Board 8 > What is wrong with the world today...

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You obviously can't fire the non-employee, but how often are you ever going to see them told to quit flirting or be asked to leave or anything? Probably almost never because it's not viewed negatively

FFDs implications and Corrik's inability to perceive the implications were both pretty magnificent.

Everything else has been fairly meh.
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swordz9 posted...

You obviously can't fire the non-employee, but how often are you ever going to see them told to quit flirting or be asked to leave or anything? Probably almost never because it's not viewed negatively

i mean you really shouldn't be hitting on employees when you go to the store either but okay
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

FFDs implications and Corrik's inability to perceive the implications were both pretty magnificent.

Everything else has been fairly meh.

I caught FFD was trolling after the fact haha. Like I said though, some of the liberals on this board are so out there that at first you actually believe it is true at first.
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I mean there's a lot of things non-employees get away with doing that they shouldn't

it's not that it's not seen as wrong, they just get away with it because of the stupid "customer's always right" perception

And I say that because I have had female employees get hit on at work, and while we can't do anything about it really unless the customer is overly aggressive, we absolutely do mock how fucking creepy that is when they leave
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this really has nothing to do with liberalism
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It's one thing if you're working together and have some ongoing knowledge of each other. It's not always wrong to ask a number at work.

Asking a client as soon as she looks at you is grounds for punishment if not getting fired, and you're being ridiculous if you really don't think there's a reason to feel additional pressure not to say no to an agent at an airport.
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Am I going to get attacked if I say both parties seem out of line here?
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Johnbobb posted...

I mean there's a lot of things non-employees get away with doing that they shouldn't

it's not that it's not seen as wrong, they just get away with it because of the stupid "customer's always right" perception

And I say that because I have had female employees get hit on at work, and while we can't do anything about it really unless the customer is overly aggressive, we absolutely do mock how fucking creepy that is when they leave

Putting yourself out there some and politely asking someone out is normally actually not that creepy.

You will also find out that if you hang around girls long enough that girls define creepy on if the guy is attractive to them or not. Guy A asks her out. She says he is creepy because she finds him not attractive. Guy B asks her out the same exact way. She is swooning and so excited to be going out on a date with him because she finds him attractive.

9 out of 10 times girls that say a guy is creepy is just defining that the guy is not attractive to them.
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Theo72 posted...

this really has nothing to do with liberalism

for some reason anytime the issue of "is treating women this way creepy?" comes up, the people on the "no it's fine" side blame the issue on liberalism
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HaRRicH posted...

It's one thing if you're working together and have some ongoing knowledge of each other. It's not always wrong to ask a number at work.

Asking a client as soon as she looks at you is grounds for punishment if not getting fired, and you're being ridiculous if you really don't think there's a reason to feel additional pressure not to say no to an agent at an airport.

So, since this is now national news, you think the TSA Agent is getting fired or punished? lol
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What? Corrik is evolving!

Congratulations! Your Corrick evolved into Vlado!

Corrik posted...

Putting yourself out there some and politely asking someone out is normally actually not that creepy.

asking a customer out instead of just doing your damn job for them is automatically impolite and creepy
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Mythiot posted...

What? Corrik is evolving!

Congratulations! Your Corrick evolved into Vlado!

Corrik posted...

9 out of 10 times girls that say a guy is creepy is just defining that the guy is not attractive to them.

No that's SmartMuffin
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NBIceman posted...

Am I going to get attacked if I say both parties seem out of line here?

like i don't see what she did that was out of line

if you disagree with her whatever

but all she did was vent on twitter.
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Yeah, there are thing both sides shouldn't do in a workplace. The situation is pretty different for men in both cases too anyways. A woman is probably more likely to be creeped out by a male employee or customer flirting with them while most guy customers and employees wouldn't mind a woman flirting with them in most cases. This guy shouldn't have flirted while working, but with her being a celebrity I don't really think I could blame for him trying even if it's unprofessional

UltimaterializerX posted...

paranoid victim complex nutjob

if I ever start a band I'm naming it this
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It's unprofessional, no doubt. Guy shouldn't be doing that as a regular thing. But there are plenty of unprofessional things we do at work. Posting at gamefaqs at work is unprofessional, and I'm sure 80% of the board does that at least sometimes.

That doesn't mean overreacting is suddenly okay either though. If he hasn't been fired for it yet he's probably not hitting on everything that moves, and I don't think doing it once in a great while is a big deal.

It's harmless. Just say no and be on your way if not interested. I've given girls my number at work before when they've asked and I mean like, the catch with the bar thing is you're not at a bar now and who says you ever will be. Seize the day, just don't be pushy about it.
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In seriousness though, I understand how a TSA agent asking for your phone number out of the blue would be annoying and a little creepy. Maybe she took her venting a little too far, but whatever. The phone number shouldn't be the first thing you do, especially if she's a celebrity who gets unwanted attention all the time.

The fact that this has somehow become a liberal vs. conservative thing is what's actually wrong with the world today.

The TSA guy might have been a creep (maybe), but for her to use that as a microcosm for the female struggle against male oppression is embarrassingly reductive and sexist.
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Here's a concept that's only controvertial to freaks: if the very first thing you say to a girl is asking for her number, you're a total wierdo in ANY situation, including a bar!

Maybe act like a human being and not a desperate robot?
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sometimes you have literally one chance to ask a woman her number

what was this dude like "I think I'll get to know this woman at the TSA line a little before I ask her number"

nah man, if you think a woman is cute, go for it right away. Women respond to it WAY better than the alternative, even if its not an urgent matter (at least this was my experience dating in the mid-aughts, we'll see how much this has changed in the past decade)
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100% agree on the Cam Newton thing. That was a total yeesh situation. Sucks for Cam losing the yogurt deal but I think most of society is actually on his side as far as it being an overreaction goes from actual human interaction (men and women alike) on the topic.

Though you'd never know it from media coverage cause you throw yourself under the bus if you try to play it off as more of a harmless gaffe than malicious or hurtful, like I think most people take it. Easier to just act appalled till it blows over.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

sometimes you have literally one chance to ask a woman her number

what was this dude like "I think I'll get to know this woman at the TSA line a little before I ask her number"

nah man, if you think a woman is cute, go for it right away. Women respond to it WAY better than the alternative, even if its not an urgent matter (at least this was my experience dating in the mid-aughts, we'll see how much this has changed in the past decade)

Or maybe you should just suck it up that there wasn't an appropriate opportunity to get the girl's number and ask another girl under non-creepy circumstances
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Lopen posted...

I've given girls my number at work before when they've asked

Literally no one is dumb enough to belie-

UltimaterializerX posted...

Nah bro when females do it it's empowerment. It's only bad if men do it, you see.

Oh.

Sorry dude, but being "creepy" doesn't bother the rest of us like it might bother you. If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman, and 99% chance of being considered a "creep" then catch me in her bushes because there's never been a more clear cut cost benefit analysis imhhhho
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SantaRPidgey posted...

If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman

given this post and a few others here, i think you're overestimating
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Honestly if you think asking someone for their number is creepy by default that probably reflects more on you than anything. You probably had moments where you thought about doing it, crippled by fear and anxiety, thinking "wow why would I subject a woman to this"

That's not how well adjusted people are feeling though. Asking for a number should be taken with only marginally more gravitas than yapping about the weather.

That being said, don't do it often, cause you're a professional.
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oh absolutely I am

but you roll a 1000 sided dice enough times you're going to get a p nice number.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Sorry dude, but being "creepy" doesn't bother the rest of us like it might bother you. If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman, and 99% chance of being considered a "creep" then catch me in her bushes because there's never been a more clear cut cost benefit analysis imhhhho

Sorry your OK with being such a freako creep, sure that'll never bite you.

Theo72 posted...

SantaRPidgey posted...

If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman

given this post and a few others here, i think you're overestimating

No shit.
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Lopen posted...

Honestly if you think asking someone for their number is creepy by default that probably reflects more on you than anything.

i think you're leaving out context here
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Sorry dude, but being "creepy" doesn't bother the rest of us like it might bother you. If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman, and 99% chance of being considered a "creep" then catch me in her bushes because there's never been a more clear cut cost benefit analysis imhhhho

I mean, even if youre a security guard in a position of power over her?

Its one thing to just ask some girl on the street youve never met, but shes in a situation where you can literally decide if she continues her day as normal or not.

Thats what makes it weird to me.

And how the fuck is this a Liberal and Conservative thing? Whyyy does it have to become that?
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I don't think I am unless he asked just after patting her down or something. It's an airport, not a funeral.
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Lopen posted...

Honestly if you think asking someone for their number is creepy by default that probably reflects more on you than anything.

There's a difference between asking someone for their number and it being the first thing you say to a human being. One has a variety of potential results. The other make you look like a desperate, sad, pathetic loser. "Guy who asks girl for their number before talking them" sounds like a background character in Bob's Burgers. Maybe he's the focus of the episode. Loise has to help him turn his game around.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

And how the fuck is this a Liberal and Conservative thing? Whyyy does it have to become that?

Corrik.

And then Ulti posted, but....haha....he doesn't really count anymore.
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This tweet nearly destroyed my faith in humanity until FFD came through with the Always Sunny references.

If it were up to Brie Larson humanity would just die out.
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Like, let's look at this rationally.

"It works 1 in a 1000 times, so I gotta give it a shot!"

Maybe....it doesn't work often because it's an awful move? Maybe try something else?

5th graders have better game. No phone numbers to ask for.
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I don't know, if I saw the most stunning woman in the world walking by and I knew there was zero chance of seeing her again if I behaved normally I might ask for her number

I get how annoying it is to be on the receiving end, but that's just life

The other part is that jobs like tsa or being a highway toll person are some of the most depressing in the entire world, so we probably shouldn't kick them for being a little desperate

Their entire day is composed of brief, impersonal interactions with mildly irritated people
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That's more in delivery and execution than anything. I doubt he had the delivery of a phone number extracting automaton and probably made a brief amount of chit chat before asking, but sure, if he did that that's creepy

Again that you're envisioning him as a drone when doing this I think says more about you but *shrug
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I mean, even if youre a security guard in a position of power over her?

This isn't even a grey area position of power. As someone who has actively been stopped by the TSA for fear of a bomb post 9-11 you're giving this title too much credit. A TSA has no more power than, say a store manager who accuses you of stealing. Unlike a store manager however, there's a fuck ton of due process that means there's nothing he could do besides maybe delay her flight a little? And by that logic literally any dude at the airport could probably pull that off with the same deal of effectiveness.
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Imagine being cool with nazis taking over america but 1 tweet from a girl makes you want to kill yourself
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It's unprofessional, absolutely. Creepy? Maybe a tiny bit.

Something to be used as some platform for female empowerment and more or less equated to rape? No, not even close.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Its one thing to just ask some girl on the street youve never met, but shes in a situation where you can literally decide if she continues her day as normal or not.

This can be true of almost any situation, especially if you're at work. I think a lot of you guys are automatically assuming the worst of humanity, and quite obviously that didn't happen. She rejected his advances, but mentions nothing about being detained by security or having him subject her to anything bad simply because she wasn't interested. For whatever reason, you guys are creating this scenario where it could be bad if she said no to him, but most likely would not result in anything foul. And the latter happened in this case. It was an exchange and it ended normally.

Honestly it probably was out of line for him to do that, given what his job is and all but it's just not that big of a deal. The "what's wrong with this world" is actually this entire situation on both sides. Her and some of you for caring way too much and overthinking issues whilst creating far-fetched scenarios in your head and a few far-right leaners immediately referencing other petty things in a "well if you think he's bad, look what SHE did!" sort of crap ala the football reporter story which had to be dragged into this topic. Way too much energy and time being given to stupid stories like this one. It should literally just be "who cares?". The world's big problem people crying over the small stuff and manchildren defending themselves by trying to fling things back at the other side. If people stopped all this we could probably achieve great things as a society.
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banananor posted...

I get how annoying it is to be on the receiving end, but that's just life

Asking a person's phone number to hit on them shouldn't have the same expected reaction as asking someone for their phone number to save their receipt in the system at checkout.
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LapisLazuli posted...

There's a difference between asking someone for their number and it being the first thing you say to a human being.

Yeah I don't know why this is a difficult concept to grasp

SantaRPidgey posted...

Sorry dude, but being "creepy" doesn't bother the rest of us like it might bother you. If I have a 1% chance of dating a beautiful woman, and 99% chance of being considered a "creep" then catch me in her bushes because there's never been a more clear cut cost benefit analysis imhhhho

I guess that makes sense if you give zero weight to your contribution to what for many women is a constant string of unwanted advances

Like, it's easy to rationalize that it's not that big a deal to be asked for your number without any interaction by one guy one time, but if a similar experience happens, say, every few days to you it would really start to wear on you after a while. And that's the reality that many women live with.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Like, let's look at this rationally.

"It works 1 in a 1000 times, so I gotta give it a shot!"

Maybe....it doesn't work often because it's an awful move? Maybe try something else?

5th graders have better game. No phone numbers to ask for.

what is your move when you are talking to a woman in a brief period of time and you will probably never see her again after that conversation? If there's a better move for that specific scenario I would love to hear it.

I mean, there's also giving her your card, but that's pretty much the same thing? Plus success rates with handing your number to a woman are drastically lower than getting her number. Women don't seem to like being the first to respond.
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It's not creepy, but it's annoying. If I'm in line for security at the airport, I want to hurry up and get to my gate. I'm not looking to socialize with randoms.

The woman definitely overreacted -- just say no and move on, it's not a "threat" -- but I understand being miffed over the whole situation, especially if it's something that happens a lot.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Like, it's easy to rationalize that it's not that big a deal to be asked for your number without any interaction by one guy one time, but if a similar experience happens, say, every few days to you it would really start to wear on you after a while. And that's the reality that many women live with.

This is kind of the crux of a lot of social justice movements, and of course its nonsense. People being annoying is not the same thing as people being problematic.
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