Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - You fucking idiot. (SPOILER)

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Yeah I saw that but I believe these spoilers are way more detailed
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JetJaguar posted...

Yeah I saw that but I believe these spoilers are way more detailed

The spoilers beforehand are super accurate and also have a scene by scene breakdown if you look in the right area.

Someone really pissed me off cuz we were arguing over what happens in the future with a certain character. And they were very condescending and matter of fact about it. So i looked it up and yep everything he was arguing was in the spoilersm. Extremely pissed off.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

I had zero issue with the Dothraki versus Lannister/Tarly depiction. It's not like the Dothraki godstomped, and the shield wall was highly effective. Horde charge != single combat on foot, and an attack like Drogon's sows the type of chaos in which the Dothraki could gain an advantage of the knights' discipline breaking.

You can also recall there's little likelihood that every fighter on the Lannister side would be so well armored, if you like.

Yeah, I have issues with most of the dumb things but I'm not too worn out by this one.

The men weren't properly armored... they were stated in episode as having been marching for awhile. There was a dragon. Robert said an open field is death territory.

I kinda wish Jaime said something like "as long as we hold, we'll win", but maybe that would've been way too on the head considering the oncoming dragon.



Concerning everyone talking about the Trial of the Seven... if you have to pick seven characters, isn't it just people with Valerian Steel?

Jon, Jaime, Arya, Brienne, Sam... does anyone else have one? Jorah?
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I don't like the Trial of the Seven idea. I mean, I do kind of like it in theory, but I really don't think the show would ever go for it. They've consistently undermined the magic/ritual element of things.

I think here we can assume you give the most qualified person the blade.

Jon - Longclaw
Jorah - Widow's Wail (via Jaime)
Arya - Catspaw's Dagger
Brienne - Oathkeeper
Sandor Clegane - Heartsbane (via Sam)

I think that might be all that we've been shown so far in the show?
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As far as the Dothraki losing if they didn't have a dragon, feels like a moot point because that was their plan of attack.
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Corrik posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Just a heads up guys, looks like there was another leak, the episode 5 script this time, and people are posting spoilers everywhere.

The night is dark and full of spoilers

The entire season has been leaked since before the season even came out. A lot of people posting hypotheticals or arguing about what they think will happen have already read the spoilers and are assholes.

Yeah, I've read the leaks and can't believe how many people, even in these topics, have been 'predicting' things that are going to happen so accurately.

I don't get why people need to do things like this.
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The lannister army had leather armor at best. Nothing that would stop dothraki from slicing their necks.
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foolm0r0n posted...

The lannister army had leather armor at best. Nothing that would stop dothraki from slicing their necks.

We see their armor mattering zero times. The Dothraki are master neck slicers.
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They could have been wearing chain, just not the actual cowl part that covers your head and neck. Those look kind of goofy and the Lannisters probably didn't want to look silly on tv. That, or they've REALLY had to cut costs after repaying all their debts.
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My Immortal posted...

Corrik posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Just a heads up guys, looks like there was another leak, the episode 5 script this time, and people are posting spoilers everywhere.

The night is dark and full of spoilers

The entire season has been leaked since before the season even came out. A lot of people posting hypotheticals or arguing about what they think will happen have already read the spoilers and are assholes.

Yeah, I've read the leaks and can't believe how many people, even in these topics, have been 'predicting' things that are going to happen so accurately.

I don't get why people need to do things like this.

It is very dick.

Specifically I was arguing about Littlefinger with someone else.
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My Immortal posted...

Corrik posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Just a heads up guys, looks like there was another leak, the episode 5 script this time, and people are posting spoilers everywhere.

The night is dark and full of spoilers

The entire season has been leaked since before the season even came out. A lot of people posting hypotheticals or arguing about what they think will happen have already read the spoilers and are assholes.

Yeah, I've read the leaks and can't believe how many people, even in these topics, have been 'predicting' things that are going to happen so accurately.

I don't get why people need to do things like this.

Yeah I think I better start avoiding all GoT topics. This got me thinking about one cool "prediction" that I heard. I messaged Corrik to see if it was real, and it is. Fuck.
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Okay so I understand hearing an interesting prediction and wondering if it's from a leak or not

But why the fuck would you go out of your way to confirm whether it's real or not?

There's no way to avoid hyper-losers who have nothing valuable in their lives so they desperately look for ways to feel the tiniest bit of power like posting spoilers about a TV show, but it's 100% on you if you go out and read the leaks yourself.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Okay so I understand hearing an interesting prediction and wondering if it's from a leak or not

But why the fuck would you go out of your way to confirm whether it's real or not?

I told a friend about the "theory" first and I felt bad...didn't want to spread it further if it was real.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Menji posted...

I'm surprised they didn't have a scout or anything. Especially since they took a break in a terrible location where they could be attacked from any side.

I'm surprised that you're surprised! Nearly every battle since Battle of the Bastards has had an outsized element of surprise to it. In fact literally last episode, the entire 30,000-man Lannister-Tarly coalition mobilized from the Westerlands into the Reach into its very capital, spanning hundreds and hundreds of miles, catching the best supplied family of Westeros entirely off guard!

Maria

so did anyone else feel like the director wanted us to root for bronn and jaime there? they were clearly in the underdog position. on top of that tyrion and jaime both have that moment where they are surveying all of the destruction like 'why in the hell does this need to happen.' really made dany seem like she needed to be shot down.

maybe my own personal preferences are clouding my judgement here since I'm a huge lannister mark and targaryen hater, though.

I think we're supposed to be horrified by Dany's actions, including using the dragon on both the Westerland-Reach forces *and* the food train strike. Dany has decided to fight a war of fire and blood (and good lord did we see what that really meant - graphically). Laying waste to her enemies to defeat the army is more urgent to her than bolstering her own.

Both this battle and Battle of the Bastards showcased just how ugly and destructive war was, even if you're on the 'right' side like Jon was - it's not like that was any less dehumanizing - but the dragon made this one entirely unfair, adding that much more to it.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I don't think this is Daenerys going full fire and blood. She could have easily just brought all three dragons and torched Jaime's entire army, but she didn't, and I think it's been well-established she's not going to burn King's Landing down anymore.This is just what war looks like when one side has a dragon, and war already looks pretty bad. It seemed to me they were trying to show both sides here. It's not like Battle of the Bastards where you clearly aren't supposed to root for one side. This was showing "war is hell, but also dragon fights are super fucking rad."

Also had a though about the supplies. Burning them all kind of makes sense if you expect them to retreat at some point. If she's starting her siege of King's Landing, it's important that they get as little supplies from The Reach as possible. She'd rather no one have it if they started to pack up and save whatever they can while running away. It's already kind of insane that they didn't flee immediately; they already thought they were going to get smashed by the overwhelming numbers of the Dothraki, and then the dragon showed up. But Jaime's a fucking idiot and tried to actually win that battle.

Who knows on how Dany plans on feeding her army during a siege but I expect a throwaway line about it next episode.

These people criticizing Dany for burning loot, THESE! It's not like even with all three dragons she could've just scooped up all those trains without being accosted. Better Cersei doesn't get them for her army than she incurs heavy casualties to her own side trying futilely to secure supplies.
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Anagram posted...

What you say would make sense if we didn't specifically see the Lannister men pulling on their armor and being as prepared as you can be with one minute of warning. It's not random armorless dudes who get sliced, it's a ton of people. I'm not saying this is a big problem, and it is nice to see Dany has someone competent on her side after the Unsullied spent years being a joke, so you're right on that end.

Back in Season 1, in the tourney joust, Gregor killed a man with his spear. In the books the Hound later clarifies that Gregor totally saw that his helm was fastened well, because the guy didn't have a squire to do that for him. I like to think it was more or less the same here.

MariaTaylor posted...

we kinda discussed this in the last topic but really the only thing that season 1 duel established is that jorah is an unstoppable badass. this is later supported by him taking down world class fighters in the pits of mereen.

I think you kinda overexaggerate this point. Jorah won that fight the same way Gregor won his fight against Oberyn iirc. That guy just got cocky and Jorah took advantage of it, but he was struggling all the while.

Anagram posted...

What was Tyrion even doing there, anyway? If you sent out your queen, surely you should have your second in command stay behind at the base of operations.

I think the idea is that Dany will ask more people to be bend the knee and Tyrion will be there as a...familiar face?

dowolf posted...

Though on the flipside, I started doing some research into it, and most all of the ways a cavalry charge can survive charging a pikewall involve copious amounts of armor and, well. The Dothraki are known for many things; wearing armor is not one of them.

I think the Dothraki can actually do well against a spearwall. As we saw, one guy just stood on his horse and jumped over. If several do that, you can punch a hole in the line and barrel through. Obviously, it's easier with a dragon, but I think the Dothraki crushing the Lannisters is not that far-fetched. Reminder that the Lannisters had already marched from Casterly Rock to Highgarden, fought in Highgarden and then were marching back to KL; they were knackered.
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My Immortal posted...

Corrik posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Just a heads up guys, looks like there was another leak, the episode 5 script this time, and people are posting spoilers everywhere.

The night is dark and full of spoilers

The entire season has been leaked since before the season even came out. A lot of people posting hypotheticals or arguing about what they think will happen have already read the spoilers and are assholes.

Yeah, I've read the leaks and can't believe how many people, even in these topics, have been 'predicting' things that are going to happen so accurately.

I don't get why people need to do things like this.

I haven't read them, for the record. My predictions are authentic; I've specifically avoided the forums over at WatchersOnTheWall this year because of the magnitude of the leaks. I accidentally ran into a few tidbits back when AwayForTheLads2 first dropped some bombshells in the off-season, but I could barely tell you what it was at this point. That was the red flag I needed to get out of Dodge. A friend of mine who isn't on the net as much as I am told me after 7x03 aired that he'd bumped into a spoiler that Jon and Daenerys would meet this year, but he assumed it would be closer to the end. In any case, knowing that even he ran into something was alarming, because like I said, he's not much of a net hound.

Anyway, I won't look at the comments section on WatchersOnTheWall now, either, because there will be people who will ignore the site's rules. I'm sure there already have been, and they're banned, but the damage is done. I'm glad I can at least read the articles there. Sue is my favorite Thrones reviewer, even if technically she's just doing recaps. She and Alan Sepinwall are the only ones I read.
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Jeff Zero posted...

A friend of mine who isn't on the net as much as I am told me after 7x03 aired that he'd bumped into a spoiler that Jon and Daenerys would meet this year

yup, i ran into this one on asoiaf's reddit. augh. thankfully it... wasn't remotely "twist"-y and happened early.
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RyoCaliente posted...

Back in Season 1, in the tourney joust, Gregor killed a man with his spear. In the books the Hound later clarifies that Gregor totally saw that his helm was fastened well, because the guy didn't have a squire to do that for him. I like to think it was more or less the same here.

The Mountain doesn't count. His entire shtick is being superhumanly strong, so him killing a guy through armor is different.
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Jeff Zero posted...

My Immortal posted...

Corrik posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Just a heads up guys, looks like there was another leak, the episode 5 script this time, and people are posting spoilers everywhere.

The night is dark and full of spoilers

The entire season has been leaked since before the season even came out. A lot of people posting hypotheticals or arguing about what they think will happen have already read the spoilers and are assholes.

Yeah, I've read the leaks and can't believe how many people, even in these topics, have been 'predicting' things that are going to happen so accurately.

I don't get why people need to do things like this.

I haven't read them, for the record. My predictions are authentic; I've specifically avoided the forums over at WatchersOnTheWall this year because of the magnitude of the leaks. I accidentally ran into a few tidbits back when AwayForTheLads2 first dropped some bombshells in the off-season, but I could barely tell you what it was at this point. That was the red flag I needed to get out of Dodge. A friend of mine who isn't on the net as much as I am told me after 7x03 aired that he'd bumped into a spoiler that Jon and Daenerys would meet this year, but he assumed it would be closer to the end. In any case, knowing that even he ran into something was alarming, because like I said, he's not much of a net hound.

Anyway, I won't look at the comments section on WatchersOnTheWall now, either, because there will be people who will ignore the site's rules. I'm sure there already have been, and they're banned, but the damage is done. I'm glad I can at least read the articles there. Sue is my favorite Thrones reviewer, even if technically she's just doing recaps. She and Alan Sepinwall are the only ones I read.

I was pretty much spoiled by ppl on the Cable and TV board who are making predictions and if you disagree and say that makes no sense for that character arc they get like... "you are an idiot it is gonna happen trust me just watch. It is common sense. You will be coming back in 4 weeks and saying how wrong you were." Etc.


Those predictions were beyond fishy at that point.
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RyoCaliente posted...

I think you kinda overexaggerate this point. Jorah won that fight the same way Gregor won his fight against Oberyn iirc. That guy just got cocky and Jorah took advantage of it, but he was struggling all the while.

well yeah I'm chatting about a TV show, not writing a graduate thesis. didn't realize it was incredibly important for me to speak in a very formal and accurate tone on every single point I discuss.
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Anagram posted...

The Mountain doesn't count. His entire shtick is being superhumanly strong, so him killing a guy through armor is different.

Well no, that's what I mean. He didn't pierce armor (I had a typo, I meant to say wasn't fastened well) as in to say, he saw the helmet wasn't on proper and poked through his neck. Any man could've done, because the armor wasn't on right.

MariaTaylor posted...

well yeah I'm chatting about a TV show, not writing a graduate thesis. didn't realize it was incredibly important for me to speak in a very formal and accurate tone on every single point I discuss.

Jeez, don't be so defensive. I've just seen you make that point several times in this thread and I don't agree with it.

SeabassDebeste posted...

Jon - Longclaw
Jorah - Widow's Wail (via Jaime)
Arya - Catspaw's Dagger
Brienne - Oathkeeper
Sandor Clegane - Heartsbane (via Sam)

Wouldn't Heartsbane to Jorah be more logical?
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This just occurred to me:

If anyone from the Lannister army (Jaime, Bronn, or the Tarlys) makes it back to King's Landing next episode, and Ellaria still isn't dead, then that will mean the super deadly poison that Qyburn said would kill her in a few days at most hasn't killed her in the time it took the Dothraki to travel from eastern Westeros to Highgarden and the Lannister survivor to go from Highgarden to King's Landing, right?

The teleporting would be less weird if the first two seasons hadn't put such a big emphasis on travel time. There were entire episodes where a character would do nothing except walk or ride somewhere.
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RyoCaliente posted...

I think the Dothraki can actually do well against a spearwall. As we saw, one guy just stood on his horse and jumped over. If several do that, you can punch a hole in the line and barrel through. Obviously, it's easier with a dragon, but I think the Dothraki crushing the Lannisters is not that far-fetched. Reminder that the Lannisters had already marched from Casterly Rock to Highgarden, fought in Highgarden and then were marching back to KL; they were knackered.

This is suicide. Do it, and you are immediately surrounded in enemy territory; and without your horse, you have lost the mobility advantage you used to have.

Of course, this is assuming real life, not shonen anime levels of skill that the protags have had as-of-late, so...
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Anagram posted...

If anyone from the Lannister army (Jaime, Bronn, or the Tarlys) makes it back to King's Landing next episode, and Ellaria still isn't dead, then that will mean the super deadly poison that Qyburn said would kill her in a few days at most hasn't killed her in the time it took the Dothraki to travel from eastern Westeros to Highgarden and the Lannister survivor to go from Highgarden to King's Landing, right?

With bomb pussy comes a strong constitution.
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I don't suspect we'll ever see Ellaria again. There's a slight chance that after Cersei's downfall someone finds her in the dungeons and lets her out, but based on the fan reaction to her I can't see them wasting the time.
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I imagine we definitely get at least one shot of her and a skeleton across the room.
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The Dothraki attack actually happened very close to King's Landing. But yeah, Tyene should be dead for sure. Ellaria is being kept alive forcefully, so I'm pretty sure you meant her daughter.
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My Immortal posted...

I don't suspect we'll ever see Ellaria again. There's a slight chance that after Cersei's downfall someone finds her in the dungeons and lets her out, but based on the fan reaction to her I can't see them wasting the time.

It'd be weird not to see her again. She's the would-be ruler of Dorne and she's still alive. I get saying that the Reach is now simply under the crown's control because the Tyrells are gone, but there's an acting ruler who is still alive just sitting in the dungeon. It'd be a problem.
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ellaria is probably gonna die from dragonflame or cersei blowing up the red keep

dorne is done. at most they'll give her one scene, but that kingdom has been written out
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That would be kind of dumb if she's still alive. Blow up the Red Keep, fine
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Ellaria is gonna become a poison ice zombie
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Why would it be dumb?

Cersei's whole plan was to keep her alive to watch her daughter completely rot away.
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Thanks for telling us about the spoilers being out and people going around making "predictions"

Time to avoid all GoT discussion until after Sunday.

hate people.
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I try not to read too many predictions regardless, since it leaves me more open to being surprised by ideas I hadn't already come across or expected on my own.
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i predict jon manages to find new cave paintings every time he wants to convince people to do something for the rest of the show

(jon and dany walk by crude cave painting of a dragon blowing a wolf) "you know maybe....we should do what the paintings say...the wisdom of the ancient people..."

LMAO

different cave paintings just getting increasingly more blatant.


"Let DA North be FREE" scrawled in childlike handwriting
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Other cave painting: FUCK OLLY
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-FFDragon- posted...

Why would it be dumb?

Cersei's whole plan was to keep her alive to watch her daughter completely rot away.

Right, so Cersei gets killed. Ellaria is still down there, the leader of one of the 7 kingdoms. And she's just never seen or heard from or mentioned again while she technically would be in charge of another army that could be used to kill White Walkers.

Also does anyone think Cersei dies before the end of the season? I feel like last year people were predicting her dying this season and next season being all about the WW but I feel like it'll be much more complicated than that.
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i predict an abbot and costello style comedy routine where the various accents/pronunciations lead to a confusing dialogue of mistaking "yara" greyjoy with the phrase "you are a greyjoy" and "euron greyjoy" as "you're own greyjoy" and "theon greyjoy" as "the one greyjoy"

huh what? i thought it was pretty clear that was the end of ellaria
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Cersei specifically said she was going to keep her alive.

Would be a bit of a head scratcher if a powerful leader was just ignored, unless they write around it somehow or she's explicitly shown to die.
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Steiner posted...

huh what? i thought it was pretty clear that was the end of ellaria

Ellaria wasn't poisoned or killed or anything. Her sentence was to sit there and live out a long life of watching her precious daughter decompose. So he's just saying that if Cersei dies and, say, Dany takes control of KL, Ellaria should theoretically be freed from her prison cell and become fairly important again as the ruler of one of the seven kingdoms.

I feel it's more likely that even if Ellaria is freed, they'd just show that and say something like how she's too mentally broken by the trauma to do anything effective and then she's just written out.
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Well yeah that's what I expect. Abandoning her with no explanation is just poor though.
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Though I'll laugh if Dany takes over and is like "well she's a child murderer so whatever, just leave her in there".
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Whoops, I did mean Ellaria's daughter, I got them confused.
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Next episode will have Dany lead Jon to a cave painting she found showing the First Men, the Children and the Others bending the knee "look they all did it! why can't you?"

dowolf posted...

This is suicide. Do it, and you are immediately surrounded in enemy territory; and without your horse, you have lost the mobility advantage you used to have.

Well yes, the idea is that some Dothraki will "kamikaze" and jump behind enemy lines and cut a hole through for the rest of the horde to plow through.
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Like Jeff any predictions I make are genuine, though I feel like I end up playing devil's advocate with myself a lot and cover a wide variety of possibilities off-hand. Like I argued the case for Arya going North and South before, though I was leaning North.

I've been lucky enough to avoid spoilers, although if some of you are saying it's been done in this topic I guess I haven't caught it. There has been an account in past seasons that was 100% doing that "pretend they're predicting but they're obviously spoiling leaks" that would drop in this topic to do that and was painfully obvious about it, but thankfully it hasn't shown so far.

As for Ellaria. Meta-spoilers? (As in, this is using stuff from outside the show): Didn't her actress make a post on twitter or an interview answer that heavily implied that her last appearance was the scene with Cersei before?
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RyoCaliente posted...

Next episode will have Dany lead Jon to a cave painting she found showing the First Men, the Children and the Others bending the knee "look they all did it! why can't you?"

dowolf posted...

This is suicide. Do it, and you are immediately surrounded in enemy territory; and without your horse, you have lost the mobility advantage you used to have.

Well yes, the idea is that some Dothraki will "kamikaze" and jump behind enemy lines and cut a hole through for the rest of the horde to plow through.

that's not how cutting holes work. Ignoring how ridiculous the idea of jumping over a wall of pointy things is in the first place.

like.

With all due respect, you are speaking from a position of ignorance.
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I'm an expert on fictional people fighting. my resume? heh, well i argued in ipkiss vs. broly
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Jesus not being at work makes the wait for the next episode so much more fucking difficult
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