked the guy, not blocked the guy's way, not try to get his first and last name? perfectly fine. doing all of those things, not fine. at that point, she's clearly doing this on purpose to get them to do something to her. she's the instigator, not a weird sensible hero.

fucking crazy too. you do what she did fully expecting that someone ain't gonna take your shit and hit back.

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Jakyl25 posted...

You act like this is happening in a vacuum and you dont understand where shes coming from

I dont think either of us is budging on this one it seems

no, her initial cries are perfectly fine. she's right to call them out on looting and say they're not from her neighborhood. asking what school is a bit iffy but fine, it helps at least establish they're a local.

she starts crossing the line when she's asking for their names. not just first name, she specifically wants his first and last name. at that point, she's trying to dox him. that's 100% wrong.

she blocks their way, that's also 100% wrong. she's got no authority to do that and it's not her place to do that.

she knocks off the hat of one of them multiple times. that's 100% wrong and straight up assault. at that point she's now instigating a fight and wants a response. she's the one baiting them at this point. they didn't bite, which is good on them.

trolling her after all that ain't anything and the fact that she chases 'em to attack them says plenty about what she's wanting to do all along. they successfully baited her after she failed.

you're asking for empathy? alright, how about empathy for the dudes dealing with a random stranger who starts grilling them, tries to dox them, actively is stopping them from leaving, attacks them, and chases them when they finally get past her?

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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah I saw that

The amount of videos tonight of police escalation should really be eye opening to a lot of people

there's a split on this one.
if you focus news on just the left that's mainly what you're going to see.

if you focus on news on just the right you're going to see things like business owners getting beat almost to death and various places being broken into, lit on fire, or looted.

what a lot of these twitter vids do is push your bias further on the situation in one direction as opposed to actually cover the situation in full.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

why would anybody have empathy for a random stranger stopping you, asking you for identifying information, and trying to prevent you from leaving? what kind of nonsensical standard is that?

that's not a thing you have empathy for, that's a thing you put yourself on guard for because you don't know who or what you're dealing with. fair play to be an ass because she was being crazy. and that's still not justifying her attempt to dox them on camera. you seriously can't object to them being actually doxed as a result of it since she was trying to do that in the first place.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

they aren't doing it willingly. they're trying to leave and she's purposefully blocking them to not let them leave. the name is an obvious lie and that's perfectly fine because fuck that. if some random chick in the street asks me what my name is, where i went to school, tries to block me from walking away, why the fuck would i give her anything of value? that'd just be a random crazy bitch in the street.


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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

...dude, she's literally trying to dox them on fucking camera so i'm not sure how that's your line. she straight up asks for his full name, asks him where he went to school. how is your objection doxing?

if you think she's being sensible then you're 1) supporting her committing assault, 2) supporting her trying to dox them.
fuck no to both of those.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Shes absolutely being sensible

okay, how.
the initial pleading part, sure. what she escalates it to, not so much.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

she literally puts her hands on them, knocks his hat away a few times, tries to block their movement, chases them.
yes, that's assault.

defending her is silly.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Here is a video for anyone who wants to feel ridiculously disgusted by a couple of fuckbois, especially at the end

https://twitter.com/iamjplaza/status/1266610892457852928?s=21

you think she's being sensible? because all i'm seeing is a crazy bitch committing assault a couple times and they purposefully do not attack her.


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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

playing some more tonight.


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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

But in this specific situation you're supporting oppression by the police state as the lesser evil. The root of disagreement to me is on ideological priorities and not practical.

...i don't get this concept.
practical should absolutely override ideological. like the usual "if not now, when?" type of argument has a clear answer: not in a pandemic. the greater evil is the one that's going to cause more harm to you and that's going to be the pandemic here, whether it's in personal health, deaths, or economic.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

honestly those kinds of reports seem a bit hard to take seriously right now only because there's so many protests happening that it's a wash.

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they've effectively ended them.
for now.

it depends greatly on how many cases spike on the virus over the next 2 weeks.


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not in Minneapolis, which is where they're headed to. that situation is completely out of control and was either a) the plan all along (some cops) or b) a show of incredible incompetence (the mayor).

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military police activated.
one step closer to martial law.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

looks like precincts in Brooklyn are under attack.
oh boy.


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don't worry, corona is gonna make a comeback real fucking quick.

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haven't checked. was just going off the comments and the person who uploaded the video said "doesn't matter" to that statement in a followup tweet so i'm assuming they know it's true.

Atlanta mayor speech is a good one.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266547800092876802

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/drivewendys/status/1266555286678048770?s=21

from the comments, he was throwing cement at 'em.
can't blame the cops on that one, fuck this dude.


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i just like to think that extha is lurking this topic, waiting to see at what point he RKO's everyone in it.


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Jakyl25 posted...

Amy Cooper

She did move out of the news cycle and get somewhat lucky there, but it was also an important part of the Floyd story, because it showed that people think black men should be afraid of having the cops called specifically on them

Easy to chart out a cause and effect

and this is right after Arbery too. dont' forget that one, the news there was one of the major primetime stories that was starting to fall out when all this hit.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i don't think it's that surprising, people on the right should be more angry with this incident than those on the left because they typically have a greater respect for our cops. when one is clearly in the wrong the outrage should be proportional to the respect given.


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rudy's big on cops.
this incident is one that you can't defend and is very clearly beyond a bad cop; that entire PD has been steadily proving to being fucking dumb and with open disdain with some of their antics. pepper spray out a window? arresting not just a CNN reporter but a fucking black reporter? like even if you're racist, even if you hate black people, what are you doing from an optics angle?

i'm still believing this is a setup for martial law btw.
i'm totally sold on the autozone guy being a cop. the way that guy moves, the gear he's got, his size, that is not a black bloc member. those are skinny ass white people in shabby gear, not 6'4, 200 pounds, with professional grade gear and a random ass umbrella.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i'm waiting for that 4 AM shitpost.


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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

there's a lot of weird shit happening to that tweet. for a while replies looked locked but it's technically not and it's missing stats? they're doing something to it alright.

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

so here's a situation that can go really poorly now and will go really poorly in a few days.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1266239787192573952?s=20

easy way to spread corona there.
but uhh....

explosives are in that precinct. gas lines are cut. there's fire everywhere.
gettin real fucking dicey.

some places out there are starting to claim home invasions but nothing's confirmed there. it wouldn't be surprising but no confirmation exists on that yet. ...but with no cops, hope the homes have guns because you're on your own in this situation. >_>;

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i haven't confirmed it yet but i did hear down the grapevine of stuff online that the cops there generally aren't well regarded and the main guy everyone's targeting has a history of police brutality. that's the current rumor i'm aware of there.

meanwhile in a real life version of the this is fine meme, i present to you MSNBC.
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266222112458629120


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alright new update...

170+ businesses have been damaged to looted tonight
cops at the 5th precinct are fleeing too, so that's another one going down

and Trump's stepping in.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100172615680

personal opinion:
they're setting up martial law.
no enforcement of any kind, no firefighters of any kind, orders are to retreat? cool, that's the range of rioters you're dealing with.
also is really hard to look like the bad guys when it's imposed on people burning down the city, ruining hundreds of businesses, forcing the cancellation of important services (food banks, child care).

the only reason law enforcement pulls back is to push back in harder.

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