Mickie didn't hit them she had a nervous breakdown. Not quite the same thing.
Though that being said it's also different if it's someone you know, even in a non friendly context, and not someone on the street.
I'd feel pretty confident if I called some guy at my office I don't get along with an alcoholic repeatedly and he wasn't one he wouldn't get furious about it and attack me he'd just get irritated and blow me off. And the thing is I could literally be doing anything to badger him for the same effect so it really makes the basis of the insult kinda lose a lot of its impapct.
Like Jericho might as well just be doing the most annoying noise in the world at Punk repeatedly.
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I think the hard-sell with this angle as a whole is that this has been a HEEL gimmick for him for so long. Your adult casual audience doesnt connect with it and kids dont really either.
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From: Lopen | #251 I'd feel pretty confident if I called some guy at my office I don't get along with an alcoholic repeatedly and he wasn't one he wouldn't get furious about it and attack me he'd just get irritated and blow me off. And the thing is I could literally be doing anything to badger him for the same effect so it really makes the basis of the insult kinda lose a lot of its impapct.
Wait...isn't this basically what Punk did last night? Had some fun with Jericho by turning his mind games against him? He didn't get angry or anything.
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I think Lopen is purposefully forgetting that Jericho also started airing Punk's dirty laundry to the entire world as well and involved his family in it too.
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #259 I think Lopen is purposefully forgetting that Jericho also started airing Punk's dirty laundry to the entire world as well and involved his family in it too.
I explicitly said that the thing was good until they diverted from that approach to the rivalry.
Like getting pissed at airing your dirty laundry totally buy this.
"You're an alcoholic" repeatedly not so much. And you can say that Punk was all giggles but he wasn't really. Last night was the only time he got anything resembling not angry about that. And he still clubbed Jericho at the end so it's not like he was totally composed either.
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I'm not sure what your issue is then because every time that Jericho has taken the time to say "I'M GONNA MAKE YOU AN ALCOHOLIC!" he's been smashing bottles over Punk's head, been involving his family, or he's been recording him and trying to make everyone believe that he's become an alcoholic.
So I'm not understanding why you have such an issue with it.
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Heel Bikertaker is just one amazing thing after another. Throwing Maven through a popcorn machine. Beating up David Flair while going "You have a sister don't you?"
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #262 I'm not sure what your issue is then because every time that Jericho has taken the time to say "I'M GONNA MAKE YOU AN ALCOHOLIC!" he's been smashing bottles over Punk's head, been involving his family, or he's been recording him and trying to make everyone believe that he's become an alcoholic.
So I'm not understanding why you have such an issue with it.
Well for one thing, this week he didnt, which is what we're discussing.
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Lopen posted... I just can't really feel Punk legitimately getting angry about this. When Jericho was insulting his family? Yeah, definitely. But like the whole "you're an alcoholic just admit it" thing he should be laughing it off. Like I wasn't just pulling out some random bad angle when I compared it to Piggy James, they're really similar to me in some ways at this point.
Jericho: You're an alcoholic Punk: I'm not an alcoholic but NOW I'M MAD
I think the whole "beat Punk over the head with a glass bottle and douse him in alcohol" might have something to do with it. It's not just "call him an alcoholic", it is "say his alcoholism is inevitable, and that it is all his father's fault".
Speaking of Kofi Kingston that was the only good part of Raw, Kofi vs Jericho.
Kinda made me sad Kofi's so irrelevant these days. Here I thought he was killed by having the belts as a place holder but apparently he's doomed for irrelevance regardless, they just go to him to die.
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From: Lopen | #279 Speaking of Kofi Kingston that was the only good part of Raw, Kofi vs Jericho.
Kinda made me sad Kofi's so irrelevant these days. Here I thought he was killed by having the belts as a place holder but apparently he's doomed for irrelevance regardless, they just go to him to die.
Kofi is the modern day JYD: super popular upper-midcarder Jobber to the Stars.
He exists in a stasis to be in position to make a heel look title-ready when a heel needs credibility.
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Youre gonna play the brand-sep card when you JUST admitted that it didnt matter.
Hell Henry was an SD guy til he conveniently beat Punk!
It doesn't matter, but I assume Ace wouldn't have gone through the trouble of doing the paperwork to make ADR a SmackDown guy if he was just gonna turn around and have him fight for the Raw title. <_<
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As I was saying in the chat last night, while the execution was pretty bad, I do really like what they're attempting to do with Brock vs. Cena.
It's the total contrast to Rock vs. Cena, and intentionally so IMO.
It's debatable whether or not they NEED these tangible Brock demands in order to sell the idea of there being a legitimate difference whether Cena is the Face of WWE or Brock, but I do think it helps drive the point home.
Brock Lesnar is basically everything Cena (in the end wrongly) accused Rock of being, but hyper-ized. There's no facade. There's no illusion. He's here for the fame and fortune, and nothing else.
Cena, for his part, actually is making his inability to emote work. The loss to Rock actually rattled his foundation, and now he's stuck in some sort of weird limbo trying to find his identity. It's like his body is just coasting while his mind struggles for the answer. His response to Edge's promo last night was perfect in its impotence, as was his feeble attempt at "waking up" by coming to the ring with a chain but being otherwise timid. A cosmetic change isn't what Edge was talking about, and the chain was clearly not an effective placebo. He's still so lost, and at the worst possible time.
This is all setting up Rock's return really well, to fully vindicate himself and debunk all of Cena's allegations by dethroning this avaricious beast and taking the mantle Cena has failed to claim, the mantle that was always rightfully Rock's.
At Extreme Rules the Steward of WWE will fall, and within the next year we will see the Return of the King.
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But I really can't help but just FEEL the undertones when Brock says stuff like "The only reason Cena was the face of WWE is because I was gone" when Rock left at the EXACT SAME PPV BROCK DID.
They are SO setting Rock up as the conquering hero here, and if his schedule allows him to even work a Brock schedule next year, it would be the greatest comeback in wrestling history outside of HBK.
I mean, Brock and Rock both leaving at WM XX, the same show where Cena broke through as a future star, and now 8 years later we have this triumvirate of guys essentially warring with each other meta-textually about who those 8 years rightfully belonged to...fictional truth is sometimes stranger than fictional fiction I guess.
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