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I also said that Ulti voting me at EoD yesterday tracks because it's now past day 1-3 Ulti ...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Yup, overlooked that post.

Maybe Ben is responsible for Kirby making the reckless play instead of the safe one?

No way, firstly, at the start of day Kirby told me just in case that he was not going to tell me who he's targeting just in case, and instead leave a message at 4:59 for me to bring to the rest of the game and decrypt. And I said yeah that makes sense, as long as we know what you did after you're dead. And then I said that I wouldn't even suggest or talk with him about who he blocks.

Which in hindsight maybe was a bad idea, because i had no idea he was target8ng Ulti. But, at one point he asked me if I thought Ulti starting the train on me was scummy. And i said that there is no way Ulti is anything but town cop. And that he'll resolve eventually so no need to worry. So...

IGCD is still an easy town clear for how he defended Knightz by saying doesnt have any access to discord...

So to answer Ulti's question, its impossible for me to list 3 town when I have all of these players in the tip top tier of OFFICIAL CONFIRMED

TOWN
Blade
Ulti
Kirby
IGCD
FD
Chang

So basically, that only leaves possible scum as

SCUM
Red
Death
MI
Ctes

And ctes could be way townier based on his role claim. I also think he looks the best on this bottom list from Wallz interactions

But yeah, kill everyone in the bottom list and we win.

I mean does anyone here not agree?

One more thing I need Death's explanation for...

He made two votes at the end of the day. Both of them he claimed were to avoid a tie. I thought it was odd he said that for both votes. That implies there is someone on the lynch that is tied that he specifially does NOT want to die, since ties kill a random person.

The first time he voted, it was for me, and the votes were this.

Enchantress posted...

Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby),(FD), (Peaf), (Kirby), Kirby, Ben
[3] Peaf - Mzero, (Kirby), Changmas, (Ulti), Red
[3] Ben - (MI), (Ulti), (Ulti), (FD), (Ulti), Ulti, Blade, FD
[1] MI - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Kirby), Peaf, (Kirby)
[0] Blade - (Ulti)
[0] FD - (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)
[0[ Kirby - Ben

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Thursday, May 9th at 6 PM EST.

htaeD posted...

Ulti started it

Anyway
##Vote: Ben

Dont want ties to go all wobbly

So this put me into the lead above Red and Peaf.

Then later, right before he voted again, also citing tie breaker, the votes were this.

[5] Ben - (MI), (Ulti), (Ulti), (FD), (Ulti), Ulti, Blade, FD, Death. IGCD
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby),(FD), (Peaf), (Kirby), (Kirby), Ben, Peaf
[4] Peaf - Mzero, (Kirby), Changmas, (Ulti), Red, Kirby
[0] MI - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Kirby), (Peaf), (Kirby)
[0] Blade - (Ulti) [0] FD - (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)
[0] Kirby - Ben

And Death votes

htaeD posted...

##Vote: Peaf

No ties

Bro you just tied it. 5 and 5, Peaf and Ben

So I really need an explanation for why you tied it while saying no ties. The observation here is that Red is that person who you really didnt want dead the whole time you were saying No Ties

htaeD posted...

why did you vote Red?

Death why did you ask me this with less than 2 minutes left in the day while voting me? Was I supposed to answer in time enough to convince you to unvote me?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d17180b.png
I wanna know what Death saw since this went unexplained and just seemed like a scummy post to sound cool lol

Roleblocking him was an unessccary move when there are so many things that can ultra confirm him scum or town.... like getting a guilty scan today!

But oh well, I believe both parties are town and we have to move on from it

And that was the last time we ever heard of Ulti

And to be clear I don't know exactly who Kirby blocked yet - he gave me a secret message to decode and I was gonna post it here before trying to figure it out. But since he's alive I'll wait for him to reveal

Well, when Kirby asked me if I thought Ulti was scum I said no way. So.... don't blame me if that's what happened lol

Meow1000 posted...

Oh. I thought you guys were just in one big chat room this entire time.

Nah its one per night and i cant neighbor the same person on subsequent nights. So I did Kirby tonight, expecting him to be the obvious night kill and be able to tell the rest of the game who he roleblocked.... but of course now Mzero is dead. He either taunted it, or they targeted him before Kirby on purpose just to get around me, since i couldnt neighbor Mzero last night and wont be able to neighbor again Kirby tonight ....

I also thought I was going to be able to be here in the final hour and pressure the other two people after my Unvote and maybe even determine Red was still the best lynch at the end of the day. But then I got stuck with work stuff. And i knew I was only getting more stuff piled up, So seeing Red make that post made me panick and i didnt want to do nothing and let town die.... but I'm now thinking I was stupid to fall for that post

Alright, I feel like I accidentally derailed the Red lynch yesterday and I now regret it. Once I actually had time to READ the long Red post, I have questions. I thought it was good at first glance because it looked like he was sharing thoughts on his way out. Something i dont expect scum Red to do as he would shut up if his lynch was inevitable. But I found that the post wasnt as conclusive as I assumed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/51217345.png
"As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak."

Should MI be nailing you harder if you are in fact not scum??? If you're town then why read him this way as not lynching you hard enough?

And smaller nitpick,but why did you word it as "Game state says i should want to lynch Peaf or MI". As opposed to you wanting to lynch Peaf or MI?

I can get Kirby scan results tonight

Use my lynch for data I guess but it's a huge throw

I said I'm not caught up but I'm tempted to vote Peaf. It just won't be based on any logic except that I liked the fact red made a long post and MI was role blocked. And if Peaf flips scum it clears the two of them

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: RED

That is not what I meant to do

##Vote: Kirby

Kirby you're a double Voter. If you change too late though I might not be able to follow

In the car now. Dead line just doesn't work for me. Kirby I will vote with you

I'm so sorry guys but I cant even be here because my boss keeps calling me into his office. I can make your opinion of me worse - I didnt even read the whole Red post that caused me to "unvote" him. Just saw that it was long and addressed every player and that the first sentence actually had opinions about how was scummy, and that + Ulti's read on Red was enough to make me panic and think we were lynching town. But honestly you cant take my opinion very seriously because I havent had time to actually follow up and didnt even read that whole post. I unvoted because I knew he was in the lead and forgot I didnt vote him, because in my mind I was voting him basically all day. But I dont have time to come to an accurate descion. And now I'm literally being shoved out the door and have to drive so goodbye.

I wont even vote for anyone because I cant be here. I'd rather Kirby, Ulti, and Blade take the lead

I just dont think he makes that post as scum. It doest make sense from scum Red perspective who looks like they are getting killed today. Also I think the last time he didnt claim flavor he was town (though correct me if he didnt claim it last game)

its only a choice between Peaf and MI for me to be clear

I was not prepared to spare Red though and dont really know where to go from here. That's like the first Red post I actually like >_>

Leafeon13N posted...

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

Okay fine. I don't think Red makes that post as scum. He just tries to shut up and say as little as possible here.

##Unvote

Emphasis on OPPOSED though. All of you people requoting it are scaring me you want to special him when he's asleep lol

Kirby321 posted...

What if we lynched Death just for fun.

No logic
No conspiracies
Just because we can

The innocent scan is the only thing making me opposed right now

Did red ever claim flavor

But I'll only accept them in the form of song. In fact, if you just want to copy paste that exact song back to me I'll become bullet proof tonight

Saying goodbye to Red
Was the hardest thing to do
But when someone's a jerk and vanilla
They're ain't nothing left to woo

I'm getting rid of Red
I'm getting rid of POE (he's a no good V)
I'm getting rid of Red
I'm getting rid of POE (and he's so spicy)

But now that I got that out of my system. I'm open to alternative arguments

I was bluffing about BP in order to set up future possible town clears. Hope you read that part...

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is why I don't think Red is scum, btw, and that scum is all over his lynch.

Can you explain? I actually just need help reading him here

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah I'm really starting to think i was wrong about Corrik, guys

This post at least did feel natural from Peaf because this was after Corik claimed in the final 5 minutes, and anyone's switch should have flipped to thinking he was scum by that point.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We still don't have votes from Ben, Blade, Chang, Ctes, Death, IGCD and Red.

IGCD gets a pass because he has to be the final vote
Ctes gets a pass because he is apparently unable to vote

Where do the rest of you stand? Are you all so worried to weigh in that you haven't cast a vote on anyone yet today?

I feel like I've made it clear my "vote" is on Red and I like him the least in the game currently. I've just been not voting I want to see how everyone else votes and I dont feel like I need to fight for anything at the moment with Red in the lead

htaeD posted...

Man now I want to ctrl+f if Ulti ever said TMI before.
Then again it doesnt even make sense for a scum to say that 'Mi has too much information' unless MI and Ulti are scum together to be honest.

Yes, he did. I remember him using it incorrectly as a generic "you're scum" and had a little chuckle to myself. It very likely might have even been in toy story mafia that I'm remembering it from.

Eh, i thought Ulti was clearly town before the cop claim. I liked Ulti before he was cool. Why would I question that now? On the chance Lopen was exactly cop? Everything he's done makes sense, including making a scan that doesn't make any sense as the game goes on past day 1 and 2 lol.

undefined posted... Blade

I don't like how Red went from agreeing with me that Ben was scum to trying to coax Peaf into lynching me early in the day.

Leafeon13N posted...

Are we really going to ignore context of ben claiming bp at the time.

No I thought Blade was talking about day 3. And yes, you did seem to drop this entirely

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b32ae272.png

I just ran with what others suggested, but if there's 3 or more it doesn't change the things I have stated. I have not been capping myself at 2 in these reasonings

Leafeon13N posted...

And if you need clarification to my question.

You have basically stated to me you think there is 1 scum in peaf and MI.

So where are you going from there?

Not necessarily. Red + Death is still possible but I wouldn't readily lynch an innocent scan without trying to flip a godfather first

Leafeon13N posted...

So where do you think the rest of scum are located?

Well do you think the last two scum are exactly Peaf and MI?

You said it yourself that a Peaf + you combo doesn't make sense, so I'm just extending that a bit.

So is it just Red and MI for me? Feels like scum has no chance to win if that's that. I'm fine with that, but it's usually not how things go. Is it Peaf + someone outside of that? If it's someone outside of that then it's probably someone no one can expect to be scum right now, least of all me. Or just death lol

So to actually answer your question, the only person I can justify being scum right now outside of the 3 vanillas is godfather death. Anything else is something we're not seeing until more is revealed or unexpected night kills happen

And if either Red or MI are scum I think Peaf is town. Thats the important part for me

I can a least say this. There is no way scum is Peaf + MI OR Peaf + Red

Just Peaf in that group of 3 is possible. Two that are not Peaf is possible.

This is why: Peaf early on day 2 says the POE is himself/Red/and MI and that we should all be looking at them and no one else.

Yes it is weird to include himself, but it tells us one thing. If peaf is scum then he's trying to sacrifice himself to protect someone not in that POE. He wants town to burn through that POE while someone on the side gets to the end. I do not think Peaf is the first to call out that POE if both him and his scummate are in it. He is always trying to get us to focus on that POE.

So either Peaf is the only scum in the trio or he is not paired with another scum in it. That's the vibe i get.

Maybe I just like peaf. Because if Red flipped town I would just be more convicned that Knightz really did town clear Blade, Peaf, and Red, than I would readily accept that Peaf was the scum between the two of them >.<

Kirby321 posted...

Hell if I know, dude. Ben pointed out that the scum vote stealer dude person could've also sent in the kill. We don't know. It's pure speculation. For all I care, you're the Godfather. That's not why I think you're scummy.

Honestly, I've been flip-flopping between you, Peaf, and Red. Like I said before, if I could triple day vig you all, I would.

I felt similarly last night when talking to Mzero, but, at this point I think I like the other two much more than Red.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lmao.

##vote: Chang
##vote: Kirby
##vote: Blade
##vote: Ben
##vote: MZero
##vote: FD
##vote: IGCD
##vote: MI
##vote: Red
##vote: Peaf
##vote: Ulti
##vote: Death

You forgot to unvote so they didnt count

Unless they're just stupid again. But that would be the third game in a row now

TotallyNotMI posted...

You know if the vote suppressor is a scum power they massively fucked up by not using it on MZero. What an easy way to frame someone.

This feels like a critical point where there's something we're missing. Why is scum even risking using it on Ctes if there is a major risk of Mzero stealing it.

PeaceFrog posted...

I gave my opinions on mi but i don't think you value them :(

I'd like if anyone else can chime in with how they interpret Knightz' vote on him d1 in hindsight, and their other interactions on d1.

I think mi had a really ugly topic 9 but his t1 looks pretty town. So I'm definitely torn.

You mean this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3b6dc49a.png
It did look completely out of nowhere at first, but i think MI's own interpretation makes sense that maybe Knightz was just echoing others around him. He did do that quite a bit, even in his first town game.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef66e4e0.png
I'm also trying to treat Knightz' spew as less valuable on the chance that he didnt have much interaction with his scummates on discord and didnt always know who they were.

If he did, it still points to Red and Peaf both being town...and that feels impossible right now

Peaf, including yourself in the POE is weird, Ulti was right about that. Why lol

I'll take your explanation for what was going on because apparently i need educated