Board 8 > Conservative politics topic 3: Victory in Italy!

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Vlado posted...

>muh hillary won the popular vote

She did. Every time these groups come out saying "WE'VE FOUND THOUSANDS OF EXAMPLES OF VOTER FRAUD" they come back and the number is hilariously small.

They keep trying to match voting records to driver's license ignoring the whole "not everyone who votes has a driver's license" and get repeatedly shown that any voter fraud is barely in the hundreds. And Hillary won by 3 million votes.

You've yet to provide any meaningful evidence that 3 million illegal votes were cast, but keep thinking that.
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Vlado, refresh my memory. Whats your stance on lolicon?
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1. I'm sure the other 5,999,995 illegal votes you claim exist will get caught ANY day now. You know, for such a widespread act of criminal activity, threatening the legitimacy of Donald Trump's presidency, you'd think he'd...you know...DO SOMETHING about it, rather than just talk a big game and allow his idiot supporters to believe what they already wanted to hear.

2. You made a big deal about how Nintendo was caving to SJW pressure by choosing to censor the bikini costume of a 13-year-old character when they localized Xenoblade Chronicles for American audiences.

3. You know what other allegations have quieted down? Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey (aside from general House of Cards discussion), Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes, Al Franken. It's almost like, once the perverts and racists get ousted from power, there's not as much reason to follow their trials and tribulations anymore. BUUUUUUT since you're talking out of your ass, I'll just share this article from about a week ago:

http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-broke-former-alabama-senate-candidate-issues-plea-cash-829579

Apparently Roy Moore is begging for cash because he's being SUED by at least one woman who brought allegations against him.

4. The short version is that conservative lawmakers blocked a bill that would outlaw pedophilic marriages. They did this specifically because they want to use said pedophilic marriages as justification for challenging gay marriage, essentially creating the very slippery slope argument they swore would come to pass.

5. I will repeat: you don't give a SHIT about pedophilia, hence how quickly you leap to Roy Moore's defense as the victim of false accusations, or how you can't even post an article about a sex trafficking ring without minimizing the pedophilia and instead blaming globalism for everything.

6. You claimed that gun-free zones lead to more mass shootings. I pointed out that a mass shooter doesn't care if other people have guns, because they're more than likely not going on their little rampage with the intent to survive. I then pointed out that Cruz ignored an armed officer, thus showing that having guns around doesn't deter a mass shooter. You instead focused on the latter half of the statement because you couldn't refute that first part. Good show.

7. Honestly? We've tried doing nothing about gun violence for a long time. EVERY other civilized society that has banned guns has DRAMATICALLY reduced their crime rate. So yeah. Maybe we SHOULD ban guns, since that whole "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" argument only works if humans achieve perfection...otherwise you have people who are too afraid to confront a gunman, or people firing wildly and hitting innocents.
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The idea behind blocking the underage marriage laws is that a group of Republicans are arguing that legalizing gay marriage would nullify all existing marriage licenses in the state. If they allow the new law through and it doesn't nullify all previous marriages, then it means their legal argument against gay marriage is complete bunk. They've decided removing gay marriage is a higher priority than preventing underage marriage.
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Vlado posted...

I don't deny anything.

So #145 is not a denial of what you said about that Nintendo character and whether or not she should be slightly censored. If not a denial, it was a "uhhh, ummm, I don't remember that >_>"
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Blaziken posted...

1. I'm sure the other 5,999,995 illegal votes you claim exist will get caught ANY day now. You know, for such a widespread act of criminal activity, threatening the legitimacy of Donald Trump's presidency, you'd think he'd...you know...DO SOMETHING about it, rather than just talk a big game and allow his idiot supporters to believe what they already wanted to hear.

A Voter ID law is all that it would take to change results dramatically...

Blaziken posted...

2. You made a big deal about how Nintendo was caving to SJW pressure by choosing to censor the bikini costume of a 13-year-old character when they localized Xenoblade Chronicles for American audiences.

No, I didn't.

Blaziken posted...

http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-broke-former-alabama-senate-candidate-issues-plea-cash-829579

I'm sure you're happy you've ruined a good man's life. As you can see, nothing has been ruled by the courts, he just needs money to be able to defend himself at all. That's how globalist overwhelm good people - with money which they stole from us in the first place.

Blaziken posted...

minimizing the pedophilia and instead blaming globalism for everything

"Instead"? The two go hand in hand.

Blaziken posted...

6. You claimed that gun-free zones lead to more mass shootings. I pointed out that a mass shooter doesn't care if other people have guns, because they're more than likely not going on their little rampage with the intent to survive. I then pointed out that Cruz ignored an armed officer, thus showing that having guns around doesn't deter a mass shooter. You instead focused on the latter half of the statement because you couldn't refute that first part. Good show.

I refuted everything with ease, just like always. Gun-free zones are a clear invitation to shooters who know they will run unopposed there.

Blaziken posted...

EVERY other civilized society that has banned guns has DRAMATICALLY reduced their crime rate.

lmfao, way to show your extreme ignorance. The ONLY place where banning guns has "worked" is Japan - a HOMOGENOUS, HIGH-TRUST society. It's a recipe for disaster and has indeed been a disaster in any "multicultural", low-trust society it has been tried in. But don't take my word for it, here are the stats:

DeepsPraw posted...

Is this one any better?
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/07/tennessee-republicans-child-marriage-bill-gay-marriage-argument/404559002/

Admittedly, I don't remember what your stance on gay marriage is. If you're for it, I can see it being difficult formulating a response to this article that is both pro-GOP and anti-pedophilia.

It would be super easy to just fall in with the Republican line, but instead you're admitting you have trouble understanding articles, which is never a good position to have in an argument

That's the same article almost word for word. -_- The first source was citing the second one. It fails to establish WHY killing the bill would help the case against gay marriage. That's not a problem on my end, it's a problem on the article's end.

Anyway, apparently they reversed the decision in the meantime: https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/08/republicans-reverse-decision-bring-back-bill-ban-child-marriages-debate/408765002/

How should it work on principle? Marriage should not be allowed with people under the age of consent, whatever it is for the state in question. Easy. However, if it must be put off until later in order to achieve important results, such as returning the right of states to decide whether to allow gay marriage or not, so be it. Results are more important than principles.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

>muh hillary won the popular vote

She did. Every time these groups come out saying "WE'VE FOUND THOUSANDS OF EXAMPLES OF VOTER FRAUD" they come back and the number is hilariously small.

They keep trying to match voting records to driver's license ignoring the whole "not everyone who votes has a driver's license" and get repeatedly shown that any voter fraud is barely in the hundreds. And Hillary won by 3 million votes.

You've yet to provide any meaningful evidence that 3 million illegal votes were cast, but keep thinking that.

Pretty clear that in states like Commiefornia no checking was done at all to verify voters. That's what brought the numbers up so much. Fortunately, there's the electoral college that usually prevents that from reversing the real result.

But a Voter ID law is a MUST, and there is no real argument against it. Any excuse you make up in practice means you want voter fraud to continue.

Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado, refresh my memory. Whats your stance on lolicon?

It's disgusting.
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Vlado posted...

If not for globalism, all those children's lives would not have been destroyed.

This cannot be repeated enough. Liberals have absolutely no answer to this.

Also,

THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/973360355790479361

Also, a nice illustration of the difference between today's average conservative (left) and liberal (right).

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Vlado posted...

But a Voter ID law is a MUST, and there is no real argument against it.

There's several against it, including undue burden on the poor.

Vlado posted...

This cannot be repeated enough. Liberals have absolutely no answer to this.

And without guns you wouldn't have thousands of people killed in America every year, what's your point?
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Also I am incredibly shocked that the committee led by Republicans that didn't interview anyone who's been indicted by the Special Prosecutor are wrapping up their investigation.
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TheRock1525 posted...

undue burden on the poor

Joke of an excuse, as costs are negligible. And how is it undue? Virtually every other civilised country requires ID to vote.

TheRock1525 posted...

Also I am incredibly shocked that the committee led by Republicans that didn't interview anyone who's been indicted by the Special Prosecutor are wrapping up their investigation.

The explanation is simpler: You can't prove an excuse made up by the clinton campaign on November 9th.

TheRock1525 posted...

And without guns you wouldn't have thousands of people killed in America every year

Yes, you would. Criminals will acquire guns anyway.

I like how you skipped addressing the HOMOGENOUS, HIGH-TRUST society aspect making gun control not be harmful to Japan.

Meanwhile, Trump making important changes:

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA, will become our new Secretary of State. He will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Rex Tillerson for his service! Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen. Congratulations to all!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/973540316656623616

Hard to be excited for Pompeo, and I have no idea who that woman is, but Tillerson proved he couldn't work well with Trump by yapping things Trump did not agree with on several occasions. It's a shame because I had high hopes for the guy initially.
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Vlado posted...

A Voter ID law is all that it would take to change results dramatically...

If the costs are negligible, then surely you agree that voter ID laws should be designed in such a way that the government pays for and provides voter IDs to ALL its citizenry? Because liberals would have no problem with THAT. Their problem is that current voter ID laws either force poor people (moreso of non-white ethnicity) to pay more money in order to obtain one that they wouldn't use for any other purpose, or individual states can select WHICH forms of ID are acceptable, and choose the ones less likely to be held by democratic voters. As a liberal, I would LOVE a national voter ID law, because it would completely shoot to shit the whole "illegals are voting, voter fraud!" argument. But, the government needs to provide each and every citizen with an ID, rather than picking and choosing based on how to best manipulate the vote.

Hm, maybe. The principled position is that any meddling in the developer's work is bad. But if it was required for the ESRB rating, whatever.

It wasn't. Nintendo made the choice of their own accord. Which is exactly why you bitched and moaned about desexualizing a 13-year-old girl.

I'm sure you're happy you've ruined a good man's life. As you can see, nothing has been ruled by the courts, he just needs money to be able to defend himself at all. That's how globalists overwhelm good people - with money which they stole from us in the first place.

I haven't ruined ANYONE'S life. I'M not the one who molested underaged girls and needed to be banned from a mall for harassing underaged girls, like Roy Moore is. You said that the charges were a lie because they stopped being talked about after the election. I pointed out that he's still being sued by his victims for what he did. And you're right back to defending a pedophile, because you defend pedophilia.

"Instead"? The two go hand in hand.

Well, I mean, you're a foreigner on an American message board defending pedophilia, so I guess in THAT sense, they go hand in hand.

I refuted everything with ease, just like always. Gun-free zones are a clear invitation to shooters who know they will run unopposed there.

It wasn't a gun-free zone, there was a gun, and the shooter showed up and murdered 17 people anyway. Funny how that works out.

lmfao, way to show your extreme ignorance. The ONLY place where banning guns has "worked" is Japan - a HOMOGENOUS, HIGH-TRUST society. It's a recipe for disaster and has indeed been a disaster in any "multicultural", low-trust society it has been tried in. But don't take my word for it, here are the stats:

Australia. Way to say "here are the stats:" and not actually post anything, by the way.

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Oh oops. Here are the gun control stats:

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I really shouldn't bother, because anyone posting that image as proof obviously doesn't care about logic or critical thought, but I can't let this one slide.

1. Maybe it's cited somewhere else, but given that you decided to post an imgur link, rather than a link to the source material, all I have to go on is that image. And based on that image, the blue bars are not "GUN homicide rate" but rather "INTENTIONAL homicide rate" which could mean anything, and ultimately means nothing to the context of this conversation.

2. The selection of countries is very off. The United States has the 31st-highest rate of gun-related deaths in the world: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries Recall that the world consists of over 200 countries, and the U.S. is 31st in gun deaths. Meanwhile, how convenient that the image you linked to has 25 names to the right of the U.S., none of which would be considered "developed" countries. Hell, Australia is the country most commonly cited as having actively banned guns, and it's not even listed on that graph. It's extremely misleading in the data it's trying to show.
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Yes, intentional homicide rate. That is, after all, the subject of discussion. Or do you want to count someone killing a criminal in self-defence as a bad thing? lmao
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I'm just gonna ask you this, Vlado. Thoughts on Richard B. Spencer and Mike Enoch?
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Not familiar enough with them to really comment, but given the amount of exposure Spencer gets, it's likely he is controlled opposition. The globalist-controlled media would never give someone genuine so much attention, they would try to reduce his platform as much as possible.

That said, maybe they didn't think this plan through. It's evident the resistence to globalism keeps growing, so whatever they wanted to achieve by waving around Spencer as evil nazi bogeyman or whatever and trying to associate a stigma with anti-globalism has apparently backfired.
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Vlado posted...

Yes, intentional homicide rate. That is, after all, the subject of discussion. Or do you want to count someone killing a criminal in self-defence as a bad thing? lmao

Is it specifically homicides WITH GUNS? You have to admit that the graphic itself is shitty. Basic graph-making says there should be a title on the graph, the blue bar should say "Intentional GUN Homicide Rate", and something seems wrong about having two bars, one of which represents a solid number (#/100,000), and the other represents a percentage. Again, why not post the original source if you trust the graph?
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Percent means per 100. It's just to keep the gun ownership bars visible for those with really low numbers.

Here are the wikipedia sources themselves if you are wondering about anything:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
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Vlado posted...

However, if it must be put off until later in order to achieve important results, such as returning the right of states to decide whether to allow gay marriage or not, so be it.

Why should that be a right left up to states? Its discrimination based on sexual orientation.
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Vlado posted...

Percent means per 100. It's just to keep the gun ownership bars visible for those with really low numbers.

Here are the wikipedia sources themselves if you are wondering about anything:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

That first link lists the U.S. as 4.88/100,000 for intentional homicides. Yet as far as GUN homicides go, most sources list the U.S. as 3.15/100,000. Again, this is why that particular graph is less-than-trustworthy, because it doesn't specify which number it's using.
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I GET that, Ulti. I'm saying that the way it's phrased, in addition to the disparity in figures between the 3.15 rate for gun homicides and the 4.88 rate for overall homicides, it feels like those numbers don't reflect GUN homicides, but rather homicides involving guns, knives, poison, vehicles, blunt instruments, strangulation, etc. Even if that's not the case, it's an extremely sloppy graph because it doesn't adequately clarify. Plus there is the other issue of sample (specifically highlighting 25 of the 30 nations with worse stats than the U.S. to make the U.S. appear reasonable by comparison, rather than showing the full spectrum, where the U.S. is towards the bottom of the list.) Overall, it's an shoddy imgur link that is yet another example of Vlado lazily posting inaccurate information as fact.
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Vlado posted...

The explanation is simpler: You can't prove an excuse made up by the clinton campaign on November 9th

lmaoooooooo
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Vlado posted...

But a Voter ID law is a MUST, and there is no real argument against it. Any excuse you make up in practice means you want voter fraud to continue.

I'll accept voter ID laws when you can get a free government ID without having to go to an office that's only open 9-5 on weekdays. Until then it's purely a voter suppression tactic.
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Vlado posted...

Yes, you would. Criminals will acquire guns anyway.

And criminals will still molest children, so I guess we can't ban globalism or guns it seems.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Why should that be a right left up to states? Its discrimination based on sexual orientation.

lmfao

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Vlado posted...

The explanation is simpler: You can't prove an excuse made up by the clinton campaign on November 9th

lmaoooooooo

That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasnt entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.

https://archive.fo/K14Oa

paperwarior posted...

I'll accept voter ID laws when you can get a free government ID without having to go to an office that's only open 9-5 on weekdays. Until then it's purely a voter suppression tactic.

So you want voter fraud to continue, got it. Again, even here in Bulgaria it costs a little money and some of your time to get an ID. You're not some fourth world dictatorship to expect the government to do it for free and at a most convenient time for you.

Illegals are voting! People, including illegals, are voting twice or more! This is a FAR bigger problem than people being required to dedicate (ONCE) half an hour of their time and 20 dollars to get an ID. It's a total joke how messed up your priorities are that you defend this.

Anyway, something nice to end the day with. A wonderful declaration showing that Western civilisation will resist the neo-bolsheviks.
http://thegenderandsexconference.org/madrids-declaration/
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So you have no counterarguments and no understanding of how life in the U.S. actually works. Great, thanks.
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It's not a half hour of time, and it's not $20. Nice try though.
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Seriously, if people REALLY cared about "illegals" voting, then why is there NO proposal for universal voter ID cards. Why do the voter ID requirements need to be left up to people to benefit from suppressing votes of the opposition party? Just have a national ID card produced and distributed for free. Then you can curb illegal voters while not deliberately fucking over LEGAL voters who can't otherwise obtain an ID.
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Blaziken posted...

Seriously, if people REALLY cared about "illegals" voting, then why is there NO proposal for universal voter ID cards.

For the same reason the "pro-life" crowd refuses to adopt any policy that would improve quality of life for anyone who has already been born.
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Vlado posted...

lmfao

Please elaborate.
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Blaziken posted...

Seriously, if people REALLY cared about "illegals" voting, then why is there NO proposal for universal voter ID cards. Why do the voter ID requirements need to be left up to people to benefit from suppressing votes of the opposition party? Just have a national ID card produced and distributed for free. Then you can curb illegal voters while not deliberately fucking over LEGAL voters who can't otherwise obtain an ID.

It's weird, you never see calls to make voting mandatory from them either.
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https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/973674257430478848?s=21

.@POTUS: "My new national strategy for space recognizes that space is a war-fighting domain, just like the land, air and sea. We may even have a 'Space Force.'"

Pacifism in action!
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SPACE FORCE 2018!

Sounds like something that would have been cooked up as 2 season 52 episode epic spanning 1987-89.
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The Air Force already has a Space Command.

Good job, Commander in Chief.
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The old joke goes like this (tweaked a little):

In European Heaven

Cooks: French
Bankers: Swiss
Lovers: Italian
Mechanics: German
Police: English

In European Hell

Cooks: English
Bankers: Italian
Lovers: Swiss
Mechanics: French
Police: German
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Yes, you would. Criminals will acquire guns anyway.

And criminals will still molest children, so I guess we can't ban globalism or guns it seems.

^vlado, respond to this.
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Vlado posted...

Espeon posted...

you supported Roy Moore

The allegations against whom strangely quieted down completely once the election was over. Gee, I wonder why.

Since you brought up the idea of a scandal being fake if it's not shouted from the rooftops after an election, I'm just gonna leave this link right here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/family-slain-dnc-staffer-sues-fox-news-retracted/story?id=53725795

Since I know you're having difficulty reading and understanding news articles that don't just repeat talking points you've had drilled into your head, I'll summarize:

The Seth Rich story that you STILL haven't apologized for propagating? Well, it was total bullshit and has been debunked by the very "news" organization that first touted it. And now, the family of the murdered human being that was turned into a political prop by Fox News and the Republican party, is suing Fox News for the emotional distress inflicted upon them by having their son turned into a political prop by people who didn't give two shits about him as a human being.

Still waiting for your personal apology for treating a human being as a prop, Vlado. But I won't hold my breath.
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Blaziken posted...

Seriously, if people REALLY cared about "illegals" voting, then why is there NO proposal for universal voter ID cards. Why do the voter ID requirements need to be left up to people to benefit from suppressing votes of the opposition party? Just have a national ID card produced and distributed for free. Then you can curb illegal voters while not deliberately fucking over LEGAL voters who can't otherwise obtain an ID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Have a read. Even Afghanistan has a national ID card.

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/973674257430478848?s=21

.@POTUS: "My new national strategy for space recognizes that space is a war-fighting domain, just like the land, air and sea. We may even have a 'Space Force.'"

Pacifism in action!

Nobody said Trump was a pacifist. -_- That sounds pretty cool, though. Space marines! lol

Meanwhile, a year and a half later, clinton keep coming up with excuses for Trump routing her. This time, it's the evil white men oppressing their wives and mothers:
https://www.rt.com/usa/421180-clinton-white-women-husbands/
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Vlado posted...

Have a read. Even Afghanistan has a national ID card.

And your position is that the US should be more like Afghanistan...?

Edit: Actually Afghanistan (and Bulgaria) are on the compulsory list so I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here considering that's what Inviso was like... talking about in the first place...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Have a read. Even Afghanistan has a national ID card.

and Iran! And North Korea!

if those bad places do it then maybe it's bad
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*facepalm*
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Some good news for South Africans facing political and physical danger in their country. Australia is offering help:
https://archive.fo/GaRdE
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Blaziken posted...

Vlado posted...

Espeon posted...

you supported Roy Moore

The allegations against whom strangely quieted down completely once the election was over. Gee, I wonder why.

Still waiting for your personal apology for treating a human being as a prop, Vlado. But I won't hold my breath.

You still an underwear model?

Nope! And I apologized for lying, too. Sounds like something Vlado should try.

Vlado posted...

Blaziken posted...

Seriously, if people REALLY cared about "illegals" voting, then why is there NO proposal for universal voter ID cards. Why do the voter ID requirements need to be left up to people to benefit from suppressing votes of the opposition party? Just have a national ID card produced and distributed for free. Then you can curb illegal voters while not deliberately fucking over LEGAL voters who can't otherwise obtain an ID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Have a read. Even Afghanistan has a national ID card.

So you agree with me then? That the U.S. should have a national ID card in order to vote, and not force people to endure financial hardships as a result of individual states having different rules regarding voting rights/IDs?
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Whatever helps stop voter fraud. National ID cards still cost a little bit money and time, you know. They aren't "free." States each having their own ID cards is also okay. It's the results that matter, not the methods.
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Vlado posted...

Nobody said Trump was a pacifist

Why isnt he one if thats what rational humans want?
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Vlado posted...

Whatever helps stop voter fraud. National ID cards still cost a little bit money and time, you know. They aren't "free." States each having their own ID cards is also okay. It's the results that matter, not the methods.

Thats true. National ID cards WOULD cost time and money. But if it your goal is merely to stop ILLEGAL votes, shouldnt the financial burden be on the government and not the individual voters trying to vote LEGALLY?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Vlado posted...

Nobody said Trump was a pacifist

Why isnt he one if thats what rational humans want?

Ask him.

Espeon posted...

Vlado posted...

Whatever helps stop voter fraud. National ID cards still cost a little bit money and time, you know. They aren't "free." States each having their own ID cards is also okay. It's the results that matter, not the methods.

Thats true. National ID cards WOULD cost time and money. But if it your goal is merely to stop ILLEGAL votes, shouldnt the financial burden be on the government and not the individual voters trying to vote LEGALLY?

Such an initiative carries no burden whatsoever except for illegals who will no longer be able to vote. Spending a small amount of time and money so that your country can function more adequately is in no shape or form "burden."
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