Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 4: The Happening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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also I know people rag on Adrian's 3-2 cameo but I kinda like it

she has a lot of nice things to say about Phoenix so maybe they could bring her back one of these days if this Iris thing doesn't work out
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oh I love Adrian's cameo in 3-2. It's cute to have a character come back in a different role like that just to kinda be there but also still have a meaningful purpose, which she does. Minor characters in AA don't really get development arcs like that very often. In fact, I'm not sure I can name another minor character who develops over the course of more than one case

Yeah, part of the reason I like Adrian in 3-2 is that it feels so good to see her happy and successful after all that happened to her in 2-4, and to see that she's managed to move past all of that now.

people don't like the fact that she's suddenly a klutz but I mean she did accidentally break the vase in 2-4 too so maybe just keep her away from vase-like objects in the future
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She's not suddenly a klutz at all, which is what's kind of great about it. She's a klutz in 2-4 too. It's kind of brilliant.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It actually wasn't sudden but people say it is.
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It's a pretty obvious thing that Adrian has her guard up in 2-4 and then we see her let her guard down in 3-2 and it's cool

She's actually like a real person instead of a joke

it's still weird to me that Ron and Desiree are the only happily married couple we meet in the series (at least as far as ones where both people are still alive)

this series is kinda merciless when it comes to families
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well it's a series where the conflict is driven by murder. i wouldn't mind a ton more lighthearted fare like 3-2 (the only murder victim is a complete asshole anyway).

if they were as "brief" as 3-2, that is.
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Well, you'd figure you'd at least have more married defendants or something. Pretty sure Ron is the only one.

actually I guess Dhurke is married too but I wouldn't exactly call it a happy marriage
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Larry: I used to have zero interest in all of this old, junky stuff...But, now that I'm a new person, well...I can kinda see the appeal. Hey! I got it! Why don't we all go visit one of those musty old temples next time?

this game man
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Larry: Even when you grow up, you gotta keep the part of your heart that's still pure.
Phoenix: I'm impressed that you can still think like that, Larry. After all, you went through some pretty tough times as a kid...
Larry: Huh? I did?

this is one of those little teases that'd be interesting if they had ever explored it

maybe in the next season of the anime
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Another fun little Adrian moment is if you present Pearl's profile to her, Maya will explain that she's training to become a spirit medium, and Adrian will call her a fellow career woman.

Anyway, 3-2 investigation day 2 complete! That's a fun day. I love all the intricacies of the mystery in this case. Also, there was a surprising amount of potential dialogue in an otherwise pretty short Larry segment. He reacts to a lot of the stuff you have and it results in some pretty interesting conversations. I used to think 3-2 was his worst appearance, but I might have to rethink that.
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3-2 is his most insignificant. E2-3 might be his worst? that could just be me. oh wait, E1-5.
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not a big fan of larry overall outside of AA1. i think E2-3 might have been my favorite larry case.

LeonhartFour posted...

Another fun little Adrian moment is if you present Pearl's profile to her, Maya will explain that she's training to become a spirit medium, and Adrian will call her a fellow career woman.

3-2 is the only case that lets you hang out with maya and pearl. it's excellent.
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I actually like Larry's appearance in E2-3. It feels like they dialed back his antagonism toward the player character a bit there. E1-5 is probably his worst, but I actually like how well Edgeworth plays off of him in general. I buy Edgeworth barely being able to tolerate him more than I buy it with Phoenix.

Speaking of Edgeworth, Maya has officially passed him for second place. I expect the Judge will pass him before the case is over, too.

Temporarily, of course.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

3-2 is the only case that lets you hang out with maya and pearl. it's excellent.

Pearl's actually absent for most of 3-2's second investigation day because she's getting the Sacred Urn examined, but she does show back up for that last segment where you finally solve the mystery of what happened to it.
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yeah, i remember pearl disappearing (did she also disappear on day 1 because she was upset about phoenix being attracted to desiree or something?) but no other case even comes close to this amount of both.
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Pearl disappears for a while during day 1 because she gets mad that Phoenix chooses to defend Ron over stealing the urn, only to show up again when you investigate Atmey's office at the end. She gets mad about the Desiree stuff during trial days. I'm pretty sure Pearl never meets her outside of court.
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ah, right!
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I think 2-2 has the most Maya and Pearl but Leonhart can verify that with data.

Pearl is.. she's just there as a complete Maya replacement, which is odd when Maya doesn't have some kind of tragedy striking her. her biggest roles, probably in order, are 2-2, 2-4, 3-5, 5-6, 5-5, 3-2, 2-3, 3-3? I think that says a lot.
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I'm actually having a bit of "oh man did I miss something" syndrome at the moment because I forgot to re-present stuff to Adrian after I broke her Psyche-Lock (and the dialogue choice after you break it is the end of the investigation day assuming you already clicked on the other dialogue choices) because sometimes characters will have different reactions to things after you break them, especially things relating to what caused the Psyche-Lock. That's how I ended up getting so much Larry dialogue.
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transience posted...

I think 2-2 has the most Maya and Pearl but Leonhart can verify that with data.

Well, there's a lot of Maya and Pearl in 2-2, but almost never the two of them together at the same time.

Is Pearl even in 3-3? I don't think she is.

Pearl has way more dialogue in 2-4 than 2-2 though. It's not even close.
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yeah, I guess so, since 2-4 is just so much meatier. a lot of 2-2 Pearl is just her presence as a witness vs. just being a partner which is where you get the meat from. though even with that, 2-4 Pearl is really just there as an emotional string for the Maya plot, and to induce Mia. I don't know how I feel about Pearl.
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Pearl's role in 2-2 is mostly to explain Psyche-Locks to you and to give you a couple of important pieces of evidence. She doesn't actually follow Phoenix around that much.

Pearl is there for the emotional investment more than anything else anyway, so I don't care how important she is or isn't in any given case. Phoenix and Maya talking about why Pearl is so obsessed with the idea of them being in love at the beginning of 3-2 is a really bittersweet conversation, for example.
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ack, that's right, she's in 6-5 instead of 3-3. I was trying to figure out what her eighth case was off the top of my head.
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yeah, that's why i love 3-2. it lets the two best feys just be themselves instead of subjecting them to the worst overplayed storylines.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

yeah, that's why i love 3-2. it lets the two best feys just be themselves instead of subjecting them to the worst overplayed storylines.

I think you mean 3-3 then

man I wish the series had used spirit channeling for mundane purposes more often
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3-3 is definitely the best Maya case
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(which is notable because it's also kinda the last one - I don't totally count 6-6)
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I mean there's zero reason not to count 6-6 other than not liking it
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Godot: ...You did it. Didn't you?
Ron: Yes.
...No no no no no!
Judge: Hmm...For a moment there, I thought we'd set the record for the shortest trial ever.

eat your heart out von Karma
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Is 6-6 the time travelling case

I feel like it's the most filler case in the entire series and the most unmemorable
I don't even remember the killer (was there even a killer what was that case about)
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why do people talk about "filler" with Ace Attorney like it's some sort of indictment

probably half of the cases could be categorized as "filler"
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6-6 is just such a different thing from the Maya of the OT. it's not a qualitative judgement.
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I mean, it's better than 2-3
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Phoenix: Mr. DeLite, please tell us why you were fired from your job.
Godot: The world is filled with those who have said, "I wish I had never asked that."
*skip ahead*
Phoenix: (I wish I had never asked that.)

Godot so good
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transience posted...

6-6 is just such a different thing from the Maya of the OT. it's not a qualitative judgement.

I don't think it's so different that it shouldn't count or something. The Phoenix/Maya dynamic hasn't changed that much, and the ways it did change in SoJ were usually good changes.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Phoenix: Mr. DeLite, please tell us why you were fired from your job.
Godot: The world is filled with those who have said, "I wish I had never asked that."
*skip ahead*
Phoenix: (I wish I had never asked that.)

Godot so good

this was so great!
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anyway I love the first Ron testimony on trial day 2 because Phoenix repeatedly interrupts him every time he tries to bring up Mask*DeMasque
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maya in aa6 makes me kind of sad.

everything about 3-2 makes me happy
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I thought Maya was oddly utilized in SoJ at times, but overall, she was pretty great. Investigating the office with Maya in 6-6 is one of the highlights of the entire game.

just like old times
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Godot: It looks like I've been forced to eat crow!
Maya: I wonder what blend number crow-flavored coffee is?

Maya so good
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I remember the game suckering me on the question of whether Atmey had an accomplice because I assumed he had to have had one since the picture was at the same time as the murder. I guess it hadn't occurred to me yet that the picture had a timestamp but not a date. I tried guessing several accomplices before I gave up on it.
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I like that you don't see Luke Atmey's real damage animation until trial day 2 because you aren't actually damaging him at all on the first one.

Also I came to a weird realization with the Ami Fey statue and the pink paint stains. Why didn't Adrian move the statue back after the crime to cover up the paint again if she was so embarrassed about it? Because she knows better than anyone not to move stuff around at a crime scene, of course.

also that statue opens up the possibility that Adrian has met Bikini and Iris before which is also kinda cool
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it's very rare for the Judge to be the one to ask the enlightening question that gives you the hint you need to find the contradiction but he does it here when he mentions that the blackmail letter doesn't have an addressee on it
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Phoenix: The problem is this jewel's color.
Godot: Color...? I'm not much for discussing color myself.

yes I'm sure you aren't
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oh man this final testimony coupled with the Allegro music

it's just the best

gotta sit here for a minute and just let the music play

anyway I'm almost done with 3-2 so final numbers will follow shortly
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Total lines by segment:

2-4 Trial Day 2 - 1613
2-4 Investigation Day 1 - 1595
2-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1432
3-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1358
1-5 Trial Day 3 - 1338
2-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1331
2-4 Trial Day 1 - 1306
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
3-2 Investigation Day 2 - 1127
E1-4 Middle - 1030
1-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1004
E1-4 End - 979
3-2 Trial Day 2 - 966
1-5 Trial Day 1 - 938
1-5 Investigation Day 3 - 932
E1-4 Beginning - 926
2-2 Investigation Day 1 - 924
2-3 Investigation Day 2 - 900
2-1 - 899
1-5 Investigation Day 1 - 874
2-3 Trial Day 1 - 851
1-5 Trial Day 2 - 827
2-2 Investigation Day 2 - 808
2-3 Trial Day 2 - 802
2-2 Trial Day 2 - 764
1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729
1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700
3-2 Trial Day 1 - 700
1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661
1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626
2-2 Trial Day 1 - 623
1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524
1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519
1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517
1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478
1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455
1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447
1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414
1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403
1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402
1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400
1-1 - 389
1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380
1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-2 - 4151
2-3 - 3884
1-4 - 3466
2-2 - 3119
E1-4 - 2935
1-3 - 2741
1-2 - 1773
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
2-2 - 899
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

PW1 - 14282
JFA - 13848
T&T - 6544
AAI1 - 2935

Total lines by character per case:

The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)

1. Phoenix Wright - 1433 (34.52%)
2. Maya Fey - 881 (21.22%)
3. The Judge - 293 (7.06%)
4. Luke Atmey - 292 (7.03%)
5. Ron DeLite - 266 (6.41%)
6. Godot - 227 (5.47%)
7. Larry Butz - 163 (3.93%)
8. Dick Gumshoe - 147 (3.54%)
9. Pearl Fey - 146 (3.52%)
10. Desiree DeLite - 137 (3.30%)
11. Adrian Andrews - 126 (3.04%)
12. Mia Fey - 25
13. Other - 9
14. Winston Payne - 3
15. The Judge's Brother - 3

Total lines by character per game:

Trials & Tribulations

1. Phoenix Wright - 1592
2. Maya Fey - 881
3. Mia Fey - 857
4. The Judge - 532
5. Godot - 339
6. Luke Atmey - 292
7. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
8. Ron DeLite - 266
9. The Judge's Brother - 224
10. Dick Gumshoe - 205
11. Winston Payne - 168
12. Miles Edgeworth - 164
13. Larry Butz - 163
14. Pearl Fey - 146
15. Desiree DeLite - 137
16. Adrian Andrews - 126
17. Marvin Grossberg - 79
18. Terry Fawles - 74
19. Other - 9
20. Doug Swallow - 5
21. Valerie Hawthorne - 3

Most lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92%
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75%
Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90%
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59%
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 34.52%
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 31.82%
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Testimonies by character:

1. Dick Gumshoe - 88 lines/16 testimonies
2. Dahlia Hawthorne - 48 lines/8 testimonies
3. Wendy Oldbag - 45 lines/8 testimonies
4. Luke Atmey - 38 lines/6 testimonies
5. Adrian Andrews - 34 lines/6 testimonies
6. Lotta Hart - 31 lines/6 testimonies
7. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 34 lines/5 testimonies
8. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
9. Redd White - 29 lines/4 testimonies
10. Angel Starr - 24 lines/4 testimonies
11. Ini Miney - 24 lines/4 testimonies
12. Shelly de Killer - 22 lines/4 testimonies
13. Cody Hackins - 21 lines/3 testimonies
14. Damon Gant - 20 lines/3 testimonies
15. Frank Sahwit - 20 lines/3 testimonies
16. Lana Skye - 19 lines/3 testimonies
17. Jake Marshall - 18 lines/3 testimonies
18. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
19. Ron DeLite - 17 lines/3 testimonies
20. Trilo Quist - 17 lines/3 testimonies
21. Will Powers - 17 lines/3 testimonies
22. Ema Skye - 15 lines/3 testimonies
23. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 15 lines/3 testimonies
24. Mike Meekins - 15 lines/3 testimonies
25. Dee Vasquez - 16 lines/2 testimonies
26. April May - 14 lines/2 testimonies
27. Yanni Yogi - 13 lines/2 testimonies
28. Larry Butz - 12 lines/2 testimonies
29. Sal Manella - 12 lines/2 testimonies
30. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
31. Richard Wellington - 10 lines/2 testimonies
32. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
33. Miles Edgeworth - 8 lines/1 testimony
34. Morgan Fey - 6 lines/1 testimony
35. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
36. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony
37. The Bellboy - 5 lines/1 testimony
38. Polly - 3 lines/1 testimony

Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 12028
2. Maya Fey - 3371
3. The Judge - 3204
4. Miles Edgeworth - 3109
5. Dick Gumshoe - 1763
6. Mia Fey - 1371
7. Ema Skye - 1150
8. Franziska von Karma - 1090
9. Pearl Fey - 888
10. Adrian Andrews - 458
11. Wendy Oldbag - 442
12. Lotta Hart - 437
13. Larry Butz - 345
14. Godot - 339
15. Will Powers - 329
16. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
17. Manfred von Karma - 316
18. Winston Payne - 298
19. Luke Atmey - 292
20. Damon Gant - 285
21. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
22. Ini Miney - 275
23. Angel Starr - 272
24. Ron DeLite - 266
25. Jake Marshall - 257
26. Calisto Yew - 256
27. Lana Skye - 249
28. Tyrell Badd - 242
29. Marvin Grossberg - 234
30. The Judge's Brother - 224
31. Shelly de Killer - 219
32. Maximillion Galactica - 203
33. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
34. Other - 183
35. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
36. Matt Engarde - 171
37. Morgan Fey - 163
38. Redd White - 162
39. Regina Berry - 151
40. Dee Vasquez - 148
41. Trilo Quist - 140
42. Desiree DeLite - 137
43. Cody Hackins - 135
44. Mike Meekins - 128
45. Richard Wellington - 107
46. April May - 104
47. Kay Faraday - 99
48. Yanni Yogi - 98
49. Maggey Byrde - 89
50. Penny Nichols - 86
51. Terry Fawles - 74
52. Director Hotti - 71
53. Benjamin Woodman - 60
54. Frank Sahwit - 58
55. Sal Manella - 57
56. The Bellboy - 57
57. Turner Grey - 39
58. Chief of Detectives - 36
59. Polly - 20
60. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
61. Shi-Long Lang - 3

Overall total lines - 37609
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LeonhartFour posted...

6. Godot - 227 (5.47%)

what a big 5.47% that is, though!
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