Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Thrall vs. Morgl, the endless cycle

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Camden posted...

Also, I'm just now remembering Mad Scientist exists. Probably should have been running that card.

If you're on wild, the idea of playing hunter isn't that bizarro.

Well, nothing is really all that bizarre in wild, especially this late in the month.
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My Priest is already out on a quest.
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When I seen that Priest card leak last night, I was sure it was a joke, but here we are.

I guess Blizzard also heard we all like Kazakus and developed an entire keyword around it.
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Well, that's certainly some reveal. Amara is the new Reno Jackson, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAHwjbKQi04

Yikes
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I'm really not sure I like these quests. Like it's a cool mechanic if each class has a lot of them but it's looking like each class is only going to get one.

The official page says that they're legendary so you can only have 1 in your deck but that's making it sound more like each class is only getting one.

Running 7 deathrattles isn't really enough of a drawback to get such a broken card as Amara so we're going to run into the same problems we get with all of the "tribe" tags. Blizzard really needs to stop trying to force these archetypes imo.

Reserving total judgement until I see some of the other quests but this looks like a misstep to me.
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N'Zoth Amara new meta
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I hope Blizzard has plans to nerf pirate warrior. The decks too fast and with Reno cycling out, these quest cards won't see the light of day because games will be too fast to have any hope of completing them.
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Wow, if there was any class that needed it's own special type of minion to buff it's board presence, it's the one that uses elementals!
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I don't know about standard because it will depend on the quality of deathrattles in the format, but Amara seems busted in half in wild with Deathrattle Priest.

Still, Quest seems like a cool mechanic. I hope there's more than one per class. There should be, otherwise I wouldn't think they'd have to specify that you can only have one. There are probably some neutral ones at least.
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Finally saw the video.

I really like the theme for this set, though the dinosaur creature seems kinda weak as a 5 mana 5/4 (Divine Shie could be good to get but everything else is meh) which makes me a bit concerned about the adapt mechanic

The Legendaries seem good. Mage might be a bit slow but it is a control buster, Priest can be strong, depends on if resurrects increase the Quest count (to combo with Bishop and Kazakus)

Elemental tribe is cool I guess, depends on if we get discovers/tribal synergy (we probably will)

skull_bonek23 posted...

Running 7 deathrattles isn't really enough of a drawback to get such a broken card as Amara so we're going to run into the same problems we get with all of the "tribe" tags. Blizzard really needs to stop trying to force these archetypes imo.

I don't see this quest working in standard, but I'm already putting together a Questing N'Zoth Reno deck in my head for wild. Maybe throw a panda in there for triple heals or something.
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The theme is nice. The setup they had with the forest was amazing haha, best lead-in to a trailer ever.

I'm not sure how I feel about that new Adapt mechanic. I kinda have the same feeling from when I first saw Discover, but Discover turned out to be pretty good so who knows? Granted Adapt looks like it'll have less power than Discover, so less excitement overall really.

Quests are kinda neat in concept, but the video said they start in your opening hand right? I'm not sure if I like that.
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Just saw the video, I like the ideas in there
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Adapt actually sounds OP to me. Like that 5/4 - maybe looks weak by itself, but you can choose to give it Divine Shield or +3 attack or whatever you need in that situation. Like maybe it's less value than Discover but it sounds like there's a lot of potential for good tempo. Can pull the right answer out of nowhere.
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CoolCly posted...

Adapt actually sounds OP to me. Like that 5/4 - maybe looks weak by itself, but you can choose to give it Divine Shield or +3 attack or whatever you need in that situation. Like maybe it's less value than Discover but it sounds like there's a lot of potential for good tempo. Can pull the right answer out of nowhere.

Well we only know 6 of them and the only ones I really like are Divine Shield and the untargetable one.

That said, it probably is a very strong arena card.
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Oh yeah I dunno if people are talking about this but

We are getting a regular minion and a quest spell legendary for each class so two legendaries per class, with only five neutral legendaries for a total of 23.

Should be pretty interesting and shows more of a focus on retooling classes and giving each one a specific identity!
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VeryInsane posted...

Well we only know 6 of them and the only ones I really like are Divine Shield and the untargetable one.

That said, it probably is a very strong arena card.

I don't think the effects they get are necessarily that strong by themselves, but being able to grab the one you need at the right moment seems really good. Like Divine Shield could be good if you have some big minions you need to trade into, and maybe in most cases it would be better. But maybe the board is currently being swarmed? Sweet, time to throw down this taunt. That's the thing about taunts - if you don't need them they feel like kind of a waste, but if you don't have one when you need it, goddamnit.

Questing seems kind of interesting though. You'd definitely have to build your deck around it.

Priest is by far my favourite class. Out of my 18 decks I think 8 of them are priest? So I think I might have to craft NZoth now....
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I don't think the priest quest is horribly unbalanced, per se. What I do think is that it will lead to extreme cases of what we already experience with aggro vs reno. Reno on 6? You win. Need a turn 7? You lose....except now we're going to see that even moreso against priests. Either you beat them down before they can play 7 deathrattles, or they likely run over you afterwards. Thing is, if the priest is determined to trigger it, a deck full of deathrattles is really not that big a challenge.

I'm curious, if you complete the quest, and then play Reno, does he restore your health to 40 or 30?

But Adapt? I dunno...it seems like they're getting lazy and went "discover worked well. Let's make a new variation on discover!" And it looks to be potentially massively broken. To be able to choose just between taunt and windfury is pretty insane, really, and those are the two least-mentioned abilities revealed. I'm curious if all adapt minions get the same list with the same stats, because a cheaper adapt minion that can have +3 attack could be really powerful. Oh look, my 2/3 for 2 is now a 5/3.

5 mana 5/4 taunt is literally booty Bay though so IDK

Just have to see what else comes out

(I guess there is beast synergy but I doubt Beast Druid ever becomes a big thing)
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Yeah, Adapt seems kind of boring in general. They combined Discover and Kazakus, which isn't very creative. it has potential to be broken, but I think that specific card as a 5 mana 5/4 is pretty bad in terms of standard play, so we'll see the statlines on some of the others.

Questing seems super broken. I have a feeling that the other quests aren't going to be as crazy as the Priest one, mostly because I can't even think of a way to make an even more powerful card.
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VeryInsane posted...

5 mana 5/4 taunt is literally booty Bay though so IDK

I'm not saying I would run Booty Bay Bodyguard as-is, but if it was a druid choose card that allowed you to give it taunt or a second ability, are you saying it wouldn't be worth considering?

VeryInsane posted...

5 mana 5/4 taunt is literally booty Bay though so IDK

Just have to see what else comes out

(I guess there is beast synergy but I doubt Beast Druid ever becomes a big thing)

I took too long to write my post and you basically said everything I was trying to with my first point.
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azuarc posted...

VeryInsane posted...

5 mana 5/4 taunt is literally booty Bay though so IDK

I'm not saying I would run Booty Bay Bodyguard as-is, but if it was a druid choose card that allowed you to give it taunt or a second ability, are you saying it wouldn't be worth considering?

Yeah, like, it COULD be a Booty Bay.... or it could be something else more useful to the situation. That's what makes it good. Flexibility.

That's also what makes it interesting - it's not better because it's just a straight up better effect than previous cards. It offers different solutions without too much power creep.
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azuarc posted...

VeryInsane posted...

5 mana 5/4 taunt is literally booty Bay though so IDK

I'm not saying I would run Booty Bay Bodyguard as-is, but if it was a druid choose card that allowed you to give it taunt or a second ability, are you saying it wouldn't be worth considering?

I don't think so. Druid of the Claw is way better, and 4 mana 5/4 Taunts aren't even good enough. Divine Shield is probably the biggest thing you could get off it from what I see.

The other big thing is that it doesn't seem like you are guaranteed to get Taunt as an option. There's ten total, and you get to pick from 3. Not sure on the math, but this kind of thing seems like you want a reasonable body to start with so that the versatility can actually matter.
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The other four are...


Volcanic Might - +1/+1
Rocky Carapace - +3 Health
Shrouding Mist - Stealth until your next turn
Poison Spit - Destroy any minion damaged by this one (The Emperor Cobra/Pit Snake ability)
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Well those are quite a bit better

Carapace is pretty sick. 5/7 makes some slick trades
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I was hoping for something like Deal 1 damage. Should've done that over +1/+1, imo.
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It's probably for other cards, which can be pretty strong just for favorable trades

Such as

http://i.imgur.com/D731QJh.png

Apparently this works with all the Murlocs on the board, menagerie decks now have a great 4 drop!
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Based on that card I'm going to predict a new legendary.

4 Mana 3/3 stats

Stealth
At the start of your turn, Adapt

Adapt looks like it'll be very interesting
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I don't think so. Druid of the Claw is way better, and 4 mana 5/4 Taunts aren't even good enough. Divine Shield is probably the biggest thing you could get off it from what I see.

The other big thing is that it doesn't seem like you are guaranteed to get Taunt as an option. There's ten total, and you get to pick from 3. Not sure on the math, but this kind of thing seems like you want a reasonable body to start with so that the versatility can actually matter.

Well, okay, it's outclassed by another choose card, but might I point out that inherently DotC is 4/4. It's taunt option adds 2 health as well. They could have done that here. Instead they made them two separate options.

And no, I'd almost never take 5/4 taunt over 4/6 taunt. However, if you were in a bind against a pirate warrior with a reaper on the table and you're at less-than-nine health, you'll take any taunt you can get. You'd be ecstatic just to have a targeting dummy or a hex frog. But since that use is very limited, how convenient that you can do other things with it!

I mean, you can do other things with Druid of the Claw, too, but it's rather uncommon for it to get used as a 4/4 charge, even though 4/4 charge for 5 is still pretty good. It's just that 4/6 taunt is almost too good. It's strictly better than Fen Creeper -- significantly, since 4 attack vs 3 is a big deal in the mid-game. But saying the card is weak or poor simply because 'Claw exists is a bit specious. This card can do things Claw cannot.

VeryInsane posted...

Apparently this works with all the Murlocs on the board, menagerie decks now have a great 4 drop!

Holy crap. Do the murlocs get the same slate of choices? I can actually see a Call in the Finishers / Everyfin is Awesome deck being viable with that card.

skull_bonek23 posted...

Based on that card I'm going to predict a new legendary.

4 Mana 3/3 stats

Stealth
At the start of your turn, Adapt

Adapt looks like it'll be very interesting

Maybe stealth, maybe not. If it does, it'll basically be shifting shade.

Well the concept I had with the legendary was that it keeps adding new adaptations each turn so your opponent really needs to remove it.

Without stealth it wouldn't even be able to adapt once but if you gave it a battlecry and the adapt each turn effect it would probably be too strong.
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Everyfin rotates out but I think all the adapt cards have the same 10 options if I'm reading it correctly

Imagine Finja drawing out some bluegills/warleaders then the dinosaur gives them divine shield, windfury, or even poison to remove annoying minions. Crazy strong potential
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Nerfs are officially live. Arena has been changed too

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20562933/hearthstone-update-february-28-2-28-2017

March should be fun to play again
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So many people are playing slow decks now that Tempo Mage, as the most aggressive deck untouched by the nerfs, feels really good imo. The fact that it just wrecks anyone left playing pirates doesn't hurt.
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Dare I say my "small time-anyfin-buffadin" can survive to turn 10 to get my combo off?!
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A new keyword for the Emperor Cobra effect which will now be known as Poisonous.

Not complaining because I'm all for more keywords, but how did this get one before Can not be target by spells or abilities?
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I just wish the keywords were the same as in Magic.

Like, I understand why they're not. I just wish they were. It would make life less confusing (I still usually just call "Charge" "Haste," for instance).
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Magic is a bit confusing for me now. I haven't played it in over a decade, probably a lot longer, and every time I look at a card for whatever reason I'm more often than not confused.

Back in my day (oh god), the hardest part of Magic was trying to read Lich or Vesuvan Doppelganger when you forgot your glasses.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuPqT_R5Ps

Oh, btw, I started an Arena run to check out the rarity and spell/minion split differences. This is the breakdown of my deck:
15 Commons
10 Rares
3 Epics
2 Legendaries

Nothing quite like pulling off the Don Hancho -> Doppelgangster dream in Arena.
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man i've done four arena runs so far and gotten a total of one legendary I want your luck.

Did get 12 wins off the run with one legendary, though, so that was coo'.
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Ok that Murloc Adapt card made the mechanic for me. This could be really cool.
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Got no legendary but quite a lot of epics. Hardly any class cards or spells though. Somehow managed to scrape a 3-3 with one of the worst arena decks I've ever had, I thought I might go 0-3 after drafting it.

I'm not looking forward to all of the new three garbage epic choices.
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https://youtu.be/qEmnpRSgqQkT

The best

For some reason the video isn't popping up but it's Ben Brode at his finest
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dowolf posted...

man i've done four arena runs so far and gotten a total of one legendary I want your luck.

Did get 12 wins off the run with one legendary, though, so that was coo'.

'i want your luck'

'12 wins'

okay
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I had an Arena Priest deck with Justicar, Elise, and Rafaam. I think I ended up with 6 wins but one of the games was basically constructed in that it almost went to fatigue but the mage ran out of threats as I kept healing for 4 each turn.

I'm really digging the new Arena but I'll be more excited with the rotation hits.
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So, how many epic choices is everyone making in arena now? With all the talk about increased legendary choices, I'm really not looking forward to drafting all of those terrible epics they seem to love to make.
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That Brode video is incredible. He's the hero that Hearthstone needs, not the one it deserves.
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