Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 23: "Our rage is beyond your control!"

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Justin i'm glad you and I came to the same idea on the same day. Nasus has a 95 percent slow. I'll repeat 95 percent slow to your attack speed and movement. He gimps the enemy carry beyond belief.

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Justin_Crossing posted...
From: KanzarisKelshen | #098
There was exactly one big buff and it came with a bunch of nerfs. Don't be ridiculous.

PS: The same happened to Morde way back, so the argument holds, even. Take a wild guess as to what the change was while you're at it.
you are the one being completely ridiculous

Red doesn't know what he's talking about because doesn't play the champion if he thinks Morde is useless after flashing. The ghost isn't the one good thing he has on top of a bad kit. His whole kit is a weapon and knowing how to use it is how morde wins, not ulting the carry and having his team focus him. Morde doesn't need a team to kill one guy.

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does that take tenacity into account?

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TheConductorSix posted...
Justin i'm glad you and I came to the same idea on the same day. Nasus has a 95 percent slow. I'll repeat 95 percent slow to your attack speed and movement. He gimps the enemy carry beyond belief.

For a second, at the end of five seconds. Also, it's 105% except it's not so yeah.

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There was exactly one big buff and it came with a bunch of nerfs. Don't be ridiculous.

You clearly never played fiddle pre-buff.

Hes an entirely different champion now.

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Red doesn't know what he's talking about because doesn't play the champion if he thinks Morde is useless after flashing.

hey, I'm not the one putting up consistent losses with kaiser.

The kaiser problem isnt when he has flash up, or even after he has flash. Its when he doesnt have it at all. He doesnt have the ability to gap close, meaning good teams will kite him around all day long. And seeing as he needs to build DPS to not be worthless, hes just a bit tankier than your average champion. This tankiness doesnt help him with closing that gap that he needs to make a clone of a squishy.

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red13n posted...
There was exactly one big buff and it came with a bunch of nerfs. Don't be ridiculous.

You clearly never played fiddle pre-buff.

Hes an entirely different champion now.

I know that, but he got one big buff and not several unless you count the bug fixes/adjustments. You're exaggerating to support your point while I'm sticking to facts, so have the decency to stop it.

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I know that, but he got one big buff and not several unless you count the bug fixes/adjustments. You're exaggerating to support your point while I'm sticking to facts, so have the decency to stop it.

I didnt say he got several buffs, I said he got one big buff.

It was huge. It totally changed him and made him from near worthless to an excellent champion. I'm not exaggerating anything and I have no idea where you are getting this from.

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red13n posted...
Red doesn't know what he's talking about because doesn't play the champion if he thinks Morde is useless after flashing.

hey, I'm not the one putting up consistent losses with kaiser.

The kaiser problem isnt when he has flash up, or even after he has flash. Its when he doesnt have it at all. He doesnt have the ability to gap close, meaning good teams will kite him around all day long. And seeing as he needs to build DPS to not be worthless, hes just a bit tankier than your average champion. This tankiness doesnt help him with closing that gap that he needs to make a clone of a squishy.

This is a fair point, actually. I'd counter that kaiser crippling one of the solos is what lessens this issue, but it's sort of an unrelated thing. Really, the way to alleviate this issue is simply to have a team that can dismantle kiters if you're picking kaiser, which is to say that's a flaw he has. I don't think it's as huge as you do though - even the best players make several mistakes across a game, and Kaiser punishes each mistake incredibly hard so you can get around it.

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red13n posted...

I know that, but he got one big buff and not several unless you count the bug fixes/adjustments. You're exaggerating to support your point while I'm sticking to facts, so have the decency to stop it.

I didnt say he got several buffs, I said he got one big buff.

It was huge. It totally changed him and made him from near worthless to an excellent champion. I'm not exaggerating anything and I have no idea where you are getting this from.

You said buffs before, but if you were just talking about the crowstorm change I 100% agree. That half-second makes such a huge difference it's kind of scary. If you're good enough you can just storm from the backlines, which is a huge change from the old "storm fromt he bush or don't get any damage at all" Fids.

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You said buffs before

He got the crowstorm change, and the range on his fear. Buffs(in addition to a few other tweaks that generally just made fiddle better). I did not say buffs when I meant buff, I meant buffs.

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also for the record

those of you who think that the support changes are only soraka and sona are dead wrong

taric, nidalee, and other healers (if there are any big ones to name) are being nerfed across the board their changes just weren't posted yet

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I'm okay with them getting nerfed. Might make champions like Blitz and Leona more used.

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SythaWarrior posted...
I'm okay with them getting nerfed. Might make champions like Blitz and Leona more used.

Negative, it's gonna be pantheon all day erryday.

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From: Justin_Crossing | #113
taric, nidalee, and other healers (if there are any big ones to name) are being nerfed across the board their changes just weren't posted yet

sounds like alistar is getting better

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
There was exactly one big buff and it came with a bunch of nerfs. Don't be ridiculous.

Are you for real right now? Fiddle got buffs to everything except the length of his fear, which was dropped by one second. You got it totally backwards.

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Biolizard28 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
There was exactly one big buff and it came with a bunch of nerfs. Don't be ridiculous.

Are you for real right now? Fiddle got buffs to everything except the length of his fear, which was dropped by one second. You got it totally backwards.

Drain got lowered manacosts but a nerfed ratio, dark wind lost bounces but got a fixed trajectory, and crowstorm got the lowered channel which is godly.

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Once the Nasus slow is on the carry that carry is dead. Though Nasus faces the same problem as Morde:endless kite. Where the slow shines is in lane. It lets me over extend a great deal because lol jungler slowed damage recovered shortly with built in life steal. I'm considering running Cleanse on him to aid in the whole kite Nasus thing. Good idea or bad idea, Red?

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TheConductorSix posted...
Once the Nasus slow is on the carry that carry is dead. Though Nasus faces the same problem as Morde:endless kite. Where the slow shines is in lane. It lets me over extend a great deal because lol jungler slowed damage recovered shortly with built in life steal. I'm considering running Cleanse on him to aid in the whole kite Nasus thing. Good idea or bad idea, Red?

That's seriously not the case because flash exists. The carry just flashes back, takes a potshot, then uses abilities until wither wears off. It's why Nasus isn't used much, Wither just isn't a strong deterrent when instant movement is out there.

Also, cleanse doesn't help a lot. Get flash and ghost instead, or flash and exhaust. Works better imo.

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Peace___Frog posted...
does that take tenacity into account?

Tenacity doesn't affect Nasus's slow.

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Justin_Crossing posted...
like all his team has to do is focus the AD carry and they win teamfights.

[this post about mordekaiser]

You realize you just said that "all his team has to do is kill the AD carry". This sentence presupposes much about the game and simply being able to kill the AD carry on a whim does not happen and when it DOES happen its because the AD carry was somewhere that they should not have been. Being able to get that 'free kill' REQUIRES a mistake on your opponents part and is not something you can count on or make part of your game plan.

You will capitalize when the mistakes are made, certainly, but you can't say that kaiser is imbalanced because of a situation that results when his opponents do something stupid.



Biolizard28 posted...
I don't get why you would nerf Sona's heal. It was already pretty useless.

No. Her heal and skillset makes her one of the best supports still. She sees a lot of use in high level play and she deserves it.



Peace___Frog posted...
also - why did they release a Blitz spotlight now

and I disagree a lot with Phreak's style, I don't know what that means

Like, I get E at level 2 and finish it last (I go R>Q>W>E), for shorter CDs on the Q. Maybe because I miss a lot of grabs, so I need the shorter CD.

Power fist *must* be maxed first imo.

You will not often be able to use more than 1 hook in a fight early game because your fights will be short exchanges that mostly consist of them attempting to not be hooked. Having a 14 sec CD instead of 20 second CD doesn't do a bit of good when the fight only lasts 9 seconds.

But getting your power fist to a 4 second cooldown? Now that is a pretty big deal. When possible you want to initiate with run in and power fist. A knock up is a disable as surely as any other is. Yeah they can flash to safety, but then their flash is down for 210 seconds which gives you 206 seconds to land another power fist. Not to mention the fact that when they flash they will still be in range of a hook which should still be up. And with your movespeed from W you can be assured of landing the next power fist assuming your ally is doing anything useful at all. Because make no mistake blitz is meant to set other people up for kills. You wont normally expect to chase someone down and kill them all by yourself, but the ability to run into a lane with that kind of speed and set up a fight/gank on your own terms is huge. And being able to get a 2nd fist off after 4 seconds is more important than a 2nd hook that you shouldn't need anyways.



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Kanz are you really arguing with red about fiddle and comparing him to kaiser of all champs?

There is a reason I put 20 straight fiddle games in as soon as the changes happened. They were a BIG ****ing deal and I knew it. And it took less than a week for fiddle to start making pretty regular appearances in games when he was almost never seen before.

You compared Fiddle and Kaiser because they "blow everything on their ult combos", but I would say that fiddle has much more usefulness with his ult down than kaiser.

The range on both Dark Wind and his Fear makes him a lot better ultless than kaiser could ever hope to be. He can pretty safely toss dark winds at will and that fear is instant death to enemies who slip into it's range during a teamfight stand-off.

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I have fallen in love with Lux, I'm going to save the IP and buy her (I'd buy her with RP, but she's too expensive). A few questions, though.

1. What's the best starting skill?
2. What ability do I prioritize?
3. What are some good items?
4. Any tips?

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Light binding first skill always imo.

And from there it depends on if you're trying to be rawr-ap-carry-lux or if you are starting bottom and attempting to support someone.

iirc HGR is the person you want to talk to about lux. Red has played her a fair amount also, though not recently I think. I have general ideas about how I think she goes, but they've both actually put in the time.

ATTN Red
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If you're playing Support Lux you're doing it wrong.

Ability Points go Q -> E -> E -> W -> E -> R -> E -> Q -> E -> Max Q -> Max E

Items are either one or two Doran's into Rabadon's (or Mejai's if you're consistent enough, since Lux can abuse it), into Void Staff into Lich Bane. Also Sorc boots in there.

For your burst I generally find it easier to get everything off if you go Q -> E -> R -> Pop E to make sure they die instead of Q -> E -> Pop E -> R. Your ultimate is also an amazing stealing tool. I stole a baron once and just a few days ago I stole a dragon completely blind. Make sure to use your shield in teamfights because it does surprising amounts of good. Also make sure to remember you can snare people behind minion waves if you aim your snare right, but poking with E is generally the best idea (and really easy). Most of your CS with Lux will be autoattack last hits until you get enough AP to clear caster minions with E (which may not ever even happen), but at Rank 5 you can clear caster minions with an E and an autoattack on each to clear your passive procs. Make sure to abuse your passive procs if you can do so safely. It does a surprising amount of damage.

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So I play Lux as all offense?

Also, how is Morgana since her changes?

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Lux offensive FO SHO.

Shield bubble is good for the end game push into their base, but even then, you should be focusing on offense. It's just nice if someone needs saving.

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I'm not talking about "offense or support" in how you build her but in how you play her.

obviously lux needs to build AP and as much of it as she can manage, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she should be getting a good chunk of farm with which to do it. Sometimes you can play lux bottom with a carry and use her nuke + autoattack harass to win the lane for your ally. In which case they are getting all the farm but you are using lux's skillset to be super useful and win your bottom lane.

You end up building her the same (as you eventually manage to get the gold to fund yourself), but your early game focus is on your team dynamic rather than farming for yourself.

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Lux bot lane support is awful and is no fun and you end up being so stalled that it's unreal.

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Alright, I'll keep all of this in mind. How good a mid is she? I know she's viable, but how viable?

Also, what's her best skin? I may buy one.

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I honestly have never had trouble midding with her but I can imagine someone like Kennen would give her issues. It's just that her E is such incredibly long range.

Also Spellthief is by far the best skin.

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I am downloading this game now

I will probably suck

account name is just VincentLauw

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VincentLauw posted...
I am downloading this game now

I will probably suck

account name is just VincentLauw

Big V!

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taric, nidalee, and other healers (if there are any big ones to name) are being nerfed across the board their changes just weren't posted yet

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Power fist *must* be maxed first imo.

You will not often be able to use more than 1 hook in a fight early game because your fights will be short exchanges that mostly consist of them attempting to not be hooked. Having a 14 sec CD instead of 20 second CD doesn't do a bit of good when the fight only lasts 9 seconds.

But getting your power fist to a 4 second cooldown? Now that is a pretty big deal. When possible you want to initiate with run in and power fist. A knock up is a disable as surely as any other is. Yeah they can flash to safety, but then their flash is down for 210 seconds which gives you 206 seconds to land another power fist. Not to mention the fact that when they flash they will still be in range of a hook which should still be up. And with your movespeed from W you can be assured of landing the next power fist assuming your ally is doing anything useful at all. Because make no mistake blitz is meant to set other people up for kills. You wont normally expect to chase someone down and kill them all by yourself, but the ability to run into a lane with that kind of speed and set up a fight/gank on your own terms is huge. And being able to get a 2nd fist off after 4 seconds is more important than a 2nd hook that you shouldn't need anyways.

I see what you're saying in terms of the CD. So I need to be more patient with my grabs instead of always trying to go for the lucky grab. But when it comes to mid-game teamfights with both teams just kind of waving their dicks at each other in the middle of the map, having a shorter CD on the grab means I can have more chances to make that lucky grab. But relying on luck is usually a bad idea (see: dodge). I know that.

As for Blitz being a set-up for others, I agree 100%. I cringe when I get kills on Blitz, because he really doesn't need them. I usually get an early Tear, then level 1 boots, then build tanky depending on who's the most threatening on the other team. Glacial Shroud or Catalyst is usually pretty early for me.

I also used to think (but I might need to test this now, since I just never really gave it that much thought before) that maxing W early was important, for shorter CD and increased speed. I guess maxing W second would still be fine, and I'll just leave that 1 point in Q until all I have left is to level up my Q (so go R>E>W>Q). I definitely should try some games out, especially since I'm trying a new rune set-up for Blitz and Galio (trying flat armor/MR marks, because I'm not trying to maximize my damage for either of those champs).

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Garen is an unreal solo top. I take back what I said about Nasus because Garen thrashes Nasus solo top.

Nasus: *goes in to last hit*
Garen: NO YOU DID NOT
*Garen Q-Es*
Nasus: where the **** did half my hp go

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Also for the record, Poppy is not getting nerfed. Ezreal just said he wanted her nerfed. Phreak said she won't be being nerfed.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...
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Kanz are you really arguing with red about fiddle and comparing him to kaiser of all champs?

There is a reason I put 20 straight fiddle games in as soon as the changes happened. They were a BIG ****ing deal and I knew it. And it took less than a week for fiddle to start making pretty regular appearances in games when he was almost never seen before.

You compared Fiddle and Kaiser because they "blow everything on their ult combos", but I would say that fiddle has much more usefulness with his ult down than kaiser.

The range on both Dark Wind and his Fear makes him a lot better ultless than kaiser could ever hope to be. He can pretty safely toss dark winds at will and that fear is instant death to enemies who slip into it's range during a teamfight stand-off.

Each of them has a QE that do what they have to do exceedingly well, yeah. I try to get QSS whenever I face fiddles these days, because getting feared for so long is a death sentence. If I had to face Kaiser I'd get good amounts of MR instead since the ult isn't cleansable these days, probably a banshee's.

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good god, they're practically removing soraka from the game.

was this really a problem? Do they envision some stupid future where anyone can take any lane and be successful, rather than team tactics ruling the day?

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Hell, honestly, Poppy needs a nerf more than Morde does.

Neither are OP except when fed in solo queue, but the difference is you can do next to nothing about a fed Poppy in solo queue; Morde can at least be managed.

So is there a b8 chatroom?

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So is there a b8 chatroom?

Board 8

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now I feel silly. I tried b8, B8, board8, but no Board 8

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From: Justin_Crossing | #139
Garen is an unreal solo top. I take back what I said about Nasus because Garen thrashes Nasus solo top.

Nasus: *goes in to last hit*
Garen: NO YOU DID NOT
*Garen Q-Es*
Nasus: where the **** did half my hp go

it's that exact reason that I had a serious WTF moment when I found out they buffed him recently

"garen is an immovable force during the laning phase, let's just cement that idea by requiring his opponents to get a ward for their own bushes or tower hug all game. great idea"

you know, I say that and I've been able to force garens out of lane since then with the pantheon buffs

Worse than Garen getting something is Kat getting nothing.

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Biolizard28 posted...
Worse than Garen getting something is Kat getting nothing.

I'm not sure what they can do for her. Her main problem is that any hard CC ruins her ultimate, and there's nothing they can do about that short of something ridiculous like making her immune to CC while in death lotus, which would be insane.

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