Board 8 > Conservative politics topic 3: Victory in Italy!

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Vlado posted...

Spending a small amount of time and money so that your country can function more adequately is in no shape or form "burden."

Lol
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Compare it to the taxes you pay... It's a joke of an argument. Try to come up with a better excuse for defending voter fraud. Why not just say "I defend voter fraud because illegals vote for the party I support" instead of beating around the bush?
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Why not just say "I don't think extremely poor people should be able to vote" instead of beating around the bush?
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Yeah because there are totally no poor people in all the countries which require ID to vote... What a joke!

Glad to see you confirm what I said.
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Vlado, I'm not sure if you realize this, but in the United States we view voting as a right. Not a privilege.
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Not for illegal aliens.
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Vlado posted...

Ask him.

I cant, so Im asking you, the closest to him intellectually on B8
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And surely providing U.S. citizens with IDs would prevent illegal aliens from voting while simultaneously NOT preventing legal citizens from voting.
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Vlado, voting is a right. You can't deny people right's based on their income levels. If you require a national voter ID to vote, you have to provide that to the people free of cost. You can't put it behind a paywall. That's like saying you're only allowed to prosecute people who committed crimes against you if you're willing to pay the prosecutor to do it.
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Vlado posted...

Yeah because there are totally no poor people in all the countries which require ID to vote... What a joke!

And those people struggle to vote!

Only 58% of eligible voters turned out for their 2014 elections, and they considered that high!
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.
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Vlado posted...

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic.

America literally built an entire infrastructure plan around "free." Roads are free, schools are free, police are free.

Why would a voter ID be any different?
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Vlado posted...

You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.

You keep acting like its not a big deal to get an ID, so if its that cheap, why is making them free and putting the burden on the government (via taxes theyre already taking anyway) like pulling teeth with you? If you genuinely care about illegal voters, then providing all legal citizens with ID both prevents illegal voting AND allows all legal residents the right to vote, unhindered. Why do standoffish about this subject? Free ID would literally address the concerns of both sides.
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Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)
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Vlado posted...

Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)

So you don't actually give a shit about the will of the people and just want your own side to win. It's impressive that a Bulgarian can embody the absolute worst of the American right so unerringly.
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Vlado posted...

Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)

This is an easy compromise then. Heres hoping Republicans make it a law, since cracking down on illegal voting is the only reason they care about voter ID, right?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Vlado posted...

Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)

So you don't actually give a shit about the will of the people and just want your own side to win. It's impressive that a Bulgarian can embody the absolute worst of the American right so unerringly.

Hes claiming illegal immigrants vote en masse for Democrats. While hes full of shit in that assertion, both sides SHOULD want illegal votes to be discounted, and this isnt a post worth getting outright upset over.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Vlado posted...

Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)

So you don't actually give a shit about the will of the people and just want your own side to win. It's impressive that a Bulgarian can embody the absolute worst of the American right so unerringly.

I'm stating facts. Eliminating voter fraud would see democrat numbers in elections dwindle. Problem?

Espeon posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Vlado posted...

Even if they're free, democrat voter numbers go down significantly. That's what matters. :)

So you don't actually give a shit about the will of the people and just want your own side to win. It's impressive that a Bulgarian can embody the absolute worst of the American right so unerringly.

Hes claiming illegal immigrants vote en masse for Democrats. While hes full of shit in that assertion, both sides SHOULD want illegal votes to be discounted, and this isnt a post worth getting outright upset over.

And instead one side campaigns against it, and the other side does nothing about it even when it is supposedly in power. Almost as if they're serving the same masters and it's all circus for the masses.
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Vlado posted...

You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.

Literally "everyone who disagrees with me is a communist." Your meme has turned on you.
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Neither side campaigns against preventing illegal votes. Its just that one side wants to block LEGAL votes (and theyve outright admitted this), and the other side wants all legal citizens to be free to vote if they so choose.

The reason conservatives dont try our common sense solution (providing free government IDs to all legal citizens), is obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills. By picking and choosing which IDs are acceptable and limiting the accessibility of those acceptable IDs, they can prevent more than JUST illegal immigrants from being able to vote.

Hell, even the base logic is asinine if you look at all the pieces as a whole. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. Trump claims that there were three million illegal votes cast (later changed to six million). Im order for either 3 OR 6 million votes to be illegal, you have to believe that democrats were able to pull off a highly complicated voter fraud scam involving millions of people (in which it took a year and a half just to catch FIVE PEOPLE)...but you also have to believe that theyd be dumb enough to stack all of those votes in a solidly blue state like California, rather than any of the MANY swing states Hillary lost (or states with contentious senate races).

The more logical explanation is that you make up voter fraud claims in order to deny your unpopularity, while also providing a faceless enemy to blame whenever the need arises. This allows the enactment of laws that directly hurt people who legally voted against you, as an added bonus.
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lol imagine vlado being willing to believe a logical explanation.
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Vlado posted...

Almost as if they're serving the same masters and it's all circus for the masses.

Care to name these masters?
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(((masters)))
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

lol imagine vlado being willing to believe a logical explanation.

Vluldo's razor
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Yes, having an excuse when you lose also goes. More as a bonus, though. The main reason is the one I stated above.
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Vlado posted...

Yes, having an excuse when you lose also goes. More as a bonus, though. The main reason is the one I stated above.

Im sure you didnt mean it like this, but you DO realize that Republicans made up the whole three, WAIT I MEAN SIX, six million illegals voted thing as an excuse for why THEY lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, right? So yes, I agree that eliminating that excuse is another good reason to have free, government-issued, universal voter ID.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado posted...

You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.

Literally "everyone who disagrees with me is a communist." Your meme has turned on you.

god i miss the old, communist vlado
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Kenri posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado posted...

You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.

Literally "everyone who disagrees with me is a communist." Your meme has turned on you.

god i miss the old, communist vlado

Wait what? There is a higher evolution form of Socialist/Communist? What generation was it added in? It must be one of those weird evolutions where the type(s) change(s). I guess I'll be saving up more Socialist candies now for when that gen drops.
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Kenri posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado posted...

You're completely out of touch with reality. Low voter turnout is not because people don't have IDs, it's because they don't care enough to vote.

I'd say whatever, make it "free" then. But that's not realistic. Of course, communists are not people who particularly care about reality, so, as usual, I don't know why I bother.

Literally "everyone who disagrees with me is a communist." Your meme has turned on you.

god i miss the old, communist vlado

Was this a Vlado you fought for, with, or against?
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Hardcore_Adult posted...

Was this a Vlado you fought for, with, or against?

Yes.

You could call him... a comrade.

(Actually all Vlado did back then was whine about Nintendo so the communism was pretty incidental to any interactions with him, weirdly enough.)
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Nintendo were probably the least evil thing on the planet in 2005.
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Espeon posted...

Vlado posted...

Yes, having an excuse when you lose also goes. More as a bonus, though. The main reason is the one I stated above.

Im sure you didnt mean it like this, but you DO realize that Republicans made up the whole three, WAIT I MEAN SIX, six million illegals voted thing as an excuse for why THEY lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, right? So yes, I agree that eliminating that excuse is another good reason to have free, government-issued, universal voter ID.

That's like saying football teams need an excuse when they lose on the ball possession stat, but win the match 3:0. lmfao, no, they don't.
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Vlado posted...

That's like saying football teams need an excuse when they lose on the ball possession stat, but win tha match 3:0. lmfao, no, they don't.

And yet they made it anyway.

It wasn't enough to win undemocratically, apparently. Wonder why.
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They didn't make an excuse. They pointed out a fact that illegals voted en masse. Of course, the exact number is speculation. Might've been 3 million or more, might've been less. Whatever. Doesn't change the election result anyway. But it's something that needs to be stopped.
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Vlado posted...

They didn't make an excuse. They pointed out a fact that illegals voted en masse. Of course, the exact number is speculation. Might've been 3 million or more, might've been less. Whatever. Doesn't change the election result anyway. But it's something that needs to be stopped.

Thats not what a fact is. The article Ulti posted is the first time in a year and a half that any evidence of illegal voting has been found, despite the administration adamantly stating illegal voting occurred, and it was only FIVE PEOPLE. I genuinely want to know how you can believe the DNC had a random staffer murdered, they were sloppy enough in doing so to get caught by random conspiracy theorists on Reddit, yet theyve been able to hide ALL actual proof of this massive illegal voting scheme from people doggedly trying to prove it exists.

The more obvious explanation is that its all made up bullshit (an excuse) by a massively unpopular ideology to justify themselves as the good guys, rather than oppressive villains.
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Vlado posted...

Espeon posted...

Vlado posted...

Yes, having an excuse when you lose also goes. More as a bonus, though. The main reason is the one I stated above.

I?m sure you didn?t mean it like this, but you DO realize that Republicans made up the whole ?three, WAIT I MEAN SIX, six million illegals voted? thing as an excuse for why THEY lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, right? So yes, I agree that eliminating that excuse is another good reason to have free, government-issued, universal voter ID.

That's like saying football teams need an excuse when they lose on the ball possession stat, but win the match 3:0. lmfao, no, they don't.

What the actual fuck is this post?
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Soviet drop-outs don't need to worry about improving their performance because they know they won't ever amount to anything substantial on the world stage anyway.
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Well Trump is finally sanctioning Russia
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Jakyl25 posted...

Well Trump is finally sanctioning Russia

@Vlado
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Vanessa is divorcing Don Jr.

Sad but you could tell she wasn't the most supportive/enthusiastic daughter-in-law either.

Then you had that white powder scare a while ago ... welp they seem donezo.

https://pagesix.com/2018/03/15/vanessa-trump-files-for-divorce-from-donald-trump-jr/
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https://pagesix.com/2018/03/14/donald-trump-jr-and-wife-headed-for-divorce-friends-say/

She looked so happy in her wedding pictures but looks really gloomy in most pics these days.
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Another person who is worse off under Trump
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So Vlado, what's the explanation for a district that went +20 for Trump electing a Democrat this week? The Republican candidate didn't even molest a 14 year old!
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Im concerned that Vlado may have been sent a suitcase with some sort of nerve gas inside for failing Russia so badly
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TheRock1525 posted...

So Vlado, what's the explanation for a district that went +20 for Trump electing a Democrat this week? The Republican candidate didn't even molest a 14 year old!

Why don't you ask yourself why none of your buddies brought this up in the last few days? The democrat candidate campaigned as far to the right as possible, and the republican candidate was the least inspiring establishment candidate imaginable. The GOP establishment tried to lose, and barely managed to. The winner only has until November, so that election was a waste of time more than anything.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/conor-lamb-rick-saccone-run-november-congressional-districts/story?id=53782730

Jakyl25 posted...

Im concerned that Vlado may have been sent a suitcase with some sort of nerve gas inside for failing Russia so badly

The claim that Russia poisoned that spy is more ridiculous even than the election hacking nonsense. That's a feat.

Meanwhile, another CRIME of the Obama administration against the American people has been revealed:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-15/obama-doj-ordered-500000-fugitives-deleted-background-check-database
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Vlado posted...

The claim that Russia poisoned that spy is more ridiculous even than the election hacking nonsense. That's a feat.

Do you think the Globalists poisoned those people?
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I don't know who did it (there are two plausible versions - false flag to escalate tensions with Russia and the attack being private life-related), but it's clear Russia didn't because:
- the guy had just returned to the UK from Russia, why the hell would they poison him in the UK and not while he was still in Russia?
- why would they use this method of attack that attracted so much attention, instead of killing him covertly?
- why would they use a substance that's traceable back to Russia, when there are thousands of other substances they could use?

Meanwhile, US students continue to wake up. This is an irreversible process.

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Vlado posted...

I don't know who did it (there are two plausible versions - false flag to escalate tensions with Russia and the attack being private life-related), but it's clear Russia didn't because:
- the guy had just returned to the UK from Russia, why the hell would they poison him in the UK and not while he was still in Russia?
- why would they use this method of attack that attracted so much attention, instead of killing him covertly?
- why would they use a substance that's traceable back to Russia, when there are thousands of other substances they could use?

Meanwhile, US students continue to wake up. This is an irreversible process.

Is that students waking up? I would agree with that statement too, but I also wouldn't say it's bad that, for example, racists are afraid to say racist stuff they believe because people will be bothered by it.

Nothing in agreeing with the statement suggests that you think it's a bad thing.
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Let me spell it out for you: All censorship is bad. Any infringement on the right to free speech is bad.
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Vlado posted...

Let me spell it out for you: All censorship is bad. Any infringement on the right to free speech is bad.

Youve said before that things intended for children should be allowed to be censored
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