Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 4: The Happening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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I take no offense

VGMC has already beaten it into me that I apparently don't like good music
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Franziska: That look in your eyes...You remind me of Phoenix Wright when he is cornered.
Edgeworth: That should come as no surprise. (Because right now, I am Phoenix Wright, and I am indeed cornered...!)

3-5 trial day 1 is so good because Edgeworth wrecks Franziska left and right (actually 3-5 in general is good for that if you want the satisfaction of seeing Franziska get owned because just about everyone gets her good at some point here). It's also low-key one of the easiest trial days in the entire series outside of tutorials. Pretty sure even the very first time I played I might have gotten stumped maybe once.
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Well, MycroProcessor no doubt feels the same way about those music contests (Me, too... and lots of other guys) and he's one of the most talented musicians on Board 8!

No doubt that musical training can change one's musical tastes over time, but it really just boils down to "everyone has different tastes and everyone is entitled to different opinions".
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so it was snowing here last night and now I just heard thunder

I don't think there are any wooden bridges nearby though
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Anyway, since 3-5 is a tale of two halves in terms of the characters involved, it'd probably be worth cross-comparing them.

So the numbers from 3-5 Trial Day 1:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 313
2. Judge's Brother - 197
3. Franziska von Karma - 177
4. Larry Butz - 145
5. Bikini - 119
6. Iris - 19

Then the combined totals for 3-5 Day 1:

1. Miles Edgeworth - 736
2. Larry Butz - 302
3. Bikini - 207
4. Judge's Brother - 197
5. Phoenix Wright - 194
6. Dick Gumshoe - 191
7. Franziska von Karma - 177
8. Maya Fey - 138
9. Iris - 137
10. Pearl Fey - 44
11. Elise Deauxnim - 29

and still 5 characters who have yet to have a single line so it should be fun to see how the second half changes things up
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I'm trying to think of which multi-game characters are going to be completely tapped out on dialogue so we're going to get their final numbers once 3-5 is over. I know Mia for sure is done after this. Grossberg's been done for a while, I guess. Oh right, Adrian is a multi-game character despite only being in two cases, so she's totally done. I think that might be it, especially since AAI1 brought back pretty much every semi-important character who was in multiple OT cases.
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Morgan Fey talks a few sentences to herself on Day 2 of 3-5 and therefore technically qualifies.
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yeah I guess she technically does

man she's so bad
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Mia is the only character in the series who is in 1, 2, and 3, but no other games.

The list of characters to appear in multiple games of 1-3 but never again is VERY short

Yeah, I think it might just be Mia, Grossberg, Adrian, and Morgan.

also I just saw that the first two episodes of the JFA anime adaptation are out now so I will check those out later

kinda curious to hear what the English voices for Franziska and Pearl sound like
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Yes that is the full list

one of the absolute worst changes the updated translation made was changing the title of Larry's Franziska themed picture book from "Franzy's Whiplash Splash" to "Franzy's Whippity-Whip Trip"
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Franziska: Attempting to cross a burning bridge? Did you even consider the dangers?
Phoenix: No.

that response is quintessential Phoenix and it's great
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i'm suddenly reminded that the series once teased phoenix/franziska
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i'm suddenly reminded that the series once teased phoenix/franziska

to be fair Phoenix himself couched it in the fact that he was delirious from his fever so it doesn't really count
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wait what are you referring to here?
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when Phoenix says Franziska is so openly hostile toward him that it's kinda cute
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oh, right. couldn't remember exactly what it was exactly in AA3. at the end of 2-4 we see that franziska keeps the picture of phoenix that maya drew, too. AA3 seems to confirm that it was a ship-tease.
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man the end of JFA teases Edgeworth/Franziska way more than Phoenix/Franziska

the fact that she doesn't give it back confirms that it absolutely was not a tease
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why do you think she keeps it, then?
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because she's Franziska and she probably didn't actually keep it

she probably just got rid of it entirely

does she strike you as a sentimental person
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I think showing the picture as the lasting image of the case is intended to have an effect. They give it more emphasis than you'd expect if it were just thrown away.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

I think showing the picture as the lasting image of the case is intended to have an effect. They give it more emphasis than you'd expect if it were just thrown away.

that moment is more about Phoenix/Maya than Phoenix/Franziska because Maya drew the picture

like if they wanted that moment to mean more than that Franziska would've given it back to him like she said she would or at least mentioned it but she never does
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it's been a while but franziska seemed evasive about what she did with it, but I could see that being the intent, I guess

obviously it's not like they went anywhere with either of those anyway
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It's literally never even brought up ever again after 2-4, but she said she was going to give it back the next time they met.
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LeonhartFour posted...

like if they wanted that moment to mean more than that Franziska would've given it back to him like she said she would or at least mentioned it but she never does

Ehhh, this I disagree with, though. I don't think the AA showrunners ever intend to follow through with any ship-teases - doing something that explicit would be out of character for them. That's why they're just teases.
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it's also why it's absolutely not a tease

like it had never even occurred to me that it meant anything more than a cool little extra thing that Maya drew with the Shelly card

the tease there was "what was the last piece of evidence that Gumshoe said he took" and then they followed through with it at the end
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Pearl: You're the person who was so mean to Mystic Maya last year. I...I don't like you. You're nothing but a little girl without your whip! Mystic Maya didn't do anything wrong, but you were so mean! I'll never forgive you!

top tier Pearl moment imhotbqh
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That kind of makes me wish Franziska had shown up in 6-5 somehow so Pearl could say she still doesn't forgive her
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Franziska: Don't you Americans enjoy doing whatever you like and then simply say, "Whatever!"?
Phoenix: That's got nothing to do with anything! (And who told you that?!)

Franziska is a surprisingly good investigation partner at times throughout the series, not sure why she's so much better outside of court than in it
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Cybat posted...

That kind of makes me wish Franziska had shown up in 6-5 somehow so Pearl could say she still doesn't forgive her

it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Franziska came back at some point

better not happen before Gumshoe though!
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LeonhartFour posted...

not sure why she's so much better outside of court than in it

it's pretty obvious why - there are supposed to be rules in the courtroom, and she flagrantly (and unbelievably) breaks them by using a stupid/intrusive gimmick
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but yeah, she's surprisingly good as an investigation partner in 3-5.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

it's pretty obvious why - there are supposed to be rules in the courtroom, and she flagrantly (and unbelievably) breaks them by using a stupid/intrusive gimmick

I mean she does the same thing during investigations too

she thinks she lives by a special set of rules that only apply to her
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yeah but the court actually kowtows to her inexplicably
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like how they kowtow to every prosecutor?

they all have their own ways of doing it; she's not an exception
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speaking of prosecutors it's kind of sad that we never get to see Edgeworth and Godot have a conversation
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the others don't get their way by physical assaulting the judge

attacking the attorney has sadly become a trend, but it's still used more judiciously in every other instance than the whip
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Do Edgeworth and Godot ever speak to each other in 3-4 either

Paratroopa1 posted...

Do Edgeworth and Godot ever speak to each other in 3-4 either

I know there's one exchange where Edgeworth calls him an old man and Diego responds by calling him "boy," but I think that's it. The prosecutors don't speak to the assistants during trials very often.

SeabassDebeste posted...

the others don't get their way by physical assaulting the judge

but they all flagrantly disregard the rules one way or the other (except for post-PW1 Edgeworth anyway); that's the point
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Phoenix: Do you know why he moved overseas?
Gumshoe: I don't know. Probably to look cool.
Phoenix: Huh?
Gumshoe: There's a lot of weight attached to doing research overseas, you know. Once I've done my stint in Paris, you'll have to call me Monsieur Gumchaussure.
Phoenix: ...People really don't get Edgeworth, do they?

might be the best comedic exchange in the series right here

the "Monsieur Gumchaussure" line kills me every single time

seriously 3-5 Gumshoe is a comedy goldmine
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getting back to the Sacred Cavern after the earthquake and seeing the five locks on it is such a great "whoa" moment

and now the switch has been made
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okay watched the first two episodes of the 2-2 English dub of the anime

Franziska's and Pearl's voices are pretty good, I think. I was kinda disappointed Ini doesn't sound more like a valley girl though.

Also apparently despite using the English names, the anime still takes place in Japan, since Franziska says she left a promising career in America instead of in Germany, although she doesn't actually mention Japan by name.
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Phoenix and Gumshoe's ladder/stepladder conversation is so good

seriously dude's a goldmine
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I like Dahlia's Psyche-Lock here because it's a pretty big hint that it isn't really Iris because she contradicts stuff Iris told you on day 1, and she can't keep all the details of the crime straight since she doesn't know them all. For example, she doesn't "remember" that she met Phoenix right before she rang the lights out bell until he tells her.
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whew 3-5 investigation day 2 complete

1. Phoenix Wright - 746
2. Dick Gumshoe - 208
3. Franziska von Karma - 159
4. Bikini - 132
5. Miles Edgeworth - 116
6. Pearl Fey - 84
7. Dahlia Hawthorne - 49
8. Godot - 49
9. Larry Butz - 26
10. Iris - 3
11. Morgan Fey - 2
12. Maya Fey - 1

Overall numbers up to this point:

1. Phoenix Wright - 940
2. Miles Edgeworth - 852
3. Dick Gumshoe - 399
4. Bikini - 339
5. Franziska von Karma - 336
6. Larry Butz - 328
7. The Judge's Brother - 197
8. Iris - 140
9. Maya Fey - 139
10. Pearl Fey - 128
11. Dahlia Hawthorne - 49
12. Godot - 49
13. Elise Deauxnim - 29
14. Morgan Fey - 2

Phoenix has already overtaken Edgeworth before we even get to the trial, huh.
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judge gonna rise up here
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no doubt since 3-5 trial day 2 is the longest single segment in the OT
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what'd I predict? I think Phoenix, Edgeworth, Judge, Dahlia and Gumshoe are obvious here unless Maya has more lines than I remember. oh, and I guess Mia could make a run for it but she's too far behind to do a whole lot here.
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I don't know how long the Maya section is, but I know she has at least three testimonies. The Dahlia section is the bulk of the trial day. I'm not sure she's going to get 300+ lines though, but who knows.
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