Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: No more need to pop the Block

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https://www.hearthpwn.com/news/5306-new-druid-legendary-card-reveal-duskfallen-avian

This card is going to win 90% of the games it's played in, and a third of those will be for the person who played it.
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I just saw Fal'dorei Strider for the first time. My opponent played it on turn 4, and then drew two of the 4/4 spiders on his next turn. >_>

Not Hearthstone related but apparently Reynad's upcoming game (working title is "The Bazaar") is very F2P friendly. Each individual game involves you drafting an entirely new deck from one of multiple classes. There is no card collection to collect. Monetization comes from cosmetics and the ability to buy new classes to draft from.

This is from his stream. The Kickstarter should be up this week!
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Camden posted...

https://www.hearthpwn.com/news/5306-new-druid-legendary-card-reveal-duskfallen-avian

This card is going to win 90% of the games it's played in, and a third of those will be for the person who played it.

Wow with this card a warlock player could cheat out a free voidlord on turn 6! Sounds like it could be game breaking.
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https://imgur.com/a/k7PeE

These cards look so much better than the ones we have in game. They spend so much time on the art and we don't even get to see most of it!
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tbh i'm not very fond of the Beyond style, I prefer to the simplicity of the way the cards look in game. Most card games make them look that way and they look too... busy. It cheapens them somehow.
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skullbone posted...

https://imgur.com/a/k7PeE

These cards look so much better than the ones we have in game. They spend so much time on the art and we don't even get to see most of it!

I honestly would love a text-less version that can be toggled off and on client-side.
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Really good Hunter removal spell. I don't think it makes Hunter any better against the top decks, but it's something.
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But...it can't go face! What is this garbage?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I just saw Fal'dorei Strider for the first time. My opponent played it on turn 4, and then drew two of the 4/4 spiders on his next turn. >_>

So skill based. You got outplayed. Get good scrub.

I actually won! It was clearly due to my superior intellect.

turbopuns2 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

I just saw Fal'dorei Strider for the first time. My opponent played it on turn 4, and then drew two of the 4/4 spiders on his next turn. >_>

So skill based. You got outplayed. Get good scrub.

I actually won! It was clearly due to my superior intellect.

Woah woah woah. Dont trigger him now. Just up there he was lying about Curious Glimmeroot and claimed to keep track of his games, but we never see his stats?
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Wing blast seems like a worse version of hunter's mark.

In order for it to cost 1 mana, you need to have already either A) run one of your minions into something, or B) played a different removal spell. Therefore you by definition already have means of dealing the 1 damage hunter's mark requires in order to become hard removal.

So what does the scenario look like where you'd rather have wing blast over hunter's mark?

I guess if you need to kill something that's protected by a taunt, and you don't have a second removal spell. Or if you just want to spend 4 mana for 4 damage on one card.

Kill an opponent's minion with your minion, kill a second one with wing blast?
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JeffreyRaze posted...

Kill an opponent's minion with your minion, kill a second one with wing blast?

Yeah, that's fair. It just feels too similar to me. In that situation, it still doesn't remove anything with more than 4 health. So it's got a slight edge over hunter's mark in the early turns. Maybe the idea is just that, to let hunter survive to late game better.

New Hunter secret:

If your opponent plays 3 cards in a turn, summon a 6/6 rat.
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It doesn't specify whose minion has to die. If you have a 1/1 and run it into something with 5 health, then you can Wing Blast and finish it off for 1-mana.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

It doesn't specify whose minion has to die. If you have a 1/1 and run it into something with 5 health, then you can Wing Blast and finish it off for 1-mana.

That's where it's basically an inferior Hunter's Mark though. Wing Blast is better against wide boards.
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It's functionally identical to Hunter's Mark in that scenario. It's not "worse" than Hunter's Mark, it's just way more flexible for a less powerful effect. You won't usually be trading into giants with it but it can allow you to trade more favorably at times or just hardcast it to kill something with 4 HP and not trade at all.
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Wing blast -.better for wide boards or small to mid range minions

Hunters mark - better for giant minions
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I understand what "wide board" means, but where is the direct correlation between the number of enemy minions and which spell is better?

Like, for example, if they have a board full of 8/8 minions, what makes wing blast still better than hunter's mark?

If your opponent has a full board of 8/8s hunter's mark probably won't save you. But it's not uncommon for an enemy to have at least two small to medium minions, which is where wing blast can beat the mark. Mark's still the better card against big minions, but that's mark's niche so that's not surprising.
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Just had an unexpectedly long animation. Playing against a Paladin that's clearly just dumping murlocs for the quest, my Evolve Shaman for the five Shaman wins quest is really struggling. I've got two Healing Rain in hand, and since I'm low I need to use them. So, I tossed out Evolve on my board and without glancing at the results played both Healing Rain. Turns out I got a Blackguard. 24 little missiles he had to fire individually. Took forever but it cleared his board.
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JeffreyRaze posted...

If your opponent has a full board of 8/8s hunter's mark probably won't save you. But it's not uncommon for an enemy to have at least two small to medium minions, which is where wing blast can beat the mark. Mark's still the better card against big minions, but that's mark's niche so that's not surprising.

Yeah I realize my example wasn't realistic, but I was just trying to make a point. That point being, I think it's just "wing blast is better for small to mid range minions", full stop. It's kind of misleading to say that wing blast is better against a wide board, because it only works better than hunter's mark against a wide board if the wide board is made up of small minions. And yeah, that is obviously more likely than a wide board of large minions on turn 4-5.

Camden posted...

Just had an unexpectedly long animation. Playing against a Paladin that's clearly just dumping murlocs for the quest, my Evolve Shaman for the five Shaman wins quest is really struggling. I've got two Healing Rain in hand, and since I'm low I need to use them. So, I tossed out Evolve on my board and without glancing at the results played both Healing Rain. Turns out I got a Blackguard. 24 little missiles he had to fire individually. Took forever but it cleared his board.

Yeah one time I evolved into a hallazeal and threw out a volcano as shaman, it was hilarious
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Why is this Wing Blast discussion so complicated? Wing Blast is for killing a second minion after you trade to kill the first.

Or you simply pay four. Late in the game, that might be perfectly fine. But in the early going when you're tossing out token minions and trying to win the board, Wing Blast is a perfectly fine option for removal.
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turbopuns2 posted...

JeffreyRaze posted...

If your opponent has a full board of 8/8s hunter's mark probably won't save you. But it's not uncommon for an enemy to have at least two small to medium minions, which is where wing blast can beat the mark. Mark's still the better card against big minions, but that's mark's niche so that's not surprising.

Yeah I realize my example wasn't realistic, but I was just trying to make a point. That point being, I think it's just "wing blast is better for small to mid range minions", full stop. It's kind of misleading to say that wing blast is better against a wide board, because it only works better than hunter's mark against a wide board if the wide board is made up of small minions. And yeah, that is obviously more likely than a wide board of large minions on turn 4-5.

That's just a given though. Ostensibly if you are deciding when a removal is good you are thinking about how well it does when your opponent invests in a wider board of smaller minions vs investing in a single big minion

If your opponent has done something to create a board of big minions quickly via Nzoth or guldan or something, or you have allowed him to build a wide board of big minions over time, these types of cards are just not your answer to begin with.
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azuarc posted...

Why is this Wing Blast discussion so complicated?

Every time I have a discussion on this board, it's interpreted as me being excessively pedantic or like, really upset over whatever it is.

I dunno, lol. I try to just state things in a straightforward way and communicate clearly.

I guess it's just me.

Maybe you should've had less minions out so Mind Control Tech wouldn't work
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should have played around it
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If you create enough chances for your opponent to win 20% of the time, you'll lose 100% of the time.
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Because nobody has ever played around MC tech.

How can someone actually legitimately be so delusional? Ive watched him play games and I pointed out his obvious misplays but still, he pushes the same bs.
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Man, that has to be up there with the best of his complaints. That is gold.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Man, that has to be up there with the best of his complaints. That is gold.

The one from post #151 has to be up there as well. As the months go on it feels like he's becoming a parody of himself.

Great stuff.
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The question is really, if ulti could have won or been in a position to win without having more than 3 minions. Like how far ahead was he at this point? It also matters like how many cards were in his opponents hand and how long he's been holding them etc. MCT is typically not a card I play around much by having 3 or less minions and the plan of like summoning a lot of minions and if he has like this one card AND that he gets a good result is better in most situations.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I thoroughly outplay spiteful priest

UltimaterializerX posted...

Because idiots think skill level is a factor in who wins.

:thinking_face:
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Crazy synergy with the new Rogue weapon and Witch's Cauldron.
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dear blizzard

stop revealing rush minions for hunter and just give us reach already

all of the control classes which dominate the meta can now summon 30+ health worth of taunts on top of healing and/or armor gain

rush minions do not do jack shit

we need a replacement for quick shot

we have been waiting for over a year
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So Im guessing Dire Frenzy works with Stitched Tracker

Get a bunch of Huffers or 4/4 boars

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I wonder how that interacts with Zombeasts.

Trying to think what recruit cards Hunter has available to it too

LiquidOshawott posted...

Get a bunch of Huffers or 4/4 boars

step 2: don't draw any cards because you're playing hunter
step 3: run them into a huge board of endless taunts one at a time as you topdeck them
step 4: concede
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I mean, you have tracking

I know people hate on the card but its actually pretty good, a 1 mana draw 3 discard 2 is great when most Hunter cards are situational
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Tracking is legit one of the best cards in the entire game. It's just a Hunter card, so its usefulness isn't totally realized.
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tracking doesn't help you when the burst cards you need to win do not exist
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