Hoooooooooly moly that was long, but it was worth it.
Edgeworth's long-waited return was welcome despite Franziska carrying the majority of the game well. Their upcoming feud should be fun. Engarde/Adrian/de Killer's relationship was a great final angle after bad first impressions about the case; making you weigh such difficult decisions was a quality decision. Did we ever find out anything specific about what was on Celeste's suicide note though? This was the only time I've had to use a FAQ for PW, and I surprisingly have no regrets on this case.
There's some great music from 2-4, too.
I've not played PW:TaT (but will after I try some other games first), so don't be "that guy" talking about its spoilers please!
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2-4's the best case by far, and I still have a hard time understanding anyone who puts any case other than 1-4 above it. Everything is so perfectly executed. They finally delve into the idea of "what if Phoenix has to defend someone guilty?" and basically pull off that plot as best as they possibly could.
Almost to the point where JFA seems singularly designed to deliver that story, the rest is just padding (though 2-2 was alright). It may be the weakest game in the series, but it definitely has the best case.
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JFA is not the weakest game in the series, if only because it has 2-4. It's way better than AJ and AAI at the very least, although not as good as the other two games in the PW trilogy.
In fact I draw parallels between JFA and Pokemon GSC (the original). GSC is the worst game in its series until the last bit, but that last bit is so awesome it redeems the entire game.
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I chose Not Guilty the first time, then Guilty the second time. Engarde's frightened-picture at the end was great. I'd love to see a case in the future based on de Killer going after Engarde...!
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Johto was small and the gym leaders regressed in levels. Kanto was crap too. I'd almost rather we got a really awesome, huge region instead of squeezing an empty, easily-completed Kanto in there.
It was fine because it was a Pokemon game but it sure as hell isn't anything amazing. It needed HG/SS to fulfill the huge amounts of unfulfilled potential. Emerald outclasses it until the last two boss fights, which brings GSC as a whole onto a good level. I think I might still prefer Emerald on the whole though.
Paratroopa1 posted... JFA is not the weakest game in the series, if only because it has 2-4. It's way better than AJ and AAI at the very least, although not as good as the other two games in the PW trilogy.
While AJ isn't massively liked by people here, AAI was way better than JFA, even with 2-4. AAI may not have had any 2-4 quality cases but all were good, and it also frankly has a bit more of a fun factor via the new mechanics ad exploration and stuff. As an Adventure game, the whole product is a lot better designed at its core, so it was more fun to play overall. AJ has a bit of this too, but I mainly prefer it to JFA because it's simply more consistently good, and even when it's not very good (4-3) it's never tedious. 2-1 has to be the single worst, most mind-numbingy dull case in the series, and for a (rather short) opener, that's a major crime. On the other hand, AJ starts very strong and continues for a while, and while it blunders here and there it delivered an enjoyable whole product at the end. JFA on the other hand is largely boring, and the only AA game to truly bore me. Definitely the weakest.
Also XIII, Johto was awesome. GSC was at least better than RBY from the start, it just compounded that after you beat the Elite Four.
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"If you don't pick "Guilty" at the end, then you missed the point of the case...!"
Was literally going to post this. I posted as much in my write-up when I did the case tierring, as I recall!
Also on the suicide note, I thought it was left ambiguous? They never stated there wasn't one, just that the one Juan was blackmailing Engarde with was faked.
Also, obligatory statement of it being the best case (which it is!).
EDIT: From my write-up of it:
Incidentally, if you chose "Not Guilty" you didn't 'get' it. The entire point of the case is that Phoenix is learning that the truth must be found and justice must be done. Hell, the name of the game is 'justice for all'! Matt Engarde is guilty, he should get a guilty verdict, end of.
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If there was a suicide note, no one knows its contents. They say there was evidence Celeste left one (The traces of ink on her index finger), and Adrian's convinced Celeste wouldn't have killed herself without leaving one. That being said, if there was one, Juan probably destroyed it and replaced it with the fake one.
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Incidentally, if you chose "Not Guilty" you didn't 'get' it. The entire point of the case is that Phoenix is learning that the truth must be found and justice must be done. Hell, the name of the game is 'justice for all'! Matt Engarde is guilty, he should get a guilty verdict, end of.
I thought picking Not Guilty got Engarde quite a bit of deserved justice, actually. And considering the game as good as says right before that either choice is fine, I would say that you are the one who didn't get it.
Didn't really like 2-4 that much, myself. Good, not great.
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From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #023 And considering the game as good as says right before that either choice is fine, I would say that you are the one who didn't get it.
"Either choice is fine" in the sense that "Engarde's going to get what's coming to him one way or the other," and he's going to end up begging for the guilty verdict regardless knowing that freedom means de Killer is after him.
But the whole point of 2-4 is that there are more important things than getting "Not Guilty" verdicts and Phoenix trying to figure out why he fights and how to defend people.
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From: LeonhartFour | #024 "Either choice is fine" in the sense that "Engarde's going to get what's coming to him one way or the other," and he's going to end up begging for the guilty verdict regardless knowing that freedom means de Killer is after him.
But the whole point of 2-4 is that there are more important things than getting "Not Guilty" verdicts and Phoenix trying to figure out why he fights and how to defend people.
But that's irrelevant because for all intents and purposes, that message is already over and done with. Phoenix already acted on it; Engarde's finished. Picking Not Guilty is just a mean-spirited bit of payback; it doesn't have anything to do with that stuff.
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No, it's quite obvious that we're talking about the last choice, after de Killer states that he'd try to kill Engarde for betraying their contract and you have the option to throw Engarde to the wolves.
From: LeonhartFour | #026 It's irrelevant in the sense that the end result is the same, sure.
But it's more the principle of the thing.
No, it's irrelevant in every sense of the word. You're failing to look at this from the correct perspective.
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From: LeonhartFour | #030 What perspective is that, exactly?
Phoenix's, being the only one that matters.
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2-4 easily the best along with 1-4. AA2 still the worst game overall, but what i think gets overlooked a lot is that it's the single case that best utilizes the 2-day format. i feel that that format was made for that case, and that the entire game was in fact a vessel for the case.
AA3 is the best all-around game due to the thorough solidness of its cases, but it's easily got the weakest finale (in fact, the finale may be the weakest case in that game)
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I remember being really confused by all the animosity towards JFA... and then I actually replayed it.
While I still think the plot and characters get ragged on too much, the general flow of the writing and script throughout the first three cases is very lacklustre. In particular, there was one point where a string of basic grammar errors almost completely ruined my immersion with the story.
The massive, massive leap in quality that is 2-4 truly astounds me.
2-4 is great. JFA is mostly bad. JFA is better than AJ. GSC wasn't bad throughout; what the hell?
The point of picking Not Guilty for the second option is pure schadenfreude. You're not picking Not Guilty because you actually care about getting the Not Guilty verdict (if you are, then yeah, you're doing it wrong); you're picking Not Guilty to really rub Engarde's nose in it. To go "You want that Not Guilty verdict so bad that you're willing to do all that and hurt so many people? Then fine; take it, and reap what you sew." It's like the difference between saying "YOU LOSE" and forcing the loser to admit they lost.
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I think 2-2 is quite underrated, as I enjoyed the Miney plot twist a lot. I didn't really care for 2-3 though. What I do like about those two cases is that they present the murderers in a sympathetic light, therefore setting up for the antagonist in the final case to be the most unsympathetic person possible, and he just so happens to be your client as well. It just a little bit extra Mood Whiplash that you just don't realize is actually happening.
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From: greatone10 | #047 I think 2-2 is quite underrated, as I enjoyed the Miney plot twist a lot.
My biggest problem with 2-2 is how predictable that plot twist was to me. It frustrated me so much that it took Phoenix so long to catch on when I had figured it out about a day ago.
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I guess I'm the only one who actualyl likes most of Justice for All outside 2-4 (though 2-4 is still DA BEST)
I mean sure Case 1 is like a 5/10
but i'd give Case 2 and 3 somewhere between a 7-8
and 4 is obviously 9.5-10 status
Nope. I love JFA. PW3 > PW2 > PW1 > AAI > AJ. I think the only one who shares this opinion with me is Naye, which is funny considering our wildly different character rankings.
I loved Case 1. Not to the degree of 3-1 or 4-1, but probably more than E-1 and definitely more than 1-1. Case 2 was solid. Case 3 isn't great, but it gets way too much hate. 2-4 is pretty much the best.
2-1 has to be the single worst, most mind-numbingy dull case in the series
I will never understand how people think 2-1 is more boring than 1-1. It has great contradictions and it has a pretty good way to end the case. Plus, it's just fun to play around and has some great lines (large bananas). Honestly, 1-1 is really kind of eh and it's one of the few cases I actually don't really like at all.
Also, 3-5 is an amazing finale. I don't think it's the best case (2-4, hell yeah), but I wouldn't have the ending to the PW trilogy any other way.
And the whole Guilty/Not Guilty thing, man, picking Not Guilty after getting the evidence is the best. "As always, the defense chooses Not Guilty!" That, complete with Phoenix's smugface just complete makes that scene. It's so great. But I can definitely understand why you would choose Guilty, since I chose that first.
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Yeah, I don't get how people don't really consider 1-1 the worst case in the series, objectively speaking. You can beat it in 20 minutes, and it has one good moment: The toupee toss. Granted, the toupee toss is legendary, but other than that, the case is dull.
Well, that's not entirely true.
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