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voltch 07/05/11 3:21:00 PM #151:	The Idea that cena is the best, gotta break that by beating him for what he treasures most! Unless Cena cares more about the fans than the title. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:52902] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> The Idea that cena is the best, gotta break that by beating him for what he treasures most!Unless Cena cares more about the fans than the title. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/05/11 3:23:00 PM #152:	But if this was JUST about anarchy and screwing over the WWE, he could do that in a lot more ways than just... Beating Cena again. He already beat him. He knows what the title represents to the fans/WWE in kayfabe, and he wants to steal that from them and make sure that, through their own faulty logic, they have to accept HIM as the best for as long as he desires. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:52903] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> But if this was JUST about anarchy and screwing over the WWE, he could do that in a lot more ways than just... Beating Cena again. He already beat him.He knows what the title represents to the fans/WWE in kayfabe, and he wants to steal that from them and make sure that, through their own faulty logic, they have to accept HIM as the best for as long as he desires. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/05/11 3:26:00 PM #153:	Good thing so far, Cena has not yet blow punk off by going into jokey mode, when Cena shows his opponents a certain level of respect it does a lot of good, though there's still plenty of time to totally blow Punk off with bad jokes next week >_> -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:52904] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Good thing so far, Cena has not yet blow punk off by going into jokey mode, when Cena shows his opponents a certain level of respect it does a lot of good, though there's still plenty of time to totally blow Punk off with bad jokes next week >_> -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/05/11 3:28:00 PM #154:	And to clarify, I'm not saying the feud is JUST about the title. But I am saying that the title is the means to the end for Punk, and because of that, it's more important than it has been in awhile just because of the sheer scope of what it represents. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:52905] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> And to clarify, I'm not saying the feud is JUST about the title.But I am saying that the title is the means to the end for Punk, and because of that, it's more important than it has been in awhile just because of the sheer scope of what it represents. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 3:29:00 PM #155:	That's kind of what I was trying to say. The angle is about the Championship in an idealistic sense, but it is not about the Championship in a material sense. The whole angle is adding prestige to what the title means, yes, but if Punk succeeds he will actually DEVALUE it, because like I said, they'll just make a new belt and do a match to fill the vacancy and life will go on. The fear isn't "Oh my god if Punk wins we'll lose the WWE Championship." They'll obviously still have the rights to crown a new one, like they did with the WHC when Edge retired. What is lost if Punk wins is the meaning of the title itself. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52906] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> That's kind of what I was trying to say. The angle is about the Championship in an idealistic sense, but it is not about the Championship in a material sense.The whole angle is adding prestige to what the title means, yes, but if Punk succeeds he will actually DEVALUE it, because like I said, they'll just make a new belt and do a match to fill the vacancy and life will go on. The fear isn't "Oh my god if Punk wins we'll lose the WWE Championship." They'll obviously still have the rights to crown a new one, like they did with the WHC when Edge retired. What is lost if Punk wins is the meaning of the title itself. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/05/11 3:31:00 PM #156:	Well, yeah. I'm not saying the title is important from a material standpoint. I'm saying it's very important because of what it represents, so we agree there. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:52907] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Well, yeah. I'm not saying the title is important from a material standpoint. I'm saying it's very important because of what it represents, so we agree there. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 07/05/11 3:33:00 PM #157:	From: voltch \| #151 The Idea that cena is the best, gotta break that by beating him for what he treasures most! Unless Cena cares more about the fans than the title. I think that's what is supposed to be implied. I don't see why Punk would bring up stuff like PPV posters and DVD covers unless he meant that he was fed up with being ignored on an all-encompassing level. He has been champion before, but he's never been the golden boy. In fact, the fans hate him even though he's essentially a model human being. He's always walked a thin line between face and heel. Maybe he's cocky, but the morals and values he preaches are generally good and he has attempted to save several people from their vices. And yet the people cheer Cena and boo him, and he doesn't understand why, and that frustrates him. Is it because Cena is better on the mic? Nope, Punk is better. In the ring? Nope, Punk is better. So what do you do if you can't make the fans like you (and thus become the WWE's golden boy) no matter how well you perform? You take your ball and go home. Screw the fans. -- http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6967/timfavre.png <cite>TimJab posted [p:52908] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #151The Idea that cena is the best, gotta break that by beating him for what he treasures most!Unless Cena cares more about the fans than the title.I think that's what is supposed to be implied. I don't see why Punk would bring up stuff like PPV posters and DVD covers unless he meant that he was fed up with being ignored on an all-encompassing level. He has been champion before, but he's never been the golden boy. In fact, the fans hate him even though he's essentially a model human being. He's always walked a thin line between face and heel. Maybe he's cocky, but the morals and values he preaches are generally good and he has attempted to save several people from their vices. And yet the people cheer Cena and boo him, and he doesn't understand why, and that frustrates him. Is it because Cena is better on the mic? Nope, Punk is better. In the ring? Nope, Punk is better. So what do you do if you can't make the fans like you (and thus become the WWE's golden boy) no matter how well you perform? You take your ball and go home. Screw the fans. -- http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6967/timfavre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 3:33:00 PM #158:	Whereas over on SmackDown, it's a very material issue. If Teddy Long magically waved a wand and said "We're stripping Randy Orton and Christian is the new Champion," Christian would celebrate it as a triumph and cling desperately to his title belt. He values the actual title of being World Champion. If they did the same thing with Cena and Punk and just handed Punk the title with no match, Punk would essentially be thwarted, but WWE would be cutting off their own nose to spite their face if they did that. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52909] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Whereas over on SmackDown, it's a very material issue. If Teddy Long magically waved a wand and said "We're stripping Randy Orton and Christian is the new Champion," Christian would celebrate it as a triumph and cling desperately to his title belt. He values the actual title of being World Champion.If they did the same thing with Cena and Punk and just handed Punk the title with no match, Punk would essentially be thwarted, but WWE would be cutting off their own nose to spite their face if they did that. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/05/11 3:35:00 PM #159:	Of course, maybe we're all wrong and Punk really does want the title for material reasons. Maybe he secretly employed JTG under a personal services contract to find him the street value of the title. Ch'yeh! -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:52910] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Of course, maybe we're all wrong and Punk really does want the title for material reasons. Maybe he secretly employed JTG under a personal services contract to find him the street value of the title.Ch'yeh! -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 3:41:00 PM #160:	He has been champion before, but he's never been the golden boy. Worth noting here is that all 3 of Punk's World Titles came via MitB Cash-in (twice) or mandatory rematch clause (once). Title matches WWE was contractually obligated to give to him. He has never been given a 1-on-1 PPV title match through any subjective means by any authority figure. WWE has never once granted him #1 Contender status. EDIT: Until now, of course. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52911] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> He has been champion before, but he's never been the golden boy.Worth noting here is that all 3 of Punk's World Titles came via MitB Cash-in (twice) or mandatory rematch clause (once). Title matches WWE was contractually obligated to give to him. He has never been given a 1-on-1 PPV title match through any subjective means by any authority figure. WWE has never once granted him #1 Contender status.EDIT: Until now, of course. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 07/05/11 3:46:00 PM #161:	Yeah I was going to note that but I couldn't remember how he won the third title and was too lazy to look it up. Randy Orton arbitrarily receiving a title shot against Christian based on crowd reaction is pretty much exactly what Punk is angry about. He busts his ass and never received a chance to be the top dog that he didn't outright earn, yet Cena and Orton get title shots from simply being Cena and Orton. That translates directly into Cena and Orton getting promotional opportunities like movie roles that Punk feels he is more deserving of. -- http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/670/ohbrett.png <cite>TimJab posted [p:52912] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Yeah I was going to note that but I couldn't remember how he won the third title and was too lazy to look it up. Randy Orton arbitrarily receiving a title shot against Christian based on crowd reaction is pretty much exactly what Punk is angry about.He busts his ass and never received a chance to be the top dog that he didn't outright earn, yet Cena and Orton get title shots from simply being Cena and Orton.That translates directly into Cena and Orton getting promotional opportunities like movie roles that Punk feels he is more deserving of. -- http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/670/ohbrett.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/05/11 3:48:00 PM #162:	CM Punk is... The Marine 3: Even Marine-er -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:52913] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> CM Punk is... The Marine 3: Even Marine-er -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/05/11 3:55:00 PM #163:	I think we're kind of all in agreement here and just wording it in different ways and that's where the argument comes from <_< The point Lopen is making isn't that the title isn't important, it's that the feud is about Punk's disdain for the WWE first, and the title is his way to get revenge. It's the means to an end, rather than the end in itself, which it is in most feuds (most personal issues in feuds come about solely because of the title, even Orton/HHH at WM25 was basically Orton deciding to use his feud with the McMahons to get at HHH so he could win the title from him, you'd have to go back probably to Jericho/Michaels for a WWE world title feud that was personal above all else, and that didn't start out as a title feud). Either way it's cool to have a story worth this kind of discussion. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:52914] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I think we're kind of all in agreement here and just wording it in different ways and that's where the argument comes from <_< The point Lopen is making isn't that the title isn't important, it's that the feud is about Punk's disdain for the WWE first, and the title is his way to get revenge. It's the means to an end, rather than the end in itself, which it is in most feuds (most personal issues in feuds come about solely because of the title, even Orton/HHH at WM25 was basically Orton deciding to use his feud with the McMahons to get at HHH so he could win the title from him, you'd have to go back probably to Jericho/Michaels for a WWE world title feud that was personal above all else, and that didn't start out as a title feud). Either way it's cool to have a story worth this kind of discussion. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 3:58:00 PM #164:	From: StealThisSheen \| #162 CM Punk is... The Marine 3: Even Marine-er THEY HAVE A HOSTAGE IT'S SCOTTY GOLDMAN -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52915] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: StealThisSheen \| #162CM Punk is... The Marine 3: Even Marine-erTHEY HAVE A HOSTAGEIT'S SCOTTY GOLDMAN -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 07/05/11 4:00:00 PM #165:	I do think that Punk wants to win the title, but not in the traditional sense. I think the most important thing regarding the belt is that it is customized for Cena and that every champion (including Punk himself) has had to wear it while champion. Even while you're champion, you're overshadowed by Cena. Even when Cena isn't champ, he's associated with the belt. Getting that symbol out of WWE (even though WWE could presumably just make a new Spinner belt) is what Punk's out to do. He wants to knock Cena off the pedestal. He want to win the title, but he doesn't want to be champion. If that makes sense. -- http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/670/ohbrett.png <cite>TimJab posted [p:52916] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I do think that Punk wants to win the title, but not in the traditional sense.I think the most important thing regarding the belt is that it is customized for Cena and that every champion (including Punk himself) has had to wear it while champion. Even while you're champion, you're overshadowed by Cena. Even when Cena isn't champ, he's associated with the belt. Getting that symbol out of WWE (even though WWE could presumably just make a new Spinner belt) is what Punk's out to do. He wants to knock Cena off the pedestal.He want to win the title, but he doesn't want to be champion. If that makes sense. -- http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/670/ohbrett.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 4:01:00 PM #166:	Panthera, you mentioned this earlier and I had the idea too in the last thread, that there definitely is a huge undercurrent in WWE over the last while about preferential treatment for the golden boys and how hard it is to break through when you're not someone who WWE wants to see succeed at a World Title level. It's probably just coincidental, with the writers just stuck trying to find new ways for people challenging Cena and Orton to come after them, but even going as far back as Daniel Bryan's NXT run/unceremonious exit, to the entire existence of the Nexus as a way to circumvent the politics of WWE, and now to Truth and Christian and Punk, there really is a huge movement afoot in kayfabe calling out the way WWE chooses to do business, whether or not WWE actually intended that or not. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52917] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Panthera, you mentioned this earlier and I had the idea too in the last thread, that there definitely is a huge undercurrent in WWE over the last while about preferential treatment for the golden boys and how hard it is to break through when you're not someone who WWE wants to see succeed at a World Title level.It's probably just coincidental, with the writers just stuck trying to find new ways for people challenging Cena and Orton to come after them, but even going as far back as Daniel Bryan's NXT run/unceremonious exit, to the entire existence of the Nexus as a way to circumvent the politics of WWE, and now to Truth and Christian and Punk, there really is a huge movement afoot in kayfabe calling out the way WWE chooses to do business, whether or not WWE actually intended that or not. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 4:03:00 PM #167:	I think the most important thing regarding the belt is that it is customized for Cena and that every champion (including Punk himself) has had to wear it while champion Punk has actually never had to wear the Spinner Belt. All three of his reigns have been with the WHC. Undertaker also has managed to avoid having to wear that specific title since Cena bling-ified it, which has always saddened me because I wanted to see how ridiculous it would look on him. Especially back when it spun. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52918] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I think the most important thing regarding the belt is that it is customized for Cena and that every champion (including Punk himself) has had to wear it while championPunk has actually never had to wear the Spinner Belt. All three of his reigns have been with the WHC.Undertaker also has managed to avoid having to wear that specific title since Cena bling-ified it, which has always saddened me because I wanted to see how ridiculous it would look on him. Especially back when it spun. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 4:08:00 PM #168:	Jakyl Boredom Fact List of people who have had to wear the Spinner Belt John Cena Edge (although during one reign he modified it) Rob Van Dam Randy Orton Triple H Jeff Hardy Batista Sheamus The Miz (modified the "W" to an "M") -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52919] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Jakyl Boredom FactList of people who have had to wear the Spinner BeltJohn CenaEdge (although during one reign he modified it)Rob Van DamRandy OrtonTriple HJeff HardyBatistaSheamusThe Miz (modified the "W" to an "M") -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 4:09:00 PM #169:	I still want Punk to walk out the champ. No cash ins or anything. Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person. -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52920] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I still want Punk to walk out the champ. No cash ins or anything.Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person. -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/05/11 4:13:00 PM #170:	From: JaKyL25 \| #168 Jakyl Boredom Fact List of people who have had to wear the Spinner Belt John Cena Edge (although during one reign he modified it) Rob Van Dam Randy Orton Triple H Jeff Hardy Batista Sheamus The Miz (modified the "W" to an "M") Of this list, I think Sheamus and Team Evolution looked the goofiest with it. If anyone could make it look less ** it was RVD (because it spins!). I also forgot until this moment that Jeff actually had this belt at one point. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:52921] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #168Jakyl Boredom FactList of people who have had to wear the Spinner BeltJohn CenaEdge (although during one reign he modified it)Rob Van DamRandy OrtonTriple HJeff HardyBatistaSheamusThe Miz (modified the "W" to an "M")Of this list, I think Sheamus and Team Evolution looked the goofiest with it. If anyone could make it look less ** it was RVD (because it spins!). I also forgot until this moment that Jeff actually had this belt at one point. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bryans7 07/05/11 4:13:00 PM #171:	Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person. Through improbable odds, both Evan Bourne and Daniel Bryan win their MITB matches. Vince orders them into the ring to cash in immediately. The both lay down for Punk. Yes I realize this would never happen. -- question lechoke james tell how dose my bleb taste <cite>bryans7 posted [p:52922] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person.Through improbable odds, both Evan Bourne and Daniel Bryan win their MITB matches. Vince orders them into the ring to cash in immediately.The both lay down for Punk.Yes I realize this would never happen. -- question lechoke james tell how dose my bleb taste </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 07/05/11 4:15:00 PM #172:	From: JaKyL25 \| #166 Panthera, you mentioned this earlier and I had the idea too in the last thread, that there definitely is a huge undercurrent in WWE over the last while about preferential treatment for the golden boys and how hard it is to break through when you're not someone who WWE wants to see succeed at a World Title level. It's probably just coincidental, with the writers just stuck trying to find new ways for people challenging Cena and Orton to come after them, but even going as far back as Daniel Bryan's NXT run/unceremonious exit, to the entire existence of the Nexus as a way to circumvent the politics of WWE, and now to Truth and Christian and Punk, there really is a huge movement afoot in kayfabe calling out the way WWE chooses to do business, whether or not WWE actually intended that or not. Ryder fits this as well I think. -- http://img.imgcake.com/baronvontoast/1304312287012jpgen.jpg <cite>TimJab posted [p:52923] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #166Panthera, you mentioned this earlier and I had the idea too in the last thread, that there definitely is a huge undercurrent in WWE over the last while about preferential treatment for the golden boys and how hard it is to break through when you're not someone who WWE wants to see succeed at a World Title level.It's probably just coincidental, with the writers just stuck trying to find new ways for people challenging Cena and Orton to come after them, but even going as far back as Daniel Bryan's NXT run/unceremonious exit, to the entire existence of the Nexus as a way to circumvent the politics of WWE, and now to Truth and Christian and Punk, there really is a huge movement afoot in kayfabe calling out the way WWE chooses to do business, whether or not WWE actually intended that or not.Ryder fits this as well I think. -- http://img.imgcake.com/baronvontoast/1304312287012jpgen.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TimJab 07/05/11 4:17:00 PM #173:	From: JaKyL25 \| #167 Punk has actually never had to wear the Spinner Belt. All three of his reigns have been with the WHC. Oh. **. Well, my point still stands. -- http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6967/timfavre.png <cite>TimJab posted [p:52924] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #167Punk has actually never had to wear the Spinner Belt. All three of his reigns have been with the WHC.Oh.**.Well, my point still stands. -- http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6967/timfavre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 4:20:00 PM #174:	I don't think Batista looked too bad with the Spinner belt. He only had it twice; the first was for one day (he won it while injured legit and then the next night Legacy kayfabe injured him to write him out), and the second was during his Heeltista run where his wardrobe got crazy. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52925] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I don't think Batista looked too bad with the Spinner belt.He only had it twice; the first was for one day (he won it while injured legit and then the next night Legacy kayfabe injured him to write him out), and the second was during his Heeltista run where his wardrobe got crazy. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/05/11 4:26:00 PM #175:	I don't know, Batista made it look dumb for similar reasons to Sheamus, and it's that he's a big guy (well, he was then) and the spinner belt looks like a toy already, putting the two together just makes it look like he picked it up off a department store shelf for his 8 year old son. It's a less magnified version of how absurd Mark Henry would look with that thing by sheer virtue of his physical appearance. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:52926] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I don't know, Batista made it look dumb for similar reasons to Sheamus, and it's that he's a big guy (well, he was then) and the spinner belt looks like a toy already, putting the two together just makes it look like he picked it up off a department store shelf for his 8 year old son. It's a less magnified version of how absurd Mark Henry would look with that thing by sheer virtue of his physical appearance. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 4:29:00 PM #176:	Well on the bright side, at least the belt isn't a picture of Jeff Hardy's face. /randomTNAhate -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52927] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Well on the bright side, at least the belt isn't a picture of Jeff Hardy's face./randomTNAhate -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/05/11 4:35:00 PM #177:	Plz, TNA, if Sting regains the belt, don't make it Joker Face Sting Belt. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:52928] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Plz, TNA, if Sting regains the belt, don't make it Joker Face Sting Belt. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:03:00 PM #178:	-- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52929] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 07/05/11 5:05:00 PM #179:	They could totally run Rey wins MITB, Punk wins the title and Rey cashes in on Punk whenever Punk shows up at another federation -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:52930] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> They could totally run Rey wins MITB, Punk wins the title and Rey cashes in on Punk whenever Punk shows up at another federation -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:21:00 PM #180:	You realize the flaw with that, right? You'd have to wait for whatever company that ended up being to have an Internet PPV, since outside of TNA those are the only things that are EVER shown live from other companies. And then you'd have to heavily, heavily promote that iPPV on WWE programming. No one wants to see that happen at a show that's taped for months in advance or just for DVD. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52931] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> You realize the flaw with that, right?You'd have to wait for whatever company that ended up being to have an Internet PPV, since outside of TNA those are the only things that are EVER shown live from other companies.And then you'd have to heavily, heavily promote that iPPV on WWE programming.No one wants to see that happen at a show that's taped for months in advance or just for DVD. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:23:00 PM #181:	And I think the idea of "Money In the Bank is valid even outside of WWE jurisdiction" is a stretch even for pro wrestling. It essentially sets a precedent that MitB operates under 24/7 rules. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52932] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> And I think the idea of "Money In the Bank is valid even outside of WWE jurisdiction" is a stretch even for pro wrestling.It essentially sets a precedent that MitB operates under 24/7 rules. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:23:00 PM #182:	or wwe could just co-brand one of their ppvs with that company which would probably be roh -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52933] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> or wwe could just co-brand one of their ppvs with that companywhich would probably be roh -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:24:00 PM #183:	more like "Money in the Bank is valid as long as it's being used for a title created by WWE Inc." -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52934] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> more like "Money in the Bank is valid as long as it's being used for a title created by WWE Inc." -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:27:00 PM #184:	That still doesn't make any sense though. If ROH (for example) is where it happens, why would ROH officials honor the contract? What would be the penalty? You can't strip Punk of the title because by that point he would no longer TECHNICALLY be Champion, he'd just be walking around as the unbeaten Champion, possibly with the actual belt, but it's not like WWE would continue to recognize his reign. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52935] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> That still doesn't make any sense though.If ROH (for example) is where it happens, why would ROH officials honor the contract? What would be the penalty?You can't strip Punk of the title because by that point he would no longer TECHNICALLY be Champion, he'd just be walking around as the unbeaten Champion, possibly with the actual belt, but it's not like WWE would continue to recognize his reign. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:28:00 PM #185:	What would be the penalty? a protracted legal battle that would leave the tiny promotion penniless -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52936] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> What would be the penalty?a protracted legal battle that would leave the tiny promotion penniless -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/05/11 5:29:00 PM #186:	From: Viktor Vaughn \| #169 Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person. I already said this to Voltch but I think it's a terrible idea. You're basically making Punk and to a much lesser extent MitB guy B look good at the expense of Cena and especially MitB guy A. But there'd also be no reason in character for Punk to back out of his quitting at that point. So either it bridges into Punk coming back because "???" which is probably weak storywriting, or else Punk leaves and you built him up like that just for good TV, which is not a bad thing, but there are just as good ways to do this which don't have Punk destroying everyone for very little payout beyond good TV. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:52937] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: Viktor Vaughn \| #169Alvarez and Meltzer had this idea of turning Punk face by having him beat Cena, only for Vince to come out and order one of the MitB winners to cash in. The idea is that he'd beat that guy too; then Vince orders the second winner to cash in, and he'd lose the title to that person.I already said this to Voltch but I think it's a terrible idea. You're basically making Punk and to a much lesser extent MitB guy B look good at the expense of Cena and especially MitB guy A. But there'd also be no reason in character for Punk to back out of his quitting at that point. So either it bridges into Punk coming back because "???" which is probably weak storywriting, or else Punk leaves and you built him up like that just for good TV, which is not a bad thing, but there are just as good ways to do this which don't have Punk destroying everyone for very little payout beyond good TV. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:30:00 PM #187:	I don't like the idea of Vince coming in as anything but a plot device anymore. I realize that the actual notable draws are thin at the moment but this doesn't need to turn into an Austin re-hash with a twist. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52938] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I don't like the idea of Vince coming in as anything but a plot device anymore.I realize that the actual notable draws are thin at the moment but this doesn't need to turn into an Austin re-hash with a twist. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:31:00 PM #188:	Yeah I'd rather not see that either. edit: it's an interesting idea, though! interesting and good are different things, however. -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52939] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Yeah I'd rather not see that either.edit: it's an interesting idea, though! interesting and good are different things, however. -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/05/11 5:34:00 PM #189:	Eh. Just because it's a wrestler vs McMahon doesn't mean it has to be an Austin re-hash. Wrestler vs authority figure has been done many times. Hell it's being done with Teddy Long vs Christian right now...! -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:52940] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Eh. Just because it's a wrestler vs McMahon doesn't mean it has to be an Austin re-hash. Wrestler vs authority figure has been done many times. Hell it's being done with Teddy Long vs Christian right now...! -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:34:00 PM #190:	And even then, they don't NEED to blow through the MitB guys doing that angle. We already established the precedent at Elimination Chamber 2010 that Vince has the power to just walk out and make title matches if he wants. No briefcase necessary. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52941] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> And even then, they don't NEED to blow through the MitB guys doing that angle.We already established the precedent at Elimination Chamber 2010 that Vince has the power to just walk out and make title matches if he wants. No briefcase necessary. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:37:00 PM #191:	"An outspoken upstart entering into a feud with Vince because he doesn't fit the mold of what Vince McMahon sees as a good representative of the WWE as Champion and has to scratch and claw to hold onto the title because of it" is almost certainly an Austin re-hash. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52942] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> "An outspoken upstart entering into a feud with Vince because he doesn't fit the mold of what Vince McMahon sees as a good representative of the WWE as Champion and has to scratch and claw to hold onto the title because of it" is almost certainly an Austin re-hash. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/05/11 5:38:00 PM #192:	I like the idea of burning through a MitB winner, or even two, because MitB is kinda overdone at this point and seeing both cases burned for naught would make me smile. But Punk needs to walk out with the belt in that case, and needs to basically hang around WWE in spite of being "unemployed" as a form of mocking or just being a sport and letting the lesser athletes have a chance to win their belt back before he walks out. Which I don't think is out of the question anyway-- I'm not sure why the solution to Punk walking out with the belt is necessarily "WWE vs RoH PPV to get the belt back." And it's not like his contract actually expiring 4REAL necessarily means anything as far as his employment goes. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:52943] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I like the idea of burning through a MitB winner, or even two, because MitB is kinda overdone at this point and seeing both cases burned for naught would make me smile. But Punk needs to walk out with the belt in that case, and needs to basically hang around WWE in spite of being "unemployed" as a form of mocking or just being a sport and letting the lesser athletes have a chance to win their belt back before he walks out. Which I don't think is out of the question anyway-- I'm not sure why the solution to Punk walking out with the belt is necessarily "WWE vs RoH PPV to get the belt back." And it's not like his contract actually expiring 4REAL necessarily means anything as far as his employment goes. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:40:00 PM #193:	Although if this somehow lead to another Deadly Games tournament at Survivor Series that ends with Cena turning on the fans and becoming The Corporate Champion that would be kinda amusing, especially considering WM. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52944] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Although if this somehow lead to another Deadly Games tournament at Survivor Series that ends with Cena turning on the fans and becoming The Corporate Champion that would be kinda amusing, especially considering WM. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/05/11 5:41:00 PM #194:	From: JaKyL25 \| #191 "An outspoken upstart entering into a feud with Vince because he doesn't fit the mold of what Vince McMahon sees as a good representative of the WWE as Champion and has to scratch and claw to hold onto the title because of it" is almost certainly an Austin re-hash. On paper it is, yes. That doesn't mean it has to pan out similarly though. Not every idea under the sun has to be 100% new-- execution matters more than innovation I think! -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:52945] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #191"An outspoken upstart entering into a feud with Vince because he doesn't fit the mold of what Vince McMahon sees as a good representative of the WWE as Champion and has to scratch and claw to hold onto the title because of it" is almost certainly an Austin re-hash.On paper it is, yes. That doesn't mean it has to pan out similarly though. Not every idea under the sun has to be 100% new-- execution matters more than innovation I think! -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:44:00 PM #195:	I just don't even really see a way that it would even get executed differently, given that setup and assuming it has to play out to some end eventually. Well, not ENTIRELY the same. Punk would spray Cena and Vince with Diet Pepsi instead of beer. Revenge against Cena for spilling his soda! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52946] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I just don't even really see a way that it would even get executed differently, given that setup and assuming it has to play out to some end eventually.Well, not ENTIRELY the same. Punk would spray Cena and Vince with Diet Pepsi instead of beer. Revenge against Cena for spilling his soda! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gr8CyberMonkey 07/05/11 5:50:00 PM #196:	They could turn this into Cena vs Vince, where the champion is seen as a good representative for WWE, but he unselfishly wants other people to have the same opportunities that he had. -- Please don't go. The Drones need you. Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded. <cite>Gr8CyberMonkey posted [p:52947] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> They could turn this into Cena vs Vince, where the champion is seen as a good representative for WWE, but he unselfishly wants other people to have the same opportunities that he had. -- Please don't go. The Drones need you.Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:51:00 PM #197:	john cena as jesus christ -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52948] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> john cenaasjesus christ -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/05/11 5:52:00 PM #198:	I think you're underestimating the story possibilities. Maybe this time Vince actually gets beaten in ways that are less brute-force like and more smart. Maybe this time Punk goes too far even for the renegade wrestler role and gets hated as a result. Maybe "the corporate champ" role isn't there as an extension of Vince this time but just out for themselves, and when Vince wants them to do things his way they leave him high and dry. I dunno there's a lot of different twists it could take. I'd need a plot summary of Austin vs Vince cause I don't even remember exactly what happened there beginning to end, but yeah. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:52949] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> I think you're underestimating the story possibilities.Maybe this time Vince actually gets beaten in ways that are less brute-force like and more smart. Maybe this time Punk goes too far even for the renegade wrestler role and gets hated as a result. Maybe "the corporate champ" role isn't there as an extension of Vince this time but just out for themselves, and when Vince wants them to do things his way they leave him high and dry. I dunno there's a lot of different twists it could take. I'd need a plot summary of Austin vs Vince cause I don't even remember exactly what happened there beginning to end, but yeah. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 07/05/11 5:53:00 PM #199:	It would be kinda cool if somehow Zack Ryder ended up being the tipping point that set off a war between Cena and Vince over the direction of WWE. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:52950] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> It would be kinda cool if somehow Zack Ryder ended up being the tipping point that set off a war between Cena and Vince over the direction of WWE. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://i.neoseeker.com/n/2/nintendo_quality_seal.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/05/11 5:54:00 PM #200:	Zack wins a tag team title shot, Vince take it away to "rib the kid" -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:52951] in All Purpos... [t:59634110]...</cite> <quote> Zack wins a tag team title shot, Vince take it away to "rib the kid" -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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