Poll of the Day > Cop tackles A word that is banned boy to the ground thinking he was on drugs

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Zikten
09/22/17 2:17:22 PM
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Cop sees 14 year old boy walking through neigborhood doing hand motions and hopping around. basically just minding his own business and doing autism things.

cop leaps out of car and approaches boy and demands to know if he is on drugs. boy is nervous and backs up, cop attacks and brings him to the ground and handcuffs him and refuses to answer the boys questions.

Even after a polite neighbor who is probably seething inside but is pretending to be nice for the boy's sake, explains to him about the autism the cop never apologizes.


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WastelandCowboy
09/22/17 2:19:45 PM
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Lol. Censors word on topic title and then includes it in the description.
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:23:08 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Lol. Censors word on topic title and then includes it in the description.

you can't use the word in the title. they automatically ban it and give you a message accusing you of using it as an insult. inside the topic you can use it but you have to check a checkmark box saying you understand it will be reviewed by a mod
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My_Unit
09/22/17 2:23:19 PM
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How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:25:01 PM
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My_Unit posted...
How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?

that doesn't excuse anything. the kid was doing nothing wrong. he was just hopping and moving his arms around. autistic kids do stuff like that. he wasn't hurting anyone
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Zeus
09/22/17 2:25:38 PM
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That is pretty fucked up, although the boy's parents probably shouldn't have just left him wandering around the front yard if he was that severe.
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:26:42 PM
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I grew up in the 80's and I never had to deal with this, and that was before people knew what autism was. there is no excuse for this to happen now in the 21st century
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Dikitain
09/22/17 2:32:57 PM
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Zikten posted...
My_Unit posted...
How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?

that doesn't excuse anything.


Yes it is, would people be this outraged at the cop if the kid had a gun and was intent on shooting up the playground? I wouldn't blame the kid or the cop for anything, I would blame the parents for letting their obviously autistic kid go out alone without supervision.
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SushiSquid
09/22/17 2:33:05 PM
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That police officer should be fired. Not just reprimanded or whatever. Policing is a very different job. You have much higher legal rights, but also responsibilities. This guy clearly isnt cut out for being trusted with that.

I mean, let's say the kid had been doing drugs. Who gives a shit? He's not hurting anyone or doing anything wrong. Everything this cop did is just totally wrong.
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ClarkDuke
09/22/17 2:34:23 PM
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ZiggiStardust
09/22/17 2:34:38 PM
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just seems like a misunderstanding. i don't understand what's so awful. nobody got hurt, ok?

fair, next.
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:35:18 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Zikten posted...
My_Unit posted...
How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?

that doesn't excuse anything.


Yes it is, would people be this outraged at the cop if the kid had a gun and was intent on shooting up the playground? I wouldn't blame the kid or the cop for anything, I would blame the parents for letting their obviously autistic kid go out alone without supervision.

my biggest issue is about how it ended. the whole thing was fucked up, but he could have at least apologized when he found out the truth. he didn't. and he didn't even let the kid go for minutes still. the very moment he learned about the autism he should have let the kid go and said "I am sooooo sorry, kid."
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:36:02 PM
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ClarkDuke posted...
You wouldn't care if he was Jewish, ok?

ZiggiStardust posted...
just seems like a misunderstanding. i don't understand what's so awful. nobody got hurt, ok?

fair, next.



why do you post back to back with alts? that's just weird ok?
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Krow_Incarnate
09/22/17 2:37:54 PM
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:43

Next.
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Veedrock-
09/22/17 2:38:02 PM
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Apologizing would be admission of wrongdoing which would get you fucked in court.

But muh feelings!
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SunWuKung420
09/22/17 2:38:09 PM
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That police department gonna get sued and rightfully so.
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Dikitain
09/22/17 2:38:23 PM
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Zikten posted...
Dikitain posted...
Zikten posted...
My_Unit posted...
How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?

that doesn't excuse anything.


Yes it is, would people be this outraged at the cop if the kid had a gun and was intent on shooting up the playground? I wouldn't blame the kid or the cop for anything, I would blame the parents for letting their obviously autistic kid go out alone without supervision.

my biggest issue is about how it ended. the whole thing was fucked up, but he could have at least apologized when he found out the truth. he didn't. and he didn't even let the kid go for minutes still. the very moment he learned about the autism he should have let the kid go and said "I am sooooo sorry, kid."

Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do. That is why the parents should have been there, they could have told the officer that the kid has autism and none of this would have happened in the first place.
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:38:49 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Apologizing would be admission of wrongdoing which would get you fucked in court.

But muh feelings!

I care more about the feelings of a 14 year old boy than I do about the career of a douche
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ClarkDuke
09/22/17 2:38:57 PM
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Zikten posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
You wouldn't care if he was Jewish, ok?

ZiggiStardust posted...
just seems like a misunderstanding. i don't understand what's so awful. nobody got hurt, ok?

fair, next.



why do you post back to back with alts? that's just weird ok?

What in the world are you talking about, you sound paranoid, ok?
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:39:48 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Zikten posted...
Dikitain posted...
Zikten posted...
My_Unit posted...
How is the cop supposed to know hes autistic?

that doesn't excuse anything.


Yes it is, would people be this outraged at the cop if the kid had a gun and was intent on shooting up the playground? I wouldn't blame the kid or the cop for anything, I would blame the parents for letting their obviously autistic kid go out alone without supervision.

my biggest issue is about how it ended. the whole thing was fucked up, but he could have at least apologized when he found out the truth. he didn't. and he didn't even let the kid go for minutes still. the very moment he learned about the autism he should have let the kid go and said "I am sooooo sorry, kid."

Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do. That is why the parents should have been there, they could have told the officer that the kid has autism and none of this would have happened in the first place.

cop training is subpar in this day and age. the entire way cops are trained needs to be overhauled
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Yellow
09/22/17 2:42:33 PM
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US police suuuuuck.
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Zikten
09/22/17 2:44:58 PM
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Yellow posted...
US police suuuuuck.

thye really do. I once watched a montage of videos from Swatting incidents. and all but one of them took place in America. the one that didn't was in Britain. In all the US ones, the cops almost killed the victim. in the british one, the cop knocked on the door and waited for the victim to open it, then talked to him and waited to be invited in, and talked calmly to the victim and looked at the computer than shook the victim's hand and left. he never even reached for his gun
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Yellow
09/22/17 2:51:04 PM
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True. Everyone here is just used to how much they suck at this point.

"Well you shouldn't run if you don't want to get shot"
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Kyuubi4269
09/22/17 2:56:06 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.

When you're given more power over people than others, you are also much more responsible for taking advantage of these powers. Misuse of privileges, particularly when it brings harm to people, has to be treated very seriously or the job draws in power hungry psychopaths, which is already a huge issue in the US.
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I've seen some stuff
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KevinceKostner
09/22/17 2:58:19 PM
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Shall we say high risk individuals might benefit from some form of easy identification, like colored bracelets or the like?
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Kyuubi4269
09/22/17 3:06:22 PM
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KevinceKostner posted...
Shall we say high risk individuals might benefit from some form of easy identification, like colored bracelets or the like?

Aren't they already identified by skin tone and outfit?
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RIP_Supa posted...
I've seen some stuff
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Yellow
09/22/17 3:09:28 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
KevinceKostner posted...
Shall we say high risk individuals might benefit from some form of easy identification, like colored bracelets or the like?

Aren't they already identified by skin tone and outfit?

Calm down grandpa, not in public.
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:11:40 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect. All of the signs of him fleeing were there, and the officer didn't do anything outrageous like pull a gun or taser on him.
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SmokeMassTree2
09/22/17 3:16:20 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect. All of the signs of him fleeing were there, and the officer didn't do anything outrageous like pull a gun or taser on him.


The entire incident happened because a child was too happy.

This is gross
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Golden Road
09/22/17 3:24:00 PM
#30:


Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do. That is why the parents should have been there, they could have told the officer that the kid has autism and none of this would have happened in the first place.

14-year-olds do not need constant parental supervision.
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darkknight109
09/22/17 3:27:34 PM
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Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect.

A suspect of what? He wasn't suspected of anything.
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Zikten
09/22/17 3:27:42 PM
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plus the parents probably never expected a cop to see their kid playing and think it's drugs. they see him play every day and it's normal to them and drugs never enter their mind.
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OmegaTomHank
09/22/17 3:30:50 PM
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Zeus posted...
That is pretty fucked up, although the boy's parents probably shouldn't have just left him wandering around the front yard if he was that severe.


He's not. He was just playing with a string when he was accosted by a wild boar. He then freaked out which is normal behavior autism or not
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:34:35 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect.

A suspect of what? He wasn't suspected of anything.

He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.
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Zikten
09/22/17 3:36:05 PM
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Dikitain posted...
He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.

your ignoring his reaction upon learning the truth though. that proves he is a douche. his reaction is to just say "that's fine..." and still be holding down the kid and asking more questions. LET THE KID GO.
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OhhhJa
09/22/17 3:36:35 PM
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I mean... you cant really see what the boy was doing before the cop stopped him. We don't really see him until the cop approaches him so there's no telling
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OmegaTomHank
09/22/17 3:39:52 PM
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Dikitain posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect.

A suspect of what? He wasn't suspected of anything.

He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.



WHy are you making up this irrelevant hypothetical bullshit?

It has nothing to do with anything.

And he wasn't even behaving erratically, he was playing with a string.

The problem with this country is that people don't know how to mind their own business. Being weird or potentially even mentally handicapped isn't an excuse to harass people.

There's an older guy around my parts that obsessively cleans any public area he's in, I'd imagine he has some sort of autism but I've never cared either way. The police job is to protect and serve not harass civilians any time they think they can get a drug bust.

Also because of quotas police harrassment is at its highest during the last days of the month
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:39:58 PM
#38:


Zikten posted...
Dikitain posted...
He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.

your ignoring his reaction upon learning the truth though. that proves he is a douche. his reaction is to just say "that's fine..." and still be holding down the kid and asking more questions. LET THE KID GO.

No I am not because the truth still doesn't mean the kid isn't a threat. He needed to fully assess the situation himself and determine the kid isn't a threat before letting him go. Taking a random person's word isn't enough.

I mean is everyone on this board seriously the type of people who would rather vigilante justice in this case? That would probably mean the kid would have been killed rather then just inconvenienced for a few minutes.
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:41:12 PM
#39:


OmegaTomHank posted...
Dikitain posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect.

A suspect of what? He wasn't suspected of anything.

He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.



WHy are you making up this irrelevant hypothetical bullshit?

It has nothing to do with anything.

And he wasn't even behaving erratically, he was playing with a string.

The problem with this country is that people don't know how to mind their own business. Being weird or potentially even mentally handicapped isn't an excuse to harass people.

There's an older guy around my parts that obsessively cleans any public area he's in, I'd imagine he has some sort of autism but I've never cared either way. The police job is to protect and serve not harass civilians any time they think they can get a drug bust.

Also because of quotas police harrassment is at its highest during the last days of the month

It's not irrelevant if that is what the police are looking for and find. Answer the fucking question.
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darkknight109
09/22/17 3:41:50 PM
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Dikitain posted...
He was acting erratically

Something that can just as easily be attributed to a medical condition (or potentially a medical emergency). And, surprise surprise, that's exactly what it wound up being.

Odd how the cop never bothered to check for that and just jumped to the assumption of drugs.

Dikitain posted...
Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage?

Probably not, but that's not what happened so this hypothetical isn't really relevant.

Imagine you're walking past a school and a cop, out of nowhere, tackles you to the ground and handcuffs you. When you protest that you weren't doing anything wrong, the cop says "Well, if you'd actually been threatening to shoot up the school, people would be calling me a hero." His statement isn't wrong, but that doesn't even come close to justifying his actions because there was no indication you were armed (even if that possibility couldn't be discounted) and you did nothing to suggest you had any ill intent.

The child was not being threatening, he was not doing anything that a reasonable person would suggest had malicious intent. The cop was way over the line, ESPECIALLY when the situation was subsequently explained to him.
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OmegaTomHank
09/22/17 3:45:16 PM
#41:


Dikitain posted...
OmegaTomHank posted...
Dikitain posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Dikitain posted...
Why would he be sorry? He was doing the job he was trained to do.

He was not trained to beat up people for being weird.


He didn't "beat up" anyone, he was restraining a possibly fleeing suspect.

A suspect of what? He wasn't suspected of anything.

He was acting erratically. Like I said, ignore everything else in this situation, if that kid was doing everything else he was doing but had a gun hidden on his person and was intending to shoot up the playground, would people still have this kind of outrage? You have the benefit of hindsight, the cop didn't.



WHy are you making up this irrelevant hypothetical bullshit?

It has nothing to do with anything.

And he wasn't even behaving erratically, he was playing with a string.

The problem with this country is that people don't know how to mind their own business. Being weird or potentially even mentally handicapped isn't an excuse to harass people.

There's an older guy around my parts that obsessively cleans any public area he's in, I'd imagine he has some sort of autism but I've never cared either way. The police job is to protect and serve not harass civilians any time they think they can get a drug bust.

Also because of quotas police harrassment is at its highest during the last days of the month

It's not irrelevant if that is what the police are looking for and find. Answer the fucking question.



Playing with a string in front of your face makes people think he has a gun and is going to kill someone?


Maybe the police should come to your house and tackle you since you might be on something
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darkknight109
09/22/17 3:45:56 PM
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Dikitain posted...
It's not irrelevant if that is what the police are looking for and find.

But they *didn't* find it. And he had no reason to suspect he would find it. That's the entire fucking point.

Dikitain posted...
He needed to fully assess the situation himself and determine the kid isn't a threat before letting him go.

This is known in legal circles as "unreasonable search and seizure."

"Yeah, I know you weren't doing anything illegal, but I have to make sure you weren't secretly planning to murder the president before I release you. Can't be too careful you know."

Dikitain posted...
Taking a random person's word isn't enough.

A "random person", in legal terms, is usually referred to as a "witness". Their word is worth a bit more than you seem to be giving it credit for.

Dikitain posted...
I mean is everyone on this board seriously the type of people who would rather vigilante justice in this case? That would probably mean the kid would have been killed rather then just inconvenienced for a few minutes.

No, I think people on this board are thinking that a 14 year old autistic boy probably shouldn't be manhandled by the cops for playing.

It's a pretty radical position, I know, but I think there might be something to it.
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OhhhJa
09/22/17 3:46:20 PM
#43:


darkknight109 posted...
Something that can just as easily be attributed to a medical condition (or potentially a medical emergency). And, surprise surprise, that's exactly what it wound up being.

So that means it's a medical condition every time bc this time it was and it was posted on social media?
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:51:13 PM
#44:


darkknight109 posted...
Probably not, but that's not what happened so this hypothetical isn't really relevant.

So in other words the cop was justified.

Imagine you're walking past a school and a cop, out of nowhere, tackles you to the ground and handcuffs you.


Which isn't what happened. The kid was asked a question first, and instead of answering acted erratically. Hence, he was being restrained until the cop was able to assess the situation and determine that he wasn't a threat.
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Zikten
09/22/17 3:53:22 PM
#45:


Dikitain posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Probably not, but that's not what happened so this hypothetical isn't really relevant.

So in other words the cop was justified.

Imagine you're walking past a school and a cop, out of nowhere, tackles you to the ground and handcuffs you.


Which isn't what happened. The kid was asked a question first, and instead of answering acted erratically. Hence, he was being restrained until the cop was able to assess the situation and determine that he wasn't a threat.

he acted erratic because he has autism. and he was scared and shy and didn't know what to do. This scenerio was a nightmare situation for someone like him. he is very shy and subdued. meanwhile the cop is super aggressive and assertive. and he's demanding the kid to act like a normal child. so when he doesn't he gets pissed off. that is not a good quality in a cop.
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darkknight109
09/22/17 3:53:35 PM
#46:


OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Something that can just as easily be attributed to a medical condition (or potentially a medical emergency). And, surprise surprise, that's exactly what it wound up being.

So that means it's a medical condition every time bc this time it was and it was posted on social media?

That's a pretty big leap from what I actually said.

No, it's not always going to be a medical condition; the point is, you can't simply rule jump straight to the "he's high on drugs" assumption, or else shit like this happens and an innocent bystander - doing nothing illegal or malicious - gets manhandled by a cop.

Whether you support the cops or not, you should be strongly against this. If you're part of the crowd that thinks they're a gang with badges, this is them abusing their authority. If you think they're the good guys, this does an excellent job of making them look like bad guys.
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OmegaTomHank
09/22/17 3:54:05 PM
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He answered all of the officers questions.

The officer didn't know what stimming meant because he's dumb
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darkknight109
09/22/17 3:55:03 PM
#48:


Dikitain posted...
So in other words the cop was justified.

You apparently missed the second half of that quote - that is not what happened, so why bother bringing it up? He didn't find a gun, he just fucking mugged an autistic teenager. That's not something to celebrate.

Dikitain posted...
Which isn't what happened.

So, in other words, the cop in my hypothetical would be justified beating you up.
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OhhhJa
09/22/17 3:56:11 PM
#49:


darkknight109 posted...
Whether you support the cops or not, you should be strongly against this.

In your opinion...

As I said in a previous post, we don't really see what the kid was doing before the cop approaches him. Maybe the cop was in the wrong to assume that but we didn't see what the erratic behavior in question was. But yes, I am annoyed how a lot of cops jump to the on drugs conclusion
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Dikitain
09/22/17 3:57:22 PM
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Zikten posted...
Dikitain posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Probably not, but that's not what happened so this hypothetical isn't really relevant.

So in other words the cop was justified.

Imagine you're walking past a school and a cop, out of nowhere, tackles you to the ground and handcuffs you.


Which isn't what happened. The kid was asked a question first, and instead of answering acted erratically. Hence, he was being restrained until the cop was able to assess the situation and determine that he wasn't a threat.

he acted erratic because he has autism.


And the cop didn't know that. You can't use that argument because you have the benefit of knowing that beforehand while he doesn't.
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