Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 4: The Happening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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Godot probably has the least number of lines for a prosecutor outside of the paynes
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yeah, that seems highly likely, since almost every prosecutor appears in more cases than godot. manfred von karma is the only one who appears in fewer?
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Godot miiiiight beat Klavier.

oh yeah manfred will have less

klavier has investigation meat in 4-3 and 5-3. he probably holds him off.
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Not a lot of meat in 5-3, but it might be enough to put him over the edge. He's got a lot in 4-3 but Godot's still going to beat him in 3-5 I think? And then Klavier... well actually I guess he still has quite a bit of a role in 4-4. Yeah, Klavier probably beats Godot but I think it might be close.

There aren't really any other options of course. Blackquill and Nahyuta run circles around both of them.

I think T&T is a bigger game overall than AJ so I think Godot has a chance of beating out Klavier. Missing the first half of 3-5 is the only thing that gives me pause there, or I think he would for sure.
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godot is pretty passive for a big chunk of 3-5 as well. it's only that last third that he really stands out. we'll see, I guess. if I remember right, 4-3 is one of the longest one-off cases.
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transcience posted...

we'll see, I guess. if I remember right, 4-3 is one of the longest one-off cases.

It's about the same length as 3-2 and 3-3. 4-3's second day as a whole is a monster for a non-epic case though, which I'm not looking forward to. It's the longest day in AJ. 4-4 is very short for a post-PW1 epic case. It's not that much longer than 3-5 Day 2, actually.

And Godot's kind of passive in general as a prosecutor, but the game still makes sure to give him plenty of zingers.
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for sure. I just mean he's not dominating a witness or taking up a lot of lines. he's more of a one liner kind of guy.
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does 3-3 have the best intro video in the series

it's gotta be close
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AA1 had my favorite case intros, i think. there's not a single one between 1 and 4 that wasn't great in some way.
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just the surreal nature of the case opening with the Judge reciting the "game over" dialogue followed by Winston friggin' Payne beating Phoenix Wright is hard to beat

right away this case prepares you to have your perceptions screwed with from start to finish
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Maya: Look, it's one of those magical boxes that spits out money.
Phoenix: You know, you're the only person who would ever describe a cash register that way.

Phoenix/Maya the best
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3-3 investigation day 1 complete!

It's kinda weird that in a game where Mia is essentially the deuteragonist, her only appearance in 3-3 is invoked fanservice by Maya to break Kudo.

I mean it's brilliant and I wish the series had done more of it but still
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also I'm thinking 3-3 will be the case in T&T where Phoenix has his highest line percentage because he has a long stretch of this first investigation day without Maya around
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not a very bold prediction considering he misses half of 3-5 and isn't the main character of 3-1 and 3-4!
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well yeah it's essentially just between 3-2 and 3-3
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The irony that Gumshoe is at his most competent in the series when he desperately wants to be incompetent

also man Godot is so cool

dat OBJECTION is one of the best
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TLeonhartFour posted...

3-3 investigation day 1 complete!

It's kinda weird that in a game where Mia is essentially the deuteragonist, her only appearance in 3-3 is invoked fanservice by Maya to break Kudo.

The moral of case 3-3: If you like 19-year-olds you are a pedophile.
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Haste_2 posted...

The moral of case 3-3: If you like 19-year-olds you are a pedophile.

I mean Kudo has zero attraction to Maya

hence the need to channel Mia

Maggey is mid-20s too so I'm not sure what you're actually trying to say
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I never would have dreamed that 3-2 would have more lines than 1-4 or 2-3.
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I mean it's an hour longer than either one of them so that's no surprise
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That surprises me too!

It's a case that only puts two witnesses on the stand (not counting Gumshoe) and is, I dunno, just kinda breezy since it never seriously puts forward anyone but Atmey as the culprit*. As a result it feels, at least to me, significantly shorter than it apparently is. (This isn't meant to be a value judgement on the case; I like 3-2! So it was obviously using its extra time well.)

*Of course 5-2 is similar in this regard, but 5-2 has four non-detective witnesses to sift through, plus the introduction of the mood matrix, and feels much meatier.
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3-2 feels super long to me for what it is. I always feel like cases I don't like are long though.
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Well, it's mostly the first investigation day of 3-2 that pads the run time because they spend so much time recapping events from the previous games. Once the case gets into full swing, it's not that long.
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3-2's investigations are soooooooooo loooooong

The trial days are short though!

I seem to recall tran suggesting there was a correlation between longer investigations and good cases, too...!
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hey, you like this one at least!
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3-2 the best
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Phoenix: So the thing you noticed most about the waitress was her outfit? But anyone could wear that uniform! Even me!
Judge: Mr. Wright! Please spare the court of any further mental anguish from that image.

Judge so good
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Judge: Thank you, Mr. Kudo. You've certainly earned your kudos for today.

I actually feel kinda bad for Kudo in hindsight (especially when he asks "Have I been any use at all?" at the end) because he didn't actually make any mistakes except for one thing, but it was really smart of the game to have him make a legitimate mistake with the vase to condition you into thinking his memory was screwed up instead of it being a fake poisoning set up by Tigre. It's also very fitting that the vase thing is the only part of Kudo's testimony that he'll admit he was wrong about (complete with a written apology, no less!) and steadfastly sticks to everything else he said.

Also, I've often wanted to count cups of coffee for Godot in a trial day to see if he ever actually goes over 17 just to see how much attention to detail there is with that gimmick, but he does mention being on his sixteenth cup before the penultimate testimony. He doesn't drink any during the cross-examination, but he chugs and then spit-takes from his 17th cup after you point out the contradiction. He doesn't drink any more coffee after that. At the very least, they were consistent with that!
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Decided to time Tigre's roar

8 full seconds
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Also, I'm still amazed at the fact that I'm still triggering new dialogue that I've never seen before, like Phoenix and Maya talking about inviting Maggey over to hang out once the case is finished, with Maya wondering if they could even play games with her considering she literally can't even win at Tic-Tac-Toe. They decide to reverse engineer Old Maid to make it so that the person with the Joker at the end wins instead of loses.
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Hello again, guys. It's been quite a while, and it's good to see that this series of topics is still alive.

The 3-3 observations are spot-on, it's such a charmer of a case. I love the perception tomfoolery it employs, the wacky cast, and a villain who almost committed the perfect crime (like seriously, he got closer than almost ANYONE), only to be foiled by the Bluff Master at the last second. It's a shining example of what a midgame case in AA should be, imo.

In other news, I've recently been watching my younger brother go through AA12 for the first time! It's been fun seeing his reactions to certain moments and characters. He just finished E2-3 last night, and he really enjoyed it. He laughed his ass off at Gustavia's candy seppuku, and I laughed yet again, because that animation is hyper top tier. Also, he found E2-2 to drag on too long and E2-1 to be an impressive opener. That sounds about right for a lot of us, I imagine.

The weird thing about Tigre's plot is that it really isn't anywhere close to the perfect crime and yet he almost got away with it anyway. He screws up so many of the details, but he was thorough in covering up his own tracks almost entirely through sheer intimidation.
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I actually did the coffee cup thing once, I think with 3-2. it's not accurate at all but I forget how many it was.
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LeonhartFour posted...

The weird thing about Tigre's plot is that it really isn't anywhere close to the perfect crime and yet he almost got away with it anyway. He screws up so many of the details, but he was thorough in covering up his own tracks almost entirely through sheer intimidation.

i mean also the fact that investigation is a joke (literally letting tigre be phoenix) and that a month has already gone by

most murders in AA land are still fresh when the protagonists dig their teeth in

it's more the silliness of the case circumstances than tigre's intimidation that lets him almost win

annoyed me my first time through but i enjoy the case way more in hindsight
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Yeah, I don't get why it had to be a month instead of, like, two weeks. It's a little silly that everyone involved still remembers all the details so clearly. But whatever, it's still one of my favorite midgame cases. The scenes with Violetta are so wonderfully tense.
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The biggest suspension of disbelief is the entirety of Tres Bien, which still looks like the murder only occurred yesterday. They'd have been better off drastically reducing the time between the original trial and the retrial.

But 3-3 doesn't demand that you ever take it seriously at any point though so I don't mind the fact that it's complete nonsense at times
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3-3 investigation day 2 complete!

Tender Lender top tier investigation location

Viola top tier Psyche-Lock
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Yeah, echoing everyone else, 3-3 is completely unbelievable but I still like that case a lot.

I feel like 3-5's complete unbelievability hurts it more because it takes itself more seriously (but I really enjoy 3-5 anyway; Edgeworth/Franziska/Larry so good).

6-6's unbelievability is more of a strike against because that case has much less going for it!
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honestly I don't demand total believability from fiction plots in terms of scientific stuff

like I don't care if the pendulum in 3-5 would literally never work because it was a cool plot device so I roll with rule of cool above all else
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the pendulum wasn't very cool. the only cool thing there is the plot twist of the murder taking place on the other side of the bridge. in that sense, yeah, the end justifies the means (which is unfortunately a phrase that has been rendered meaningless but oh well)
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it's cool because it means Larry's picture was right

sort of
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The stuff about Larry's picture was great (which is why they tried to recapture that in 6-6!) but yeah the sheer unbelievability of the physics there did prevent me from finding it cool.
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boy the anime is going to have a time with Jean Armstrong isn't it

kinda curious if they make any drastic changes to the character or in how the other characters react to him
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Godot: I drank your coffee once, Mr. Armstrong. It's special I'll give you that. It's worth a sip just for the experience.
Armstrong: Oh, you make me so 'appy, monsieur! You are most welcome any time!
Godot: I said it was worth one sip, and nothing more.

Godot so good
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Judge: Quite right. I always break for lunch when the restaurants are serving their specials. I've been known to wind up a case early just to make it on time! Hah hah! Oh, would you look at that! It's almost lunchtime already.
Phoenix: Witness! Get on with your testimony, please!

this is why the Judge is a top 5 character
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godot the best
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Godot referring to Armstrong as "my h-deficient friend" is such a fantastic line
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