Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - You fucking idiot. (SPOILER)

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Also this wait is killing me
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Samurai7 posted...

The Iron Islands are definitely one of the seven kingdoms

Aside from House Targaryen's island "kingdom" of Dragonstone, the continent of Westeros was ruled by seven monarchs at the time of Aegon's Landing:

Torrhen Stark, King in the North.
Ronnel Arryn, King of Mountain and Vale.
Harren Hoare, King of the Isles and the Rivers.
Loren I Lannister, King of the Rock.
Mern IX Gardener, King of the Reach.
Argilac Durrandon, the Storm King.
Meria Martell, Princess of Dorne.

The Iron Islands were part of the Riverlands.
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But see this is where I get confused because Varys said "Cersei controls fewer than half if the 7 kingdoms". Which 7 is that exactly and why don't the Islands count. I guess that answers it
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the iron islands don't count because they're just a pile of rocks ruled by idiot pirates
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MrGreenonion posted...

The Iron Islands were part of the Riverlands.

IIRC, Harrenhal which was the "capital" of the Iron Islands/Riverlands kingdom was built/run by an Iron Islands family. The Iron Islands had control of what is now the Riverlands. When Aegon came to Westeros his dragons melted Harrenhal pretty badly (recall its state in S2) and gave control of the kingdom to the Tullys. Henceforth the "capital" was Riverrun and control was exerted from the mainland over the Iron Islands rather than the reverse.

that's off the top of my head though, haven't delved into the lore in a while

But historically the Iron Islands were the kingdom. The whole "making the eight" joke explicitly has the Riverlands as the eight with the other seven being the traditional Seven Kingdoms.

XIII_rocks posted...

But see this is where I get confused because Varys said "Cersei controls fewer than half if the 7 kingdoms". Which 7 is that exactly and why don't the Islands count. I guess that answers it

She controls the Rock, the Iron Islands (sorta), and maybe the Stormlands? (and now the Reach but that was after that comment.) Jon has the North and Vale (sorta). Daenerys has Dorne and the Reach (at the time.)
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from what I can tell, the Iron Islands are de jure part of the Riverlands kingdom, although during the time of the show always their own kingdom, making it really 8 kingdoms. The Riverlands themselves, however, actually stop being a standalone kingdom briefly when they declare for Robb and recognize him as King in the North and the Trident, making it actually back to 7 kingdoms during that time.

XIII_rocks posted...

But see this is where I get confused because Varys said "Cersei controls fewer than half if the 7 kingdoms". Which 7 is that exactly and why don't the Islands count. I guess that answers it

"The Seven Kingdoms" is a historical name at the time of the show, they're not kingdoms anymore and they're divided up into 9 regions for purposes of governance. It's like British people calling America "the colonies" in present day.
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Because the show has dumbed things down to not have to explain stuff. In the show there is 7 kingdoms just because they just say there is.
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MrGreenonion posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

But see this is where I get confused because Varys said "Cersei controls fewer than half if the 7 kingdoms". Which 7 is that exactly and why don't the Islands count. I guess that answers it

"The Seven Kingdoms" is a historical name at the time of the show, they're not kingdoms anymore and they're divided up into 9 regions for purposes of governance. It's like British people calling America "the colonies" in present day.

Basically.

I think there are still 7 Lords Paramount (the historic Seven Kingdoms but swap the Iron Islands for the Tullys) but in practice you also have the Crownlands which calling it the D.C. of Westeros is a fair analogy and the Iron Islands which are just there after Aegon stripped them of their mainland holdings and crushed their ruling house of the time. And they've always been bitter about that so they're always looking for a chance to rebel, they just get smacked down every time.
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after aegon unites them, they aren't really kingdoms at all anymore!
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dorne was

cuz aegon never beat them

>_>
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ok looks like my response was like 20 minutes late lmao
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You ever make the eight? It's when you bed a girl in all seven kingdoms AND the Riverlands. - Robert Baratheon, probably

xp1337 posted...

dorne was

cuz aegon never beat them

>_>

dorne has never been ruled by a king, though!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

xp1337 posted...

dorne was

cuz aegon never beat them

>_>

dorne has never been ruled by a king, though!

touche
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If you read the wiki.... "Despite its name, the Seven Kingdoms is a realm divided into nine administrative regions or provinces"
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The riverlands were part of the Iron Islands. Not vice versa. Thus the whole 'making the eight' that everyone else has all ready mentioned. Robert Baratheon says this during the hunt in which he dies in both the books and the show.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlhnt0jMlg
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I guess I was thinking of things in the crusader kings 2 mod context where like...the iron throne is emperor level and the other kingdoms do actually have king level titles.

MariaTaylor posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlhnt0jMlg

i am way too impatient so

here are all the scenes i don't necessarily recognize already

king's landing smallfolk with spears? (0:25)

the hound in the north (1:00)

mass of ravens / night king / bran (1:02)

beric's flaming lightsaber (1:07)

tormund up north (1:16)

jon standing on flat elevated ground (1:20)

sandor drawing his sword in king's landing (CLEGANEBOWL???) (1:22)

jon/?? dueling the white walker (1:23)

someone kneeling into the water (1:25) - theon? has this already happened?

backs to back in the north (1:32)

sansa quoting eddard - 'the lone wolf dies but the pack survives' (1:32)

everything except SPOILERS and the king's landing scene seems like it could happen in the next 24 hours!
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and... yeah, i did it for trailer 1, too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlhnt0jMlg

a rush up north (1:01)

encircled up north (1:05)

gregor outside the red keep? (1:!4)

torches at night (1:15) - part of the naval battle?

arya peeks below a desk of some sort? (1:19)

jon's charge in the north (1:21)

jon: 'the great war is here' (1:35) - happened already?

(speculation based on trailer, name of next episode)
assuming the title 'east-watch' means we're getting the east-watch battle in the next episode... that means we have no clue what necessarily happens in episode 6 and 7, footage-wise. the true assault on king's landing has to happen at this point, right? sandor is in king's landing, it seems, and at this point, dany has routed the crown's best army...
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SeabassDebeste posted...

king's landing smallfolk with spears? (0:25)

The spears belong to the City Watch, this scene featured in episode 3 when Euron paraded Asha, Ellaria and Tyene through the city.

I don't understand how there is a shot of Sandor in the sun. I know we all love the teleporting now but the Hound is literally up north now, near the wall. It's bullshit even if he leaves for KL this episode and reaches it the last. At that point, you might as well have the intro with the locations placed all right next/on top of each other
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Jon went from Winterfell to DS off screen. We assume weeks went by. Previews show he's back in the North this episode.

Keep in mind that in the books/S1, Catelyn Stark goes from Winterfell to KL off screen between one episode and the next. Robert's hunting party marches by land from KL to Winterfell in like fifteen minutes by screen time.

I figured that the 7x03 was the one time we could've seen that smallfolk scene. So we really only have the giant Northern battle. Hope we get it this week and I'm really as clueless about 7x06-07 as it might seem
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Jon went from Winterfell to DS off screen. We assume weeks went by. Previews show he's back in the North this episode.

No, they don't. Previews show Dany landing on Drogon on Dragonstone right in front of Jon. And there is a scene with him in the Room of the Painted Table in Dragonstone.
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Ah, you're right - Jon mentions East-watch and Bran, and I assumed that meant he'd made it to the North, but that's clearly a raven that's reached Dragonstone.
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Upon rewatching episode 4 the dothraki would have eventually won most likely as they had cavalry archers.
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Corrik posted...

Upon rewatching episode 4 the dothraki would have eventually won most likely as they had cavalry archers.

Also the Lannisters had the worst spear wall vs cavalry ever apparently

You know, I actually feel kinda bad that Jon will likely learn about Bran (and possibly Arya) via Raven.

Also I'm expecting this ep to be a build up instead of action, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Yeah, after reviewing the preview, this is gonna be a buildup ep. I'm disappointed.

The one thing that has my hopes - the title of the episode.
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SOUND THE FORTY MlNUTE CLAXON
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Who's the last important character to die besides the Sand Snakes?
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Anagram posted...

Who's the last important character to die besides the Sand Snakes?

...Olenna?
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mnkboy907 posted...

Anagram posted...

Who's the last important character to die besides the Sand Snakes?

...Olenna?

Oh yeah derp
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Mad Queen FUCKING CONFIRMED!!!!!
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So Dany/Tyrion/Jon have all touched the dragons and lived now, right?
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Ser Friendzone reunites!
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"He is my friend" is gonna get meme'd I think
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"Thought you might still be rowing."

XD
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XDXDXD

The bastard version of Robert and Ned's bromance.
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OH SHIT!

I mean, we knew it. But Jon is the legitimate Targaryen heir to the throne!
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This fucking show

An illicit incestuous affair between a child-killing rapist and a crazy mass-murdering psycho bitch and my first thought when she says she's pregnant was "d'aww"
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Inviso posted...

OH SHIT!

I mean, we knew it. But Jon is the legitimate Targaryen heir to the throne!

I feel like that went way over the heads of casuals, but still pretty awesome. Wish Sam had acknowledged it though.
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that episode was a lot quieter than the rest of this season
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Littlefinger 10 million steps ahead of ninja girlie.
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Well

Consider me fucking hyped
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I'm less hyped than last week which is good because that was a horrible week to wait

It was a strong ep.
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FINALLY GENDRY CAN STOP ROWING


Also now the joke with the actor tweeting every year "still rowin...." is done =\
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Also teaming up Jon, Berric, Gendry, Davos, Tormund, Jorah and the Hound is so fucking random but I love it
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This is the biggest collection of badasses ever assembled, marching off to fuck shit up.

And we finally have an official reason for The Hound to go to King's Landing.
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