Poll of the Day > Fast food workers strike for $15 minimum wage.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/04/fast-food-workers-strike-for-15-minimum-wage.html

Cooks and cashiers from McDonald's, Burger King and other restaurants walked off the job to call for a $15 an hour minimum wage.

The protesters are also pushing for union rights for fast food workers and for a paid medical leave bill currently before Massachusetts lawmakers.

The Labor Day protest began at the Tremont Street McDonald's at 6 a.m. Monday and will be followed by a rally.

If lawmakers fail to act on the bills, the protesters are also backing two proposed ballot questions which would raise the minimum wage from $11 an hour to $15 an hour and guarantee workers have access to paid family and medical leave from their employers.

“It’s very important because of the fact I’m doing it for them,” Barbara Fisher said of her two children. “They know I’m out here trying to make a better living wage for them and also a better future for them. That’s why today is very important.”

The protest is part of a nationwide demonstration.

This is cute.
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bai bai, 'murica.
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Are fast food workers protected by a union?

If not I would just fire them and hire some new staff
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Well, if they're striking for $15 minimum wage, then I want to strike and get my $12/hr Medical Record position to $20/hr.
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Ivalice_VKP posted...

Well, if they're striking for $15 minimum wage, then I want to strike and get my $12/hr Medical Record position to $20/hr.

For real. I worked my ass off for my 18/hr management job. Why work hard to better yourself when you can cry, protest and demand? If minimum wage is increased is that going to devalue the current higher paid employees or will they get a raise too?

I understand they want a livable wage but the bitter taste of "not enough" is what fueled my fire to succeed.
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Good. I just got back from taking my grandma to wal-mart--and she bought me a few things, bless her heart--and bruh for a place that fucking tries to advertise themselves with the slogan "Everyday low prices!" it was literally anything but

Fucking medium sized bag of cheetos was fucking $2.50 no fucking joke and that's not even the worst of it. go to wal-mart and see just how shitty our economy has gotten while everyone was distracted with the presidential race bullshit and other shenanigans

we're fucked unless we start paying our workers what they're fucking owed. you literally can't live on anything less than maybe $12/hour @ 40+ hours a week and don't give me that fucking high horse high pedestal bull shit like "DERRR WELL IF DEY WANT A LIVING WAGE WORK A REAL JOB NOT SOMETHING HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DO DERRR" Yeah dude because everyone is like you and has had all the same fucking opportunities and didn't commit any mistakes dude fuck off with that fucking shit. Not everyone is born with a diamond spoon in their colon and rich parents that do everything for them. Some people never even had parents.

Don't anyone even fucking try saying that shit to me I wish somebody would tho
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Action53 posted...

Why work hard to better yourself when you can cry, protest and demand?

Why work hard for job worth little more than minimum? If you work hard for little then your work isn't valued. It's your attitude that makes your work poorly paid, work hard and demand appropriate returns, don't make your hands bleed for scraps.
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Cool.

Hopefully America can lose some weight while this happens

Yeah fast food works deserve at least £10 a hour.....
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I believe the minimum wage needs a bump in some places, especially for a full time job. No one full time should be offered minimum wage. However, going from 7.25 to 15.00 for a McDonald's crew position makes no sense. There are higher paying entry level positions in the cities. What they need to work on is making sure we're have better opportunities to get better positions and less difficulty in obtaining training and necessities for better jobs.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

“It’s very important because of the fact I’m doing it for them,” Barbara Fisher said of her two children. “They know I’m out here trying to make a better living wage for them and also a better future for them. That’s why today is very important.”

then get a better fucking job lmao
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Shenti_Reborn posted...

Fucking medium sized bag of cheetos was fucking $2.50 no fucking joke and that's not even the worst of it.

that price is cheap. they're more expensive everywhere else
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that's like $18 Canadian :O
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helIy posted...

Shenti_Reborn posted...

Fucking medium sized bag of cheetos was fucking $2.50 no fucking joke and that's not even the worst of it.

that price is cheap. they're more expensive everywhere else

but that's fucking stupid
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News:

McDonalds invents a DIY Drivethru where you can order frozen products that you cook yourself at home, this eliminates the need for any staff.
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Shenti_Reborn posted...

but that's fucking stupid

thems the breaks
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McDonald's rolled out these bad boys a few years back, about half a year after our provincial government said they'd eventually raise minimum wage to $15/hr.


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I'm all for raising minimum wage if it means that unpleasant jobs will start being done by robots.
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When two people working full time jobs can't support a household, it is time to raise wages.
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@Shenti_Reborn

if you dont wanna get paid like unskilled labor, dont be unskilled labor

come at me son
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Their minimum is already $11 ffs.
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If it works for them, that's fine.
I don't see why people are pissed, other people make money too? HOW DARE THEY.

Mead posted...

When two people working full time jobs can't support a household, it is time to raise wages.

when two unskilled laborers have 50 fucking kids when they couldnt affor the first one, its time to let them starve

not the kids of course. give them 3 square meals and a few uniforms at school, but the parents can fucking rot. we owe them nothing.
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shadowsword87 posted...

If it works for them, that's fine.
I don't see why people are pissed, other people make money too? HOW DARE THEY.

because when they artificially inflate the country's currency, EVERYONES money is worth less you dummy
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Lmao, do they realize those $15 an hour jobs won't go to them?

There will be plenty of more experienced burger flippers applying.
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They are not being inclusive enough and it's gonna backfire.

Many people can agree that min wage is not a current living wage, but the truth is that 50% of people working in the US right now make less then $15 an hour.

That range is pretty large though with the Fed min wage still being $7.25 an hour.

There are tons and tons of skilled labor jobs that pay less then $15 an hour, many require schooling or training to achieve, and that isn't even counting all the jobs in there that Started at say $10 an hour and after 10+ years are not finally getting up to $13+ an hour.

A straight jump of minimum wage basically is a big middle finger to a large portion of that 50% of working americans who have slowly increased how much they make over years, or went to college for a job, or a vocational school, or just got a license etc that required spending money.

In my area (Olympia Wa), we jumped to $11 an hour, and suddenly every single job paid as much as skilled caregivers (requires training + $500+ dollars for the license) and a ton of other skilled jobs.

So no, a flat minimum wage increase of such a large amount will not a good solution.

A flat percentage increase of all non-salaried positions under $20 an hour (up to a max of $20 an hour), would be a better thing to strive for. Along with that though min you can pay for a salaried position would also need to go up (just not by 20%).

Still not a perfect solution, but way better then the total train wreck that just doubling the minimum wage across the board would be.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

when two unskilled laborers have 50 f***ing kids when they couldnt affor the first one, its time to let them starve

not the kids of course. give them 3 square meals and a few uniforms at school, but the parents can f***ing rot. we owe them nothing.

I think I remember there was an academic study that said that fast-food workers are a lot more likely to receive benefits from public assistance programs. Given that you said that we owe them nothing, why shouldn't the companies be driven into paying their employees so that they don't have to use these public programs?
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Troll_Police_ posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

If it works for them, that's fine.
I don't see why people are pissed, other people make money too? HOW DARE THEY.

because when they artificially inflate the country's currency, EVERYONES money is worth less you dummy

Basically doubling min wage would devalue what everyone earns, including those on set incomes, living off 401k's etc. The elderly couple who currently have $1200 coming in per month total, would suddenly get far less from that $1200 basically, and it would be much harder for them to live.

No simple solution here, but there are solutions that could work, it's just not likely they would ever actually be implemented (no profit for the wealthy in it).
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Lmao, do they realize those $15 an hour jobs won't go to them?

There will be plenty of more experienced burger flippers applying.

They want to unionize, which would make firing them without cause impossible. Of course these chains are so damn large they might just shut down locations entirely, like Walmart does when a union pops in. But fast food chains are often franchised, so it's really the local owner that gets fucked over, not the corporation.

But nobody cares about business owners.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

Mead posted...

When two people working full time jobs can't support a household, it is time to raise wages.

when two unskilled laborers have 50 fucking kids when they couldnt affor the first one, its time to let them starve

not the kids of course. give them 3 square meals and a few uniforms at school, but the parents can fucking rot. we owe them nothing.

I'm down with you and not supporting the parents, but taking care of the kids. 100% agree.

That being said TEACHERS in some areas are unable to pay to rent a 1 bedroom apartment with their child (or children), and I'm not talking about tons of kids, just 1 or 2).

This one Art teacher, where I used to live had to rent a room because the starting teacher salary for the first 5 years in our district was $30,500 per year (no raises till after 5 years). Rent for a 1 bedroom in the area was $1500 minimum (it's near SJ California) and Insurance for her and her son was expensive (don't remember the exact amount but it was over $300).

Now, yes, that was only 1 parent, and in aperfect world there would be 2, but you would be amazed at how many single parents there are out there.

Now that has nothing to do with Min wage (although 30k a year if you factor in 40 hours a week isn't that much more then min wage...and no, you can't just do another job during the 2 months of summer vacation you have ongoing education etc, that takes up a good 2-3 weeks of that). Net after taxes, for a teacher in that area was about 2k, with $1500 just for rent, it's not feasible to live on that (especially with a child).
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Veedrock- posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

Lmao, do they realize those $15 an hour jobs won't go to them?

There will be plenty of more experienced burger flippers applying.

They want to unionize, which would make firing them without cause impossible. Of course these chains are so damn large they might just shut down locations entirely, like Walmart does when a union pops in. But fast food chains are often franchised, so it's really the local owner that gets fucked over, not the corporation.

But nobody cares about business owners.

You can't unionize a job that they are already ready to replace, it's just not cost efficient yet. All it would do is push Mc D's etc to speed up the process of automating their chains, with just maybe 1 actual human employee there at a time to deal with machines breaking down etc.

Even if they paid that 1 employee twice what current ones make, it would be a great long term profit for them.
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wolfy42 posted...

You can't unionize a job that they are already ready to replace, it's just not cost efficient yet. All it would do is push Mc D's etc to speed up the process of automating their chains, with just maybe 1 actual human employee there at a time to deal with machines breaking down etc.

Even if they paid that 1 employee twice what current ones make, it would be a great long term profit for them.

Except mechanics make waaaay more than $22, except you don't have pure mechanics, it would also heavily require electronics, which need a completely different skillset to actually fix it.

Veedrock- posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

Lmao, do they realize those $15 an hour jobs won't go to them?

There will be plenty of more experienced burger flippers applying.

They want to unionize, which would make firing them without cause impossible. Of course these chains are so damn large they might just shut down locations entirely, like Walmart does when a union pops in. But fast food chains are often franchised, so it's really the local owner that gets fucked over, not the corporation.

But nobody cares about business owners.

As someone who wants to start a business in the next two years, I care very much about business owners. This is why I was so behind trump. Take big government out of the work force (and so many other places) and let them balance themselves out. No one is going to work for anything less than they can live off of. Right now tho these companies can just point to the arbitrary number and say "oh well" Minimum wage needs to be completely removed.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

@Shenti_Reborn

if you dont wanna get paid like unskilled labor, dont be unskilled labor

come at me son

facebook.com/shentex
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Why did you remove mcgreggor from your sig

And nate Diaz
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shadowsword87 posted...

wolfy42 posted...

You can't unionize a job that they are already ready to replace, it's just not cost efficient yet. All it would do is push Mc D's etc to speed up the process of automating their chains, with just maybe 1 actual human employee there at a time to deal with machines breaking down etc.

Even if they paid that 1 employee twice what current ones make, it would be a great long term profit for them.

Except mechanics make waaaay more than $22, except you don't have pure mechanics, it would also heavily require electronics, which need a completely different skillset to actually fix it.

You would not have mechanics or engineers there all the time, you would have someone there who monitored the equipment, and knew basic maintenance, which is already a job for many other companies and often does not pay much more then min wage in that area.

You call on the experts as needed, and pay them only for the time they are there fixing the problem, and it hopefully doesn't happen often.

More then likely the employee who monitored everything would make a bit more then a store manager currently does.

Also would allow pretty much every Mc D's (and other such places) to be run 24/7, and would work FAR better with the other changes happening (Many places now deliver more fast food chains like Mc D's (Mine does for $5 for instance), and you can order online etc. Way more efficient to do that all automated at this from a single spot (less stores).

If more people start getting fast food delivered, I'm sure there will be less stores already (so less employees) and that will make converting to automated even more cost effective.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Veedrock- posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

Lmao, do they realize those $15 an hour jobs won't go to them?

There will be plenty of more experienced burger flippers applying.

They want to unionize, which would make firing them without cause impossible. Of course these chains are so damn large they might just shut down locations entirely, like Walmart does when a union pops in. But fast food chains are often franchised, so it's really the local owner that gets fucked over, not the corporation.

But nobody cares about business owners.

As someone who wants to start a business in the next two years, I care very much about business owners. This is why I was so behind trump. Take big government out of the work force (and so many other places) and let them balance themselves out. No one is going to work for anything less than they can live off of. Right now tho these companies can just point to the arbitrary number and say "oh well" Minimum wage needs to be completely removed.

Except people are working for less then they can live off, and finding ways to survive all over the place right now....other people are commiting crimes because that seems like a better idea then slave labor etc.

Considering so many work under the min wage (and under the table) already, getting rid of it would just make things even worse.

No min wage would be insane right now, but would actually probably speed up a process that has been happening for awhile, and people would get fed up and force real change to happen much faster.

The solutions being called for are not great (just bumping min wage to $15), but the need for change is real, something has to happen as the current setup does not allow many us citizens any path towards security and happiness.
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People only work for $7.50 because companies can get away with it.

If there wasn't an arbitrary minimum, they would get paid a fair wage
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SmokeMassTree posted...

People only work for $7.50 because companies can get away with it.
If there wasn't an arbitrary minimum, they would get paid a fair wage

Except it's been proven over and over again that that isn't how the world works?

SmokeMassTree posted...

People only work for $7.50 because companies can get away with it.

If there wasn't an arbitrary minimum, they would get paid a fair wage

If there wasn't a minimum wage, people would be paid only when they refused to work.

There are less jobs than people, people compete for work, work doesn't compete for people.
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Without a min wage, min wage becomes (eventually) what you need to make in order to get the bare requirements to stay alive (food/water...in it's cheapest form). It might take awhile to get there, and all jobs won't end up at that level, but that is how you start down that road.

Min wage keeps even the amount you have to pay people under the table up, without it, you could end up paying people $1-2$ and hour in many areas quite easily.

Not even gonna bothering listing places where this is already the case outside of our country.
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Exactly. The more skilled people would get jobs, when you're more skilled you can ask for more money
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wolfy42 posted...

Without a min wage, min wage becomes (eventually) what you need to make in order to get the bare requirements to stay alive (food/water...in it's cheapest form). It might take awhile to get there, and all jobs won't end up at that level, but that is how you start down that road.

Min wage keeps even the amount you have to pay people under the table up, without it, you could end up paying people $1-2$ and hour in many areas quite easily.

Not even gonna bothering listing places where this is already the case outside of our country.

My favorite is the "being paid Company Funbucks (tm), only redeemable at our Company Funbucks Store (tm)".

The smart thing is to instate minimum wage skill ranking, when skills of X grade are asked for, the pay must be X grade too.
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Shenti_Reborn posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

@Shenti_Reborn

if you dont wanna get paid like unskilled labor, dont be unskilled labor

come at me son

facebook.com/shentex

yes, thats your facebook page.

proud of you for figuring out how to copy a URL little guy

you ARE a child and not just an abnormally small adult right?
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WastelandCowboy posted...

If lawmakers fail to act on the bills, the protesters are also backing two proposed ballot questions which would raise the minimum wage from $11 an hour to $15 an hour and guarantee workers have access to paid family and medical leave from their employers.

“It’s very important because of the fact I’m doing it for them,” Barbara Fisher said of her two children. “They know I’m out here trying to make a better living wage for them and also a better future for them. That’s why today is very important.”

Which begs the question: Are they ignorant about what it's done in Seattle or are they ignorant enough to think it would do differently there? >_>
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Yeah they need a minimum wage increase, but $15 is simply too much for a fast food worker. 11-12 is much more reasonable especially in the cheaper states. I could see $15/hr in the more expensive states though
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Nightwish posted...

Yeah they need a minimum wage increase, but $15 is simply too much for a fast food worker. 11-12 is much more reasonable especially in the cheaper states. I could see $15/hr in the more expensive states though

A single Federal minimum wage in general doesn't really make much sense when you consider the cost of an apartment in San Francisco vs Detroit. The minimum wage needs cost of living adjustments, yes, as it has been stagnant for too long but it should be indexed to local cost of living.

Shenti_Reborn posted...

Good. I just got back from taking my grandma to wal-mart--and she bought me a few things, bless her heart--and bruh for a place that fucking tries to advertise themselves with the slogan "Everyday low prices!" it was literally anything but

Fucking medium sized bag of cheetos was fucking $2.50 no fucking joke and that's not even the worst of it. go to wal-mart and see just how shitty our economy has gotten while everyone was distracted with the presidential race bullshit and other shenanigans

we're fucked unless we start paying our workers what they're fucking owed. you literally can't live on anything less than maybe $12/hour @ 40+ hours a week and don't give me that fucking high horse high pedestal bull shit like "DERRR WELL IF DEY WANT A LIVING WAGE WORK A REAL JOB NOT SOMETHING HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DO DERRR" Yeah dude because everyone is like you and has had all the same fucking opportunities and didn't commit any mistakes dude fuck off with that fucking shit. Not everyone is born with a diamond spoon in their colon and rich parents that do everything for them. Some people never even had parents.

Don't anyone even fucking try saying that shit to me I wish somebody would tho

You do realize that, if required to pay all of their employees more per hour, Wal Mart's prices will go even higher, right?

You seemed to have contradicted yourself there.