Poll of the Day > Apparently NK built a hydrogen bomb of sorts.

(+) Yeah! (+)

How great...
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I think the best coarse of action would be to ostracize them further.

Not that they'll ever use it anyway.
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cool

Let me know when they have food, then I'll consider them a threat.

I mean, food that fat leader hasn't shoved inside his fat hole yet.
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K.

When it inevitably breaks and nukes out NK, what are we going to do with the land?
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First, they also tell people they invented the toaster and the iPod.

Second, even if it exists, it'll probably blow up on the launch pad like the last three attempts at a missile launch.

Dash_Harber posted...

blow up

Well, it's not like that'll be a good thing for anyone in the vicinity...
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TES_Nut posted...

Let me know when they have food, then I'll consider them a threat.

I mean, food that fat leader hasn't shoved inside his fat hole yet.

I love the "fun fact" about him being obsessed with basketball. Can you picture him playing it and everyone obviously having to let him win?!
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We should make a gigantic tarp and just put it on top of NK
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What blows my mind is how the government manages to stay in control. I realize they have a large army and it's a police state, but you'd think after enough time people would crack in large numbers. I don't blame them for being afraid and not rising up, it's just odd that they haven't, at least in terms of a military coup.
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This is a great time to be living in a major West Coast city.

EclairReturns posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

blow up

Well, it's not like that'll be a good thing for anyone in the vicinity...

Yeah, but mostly their only military staff so ...

Dash_Harber posted...

mostly their only military staff

Huh, I know less about the range of a nuclear explosive than I thought.
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china is a dictatorship too so they love having it there
as are some of the other se countries
i hate asian countries
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It's just a rigid airship covered in thermite.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

i hate asian countries

lol
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Sarcasthma posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

i hate asian countries

lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Outcome
I wasn't joking that land mass is cursed
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EclairReturns posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

mostly their only military staff

Huh, I know less about the range of a nuclear explosive than I thought.

Well there is always the offset chance they stupidly built a military launch pad in the middle of their city. Otherwise, H-Bombs have about a city-wide range. They used to test them in the Nevada desert. Hell, there were two bombs dropped in Japan and they only collectively destroyed two cities.

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Well, it depends on how powerful they are.
The most powerful nuke that has been tested was the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba, which destroyed everything in a 40 mile radius, and did major damage for 60 miles. The heat could give you third decree burns at 62 miles away from ground zero.
The total destruction zone from the 18 kiloton Hiroshima bomb was 1 mile.
This last test was supposed to be 100 kiloton.
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Apparently there was a large test of something last night:
https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-press-release/archive/large-nuclear-test-in-north-korea-on-3-september-2017-article1534-984.html

NORSAR has recorded signals from an underground nuclear test explosion conducted by North Korea at its Punggye-ri test site on 3 September 2017. NORSAR has estimated the explosive yield at 120 kilotons TNT, based on a seismic magnitude of 5.8.In comparison, the explosive yield of the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima on 6 August 1945 was estimated at 15 kilotons TNT, while the bomb dropped on Nagasaki three days later was 20 kilotons TNT.

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Foppe posted...

Well, it depends on how powerful they are.
The most powerful nuke that has been tested was the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba, which destroyed everything in a 40 mile radius, and did major damage for 60 miles. The heat could give you third decree burns at 62 miles away from ground zero.
The total destruction zone from the 18 kiloton Hiroshima bomb was 1 mile.
This last test was supposed to be 100 kiloton.

So what you are saying is that North Korea is going to blow itself up?

Dash_Harber posted...

Foppe posted...

Well, it depends on how powerful they are.
The most powerful nuke that has been tested was the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba, which destroyed everything in a 40 mile radius, and did major damage for 60 miles. The heat could give you third decree burns at 62 miles away from ground zero.
The total destruction zone from the 18 kiloton Hiroshima bomb was 1 mile.
This last test was supposed to be 100 kiloton.

So what you are saying is that North Korea is going to blow itself up?

If they had a 100 megaton nuke?
Perhaps.
Their last missile managed to fly over Japan before it fell apart, so they might be able to fly it outside the country before it blows up.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

Sarcasthma posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

i hate asian countries

lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Outcome
I wasn't joking that land mass is cursed

Yeah, I know you aren't joking. Hence that lol.
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The real question is, what the heck is up with the anti-missile defenses?

We are supposed to have them, and so should many other major countries, including Japan/China etc.

The missile that flew over Japan could have been, it seems at this point, a 120 kiloton bomb, 10x as powerful as the last ones that hit it.

Why was it allowed to get near Japan let alone fly over it? Heck why don't other major countries have subs/boats etc surrounding NK so they can shoot down missiles right away if they are launched?

Also, in a cosmic funny, I was talking to someone in the Army yesterday at a party who just got back from deployment and he was going on about how NK was no threat at all and we have it totally under control. Dude must have some egg on his face after getting home lol.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

What blows my mind is how the government manages to stay in control. I realize they have a large army and it's a police state, but you'd think after enough time people would crack in large numbers. I don't blame them for being afraid and not rising up, it's just odd that they haven't, at least in terms of a military coup.

Huge numbers of North Koreans died in the Korean war. They believe (and are deliberately led to believe) that the West wants to commit a North Korean genocide and that if the government should falter for even a moment they'll all die.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Now that I've been thinking about it, considering their previous attempts at making WMDs, what are the chances that this new bomb will LITERALLY blow up in NK's faces?

Yeah, that's what we have been discussing.

Sarcasthma posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

i hate asian countries

lol

Keep an eye on his posts. They're fucking bizarre.

wolfy42 posted...

Why was it allowed to get near Japan let alone fly over it?

Because it wasn't going to hit Japan. Even if it was a Tsar Bomba it wouldn't matter, NK is so bent it'd never hit anything.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Why was it allowed to get near Japan let alone fly over it?

Because it wasn't going to hit Japan. Even if it was a Tsar Bomba it wouldn't matter, NK is so bent it'd never hit anything.

Thing is, it's been theorized that nukes may be more dangerous/deadly if they explode at a higher altitude (radiation will hit a larger radius, heat/fire will burn further etc), so if NK did send a nuke with a destruct code, they could have set if off over Japan, even though it wasn't going to actually land/hit there.

I just wouldn't wanna risk having a possibly nuclear missile flying over me if I had any way of stopping it.
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wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.
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Here is a site that talks about why you would want to detonate them at altitude, and why the ones we fired were actually detonated that way.

The altitude, if I understand correctly, that is optimal for a nuke increases in direct proportion to the yield of the nuke. Higher the yield, higher the altitude for optimal effect.

Considering that a 120 kilo nuke (what we infer NK has), is about 10x the power of the nukes used on japan last time, the altitude for optimal effectiveness would be seriously high, basically meaning you would actually not see any reduction in effectiveness by detonating it at any height pretty much, in fact the higher the better.

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/12/06/trouble-airbursts/
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wolfy42 posted...

Considering that a 120 kilo nuke (what we infer NK has), is about 10x the power of the nukes used on japan last time, the altitude for optimal effectiveness would be seriously high, basically meaning you would actually not see any reduction in effectiveness by detonating it at any height pretty much, in fact the higher the better.

sounds a bit scarier, especially if they made one where its optimal height was like barely in outer space

dioxxys posted...

cool

Wait shit I realized this was about the UK not NK
now im worried lol

dioxxys posted...

dioxxys posted...

cool

Wait shit I realized this was about the UK not NK
now im worried lol

Well it should be noted that NK has been testing nukes since like 2005 or something. That being said, this last test is a huge jump in power over previous ones, which isn't a good thing at all. They had a like 50 megaton bomb back in the 60's or so (Russia) that in theory could have been a 100 megaton bomb, so yeah, NK could probably get up to that range eventually as well. Not exactly sure why we invaded the middle east over the possibility of nukes and have not done anything about NK even though we know they have them (perhaps due to china backing them?).

Whatever, it's been just NK testing nuked for over a decade, so we should totally have anti-missile defense systems around by now. Maybe we do, but only in this direction?
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thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?

They are behind, but not nearly as behind as you would think, they are not at China's level, but remember...well to me at least, it seems like just yesterday that China was WAY behind everyone else technologically. There is no way they could not detonate one in the air, we did over japan all those years ago, and they certainly can now.
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If it comes to war - would Russia support NK or US?
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wolfy42 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?

They are behind, but not nearly as behind as you would think, they are not at China's level, but remember...well to me at least, it seems like just yesterday that China was WAY behind everyone else technologically. There is no way they could not detonate one in the air, we did over japan all those years ago, and they certainly can now.

North Korea is a decrepit shit hole, nobody cares about furthering military technology, they just want some kimchi one day. North Korea will never be a threat as they slowly choke themselves to death.
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wolfy42 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?

They are behind, but not nearly as behind as you would think, they are not at China's level, but remember...well to me at least, it seems like just yesterday that China was WAY behind everyone else technologically. There is no way they could not detonate one in the air, we did over japan all those years ago, and they certainly can now.

China also has something like ten times the land and resources, a government capable of feeding it's people, and connections with the rest of the world. North Korea literally has an army composed of elderly folk and children, armed with (at best) WWII or Cold War era weapons (including bayonets), are lead by a talent-less, yes-man oligarchy, and let's not forget the most important part; not six months ago they blew up their landing pad trying to launch a missile. This is all sabre rattling.

wolfy42 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Why was it allowed to get near Japan let alone fly over it?

Because it wasn't going to hit Japan. Even if it was a Tsar Bomba it wouldn't matter, NK is so bent it'd never hit anything.

Thing is, it's been theorized that nukes may be more dangerous/deadly if they explode at a higher altitude (radiation will hit a larger radius, heat/fire will burn further etc), so if NK did send a nuke with a destruct code, they could have set if off over Japan, even though it wasn't going to actually land/hit there.

I just wouldn't wanna risk having a possibly nuclear missile flying over me if I had any way of stopping it.

Tsar Bomba was detonated 4 km over land surface by using barometric sensors.
Since NK knows where they will shoot the missile from and where the target is, they could use pretty basic instruments on pair with the German V2 rockets. Heck, all they really need is to have an internal clock that starts when the missile is launched and have it blow up when it hits zero, in theory.
Have a couple of pre-set times based on where they shoot it from and at what target and pick the correct one before launch.
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Damnit! Now they're one step closer to unleashing a Godzilla-like bioweapon!
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Zeus posted...

Damnit! Now they're one step closer to unleashing a Godzilla-like bioweapon!

Japan should've built MechaGodzilla and Wing Zero Gundam already :'(
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wolfy42 posted...

The real question is, what the heck is up with the anti-missile defenses?

We are supposed to have them, and so should many other major countries, including Japan/China etc.

The missile that flew over Japan could have been, it seems at this point, a 120 kiloton bomb, 10x as powerful as the last ones that hit it.

Why was it allowed to get near Japan let alone fly over it? Heck why don't other major countries have subs/boats etc surrounding NK so they can shoot down missiles right away if they are launched?

Also, in a cosmic funny, I was talking to someone in the Army yesterday at a party who just got back from deployment and he was going on about how NK was no threat at all and we have it totally under control. Dude must have some egg on his face after getting home lol.

They assumed it was harmless, and let it fly... Good policy. When the actual one is let loose, nobody will care and then death.
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Dash_Harber posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?

They are behind, but not nearly as behind as you would think, they are not at China's level, but remember...well to me at least, it seems like just yesterday that China was WAY behind everyone else technologically. There is no way they could not detonate one in the air, we did over japan all those years ago, and they certainly can now.

China also has something like ten times the land and resources, a government capable of feeding it's people, and connections with the rest of the world. North Korea literally has an army composed of elderly folk and children, armed with (at best) WWII or Cold War era weapons (including bayonets), are lead by a talent-less, yes-man oligarchy, and let's not forget the most important part; not six months ago they blew up their landing pad trying to launch a missile. This is all sabre rattling.

NK's military is probably the biggest in the world
half their economy is just the military itself
the people smoke meth and trade it with each other like candy to work through the entire day
there is no free speech, you are punished severly, even your entire family could be punish
alot of people who don't die in prison from disease get human experimentation done on them
a lot of people in a very short time are going to be eating grass
it's not going to be pretty, it happens every ten years it seems like
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RoboXgp89 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

thedeerzord posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

they could have set if off over Japan

They could?

You can detonate nuclear warheads midair. They don't activate when they hit the ground.

Yes, I could with a toy retrofitted from the 80s, but don't you think that technology is a bit beyond them?

They are behind, but not nearly as behind as you would think, they are not at China's level, but remember...well to me at least, it seems like just yesterday that China was WAY behind everyone else technologically. There is no way they could not detonate one in the air, we did over japan all those years ago, and they certainly can now.

China also has something like ten times the land and resources, a government capable of feeding it's people, and connections with the rest of the world. North Korea literally has an army composed of elderly folk and children, armed with (at best) WWII or Cold War era weapons (including bayonets), are lead by a talent-less, yes-man oligarchy, and let's not forget the most important part; not six months ago they blew up their landing pad trying to launch a missile. This is all sabre rattling.

NK's military is probably the biggest in the world
half their economy is just the military itself
the people smoke meth and trade it with each other like candy to work through the entire day
there is no free speech, you are punished severly, even your entire family could be punish
alot of people who don't die in prison from disease get human experimentation done on them
a lot of people in a very short time are going to be eating grass
it's not going to be pretty, it happens every ten years it seems like

Which is exactly what I'm saying. Not exactly a threat.

RoboXgp89 posted...

NK's military is probably the biggest in the world
half their economy is just the military itself
the people smoke meth and trade it with each other like candy to work through the entire day
there is no free speech, you are punished severly, even your entire family could be punish
alot of people who don't die in prison from disease get human experimentation done on them
a lot of people in a very short time are going to be eating grass
it's not going to be pretty, it happens every ten years it seems like

What you're describing is pretty much exactly Hitler's army during WW2. Crystal Meth was invented by the Nazis and could be bought in German stores back then. Was called Pervitin. Allied soldiers were worried that the Axis soldiers could fight for days straight with no sleep because German soldiers were always high on Pervitin. The concentartion camps were used to experiment on people for scientifiic advancement, etc.

With North Korea, if they're essentially Hitler's army from WW2, I would hope they'd probably get annihilated with modern technology. Even the Axis could hit their targets with their missiles though, and I think they even did a successful launch into space. I think NK army could still even be weaker than 1940s Germany.
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