Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 4: The Happening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

(+) Yeah! (+)

you're counting the first section as Dahlia, right?
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transcience posted...

you're counting the first section as Dahlia, right?

I counted everything after the switch as Dahlia or she wouldn't have had any lines on that investigation day.
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http://gyakutensaibanlibrary.blogspot.nl/2018/04/takumi-shu-explains-how-scenarios-and.html

This is an article about a presentation Shu Takumi did a few days ago, which talks about his thought process in how he creates the plots for the Ace Attorney games. It's kinda long, but it's an interesting read.
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I ran into a compilation of Objection songs and I'm stumped by how AAI's one is better than everything else.

I need to bring myself to play this game some time.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I ran into a compilation of Objection songs and I'm stumped by how AAI's one is better than everything else.

I need to bring myself to play this game some time.

It's no surprise because AAI1 probably has the best soundtrack. That's one of the few things it has going for it compared to the rest of the series!
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Godot: You look like I did after I mistakenly took a swig of Worcestershire sauce.

might be Godot's best one-liner
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Godot: As they say..."A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal."
Phoenix: I believe the correct description of a cornered fox is "scared and petrified."
Godot: ...Your animal analogies have grown tiresome!

A+ MGS reference and retort by Godot
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LeonhartFour posted...

Godot: As they say..."A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal."
Phoenix: I believe the correct description of a cornered fox is "scared and petrified."
Godot: ...Your animal analogies have grown tiresome!

A+ MGS reference and retort by Godot

this is one of my favorite exchanges

not for the MGS reference, but just for the fact that Godot was the one who brought up animal analogies in the first place

I like that in the visualization of Misty's body swinging across the river, the sword-cane is still in her body even though they haven't even discussed that aspect yet.
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I've often wondered if Godot knew that it was Dahlia on the witness stand the whole time or not. He acts awfully surprised when Phoenix brings it up, but he acts surprised about the pendulum, too, so he could just be faking it.
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Note to self: 185 lines from Dahlia posing as Iris before her real identity is revealed and the name on her textboxes changes
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Dahlia's theme playing over her final testimony was such a great little touch
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Dahlia: Helping...? Don't make me laugh. From the day I was born to the day I died, I never helped anyone. I lived for myself and, in the end, I died for myself.

best Dahlia line imhotbqh
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Godot: Trite, have you heard this one before? "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth." No matter how improbable it may seem.

only Godot is cool enough to rip off Sherlock Holmes and have people assume he came up with it

(well I guess he technically didn't rip him off since he attributed the quote to someone other than himself but still)

although I think the localization messed it up a bit because the "improbable" bit is part of the original quote too
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"At this very moment...who is channeling Dahlia Hawthorne?!"

this line completely blew my mind on my first 3-5 playthrough because while it should have been obvious I got so caught up in the moment that I never even thought about it until the question was posed
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Phoenix: Why not just admit it? Dahlia Hawthorne, your little plan was nothing but a big failure.
Mia: Yes...Another failure to add to the pile of shame, wouldn't you say?
Dahlia: Wh-what do you mean by another?!
Phoenix: Think about it, Dahlia. Remember all your past crimes? Not a single one of them was a success. They all ended in failure.
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Mia: I think you finally understand, Dahlia Hawthorne. You will never defeat me. Whether you're alive, dead, or somewhere in between, you will never defeat me. As long as I'm around, you're destined to lose for all of eternity! That's exactly the punishment you'll never be able to escape from. For all of eternity, you'll have to remain as Dahlia Hawthorne. A miserable, pathetic, weak creature who can never win at anything. And for you, there is no escape from that. No hope of freedom. Since the day you were executed, the narrow bridge that once stretched out in front of you has burnt to a crisp.

best "You suck" speech in the series
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Godot: Mr. Trite's words are the milk and you are the spoon, Your Honor.
Judge: I-I'm a spoon?! I'm no spoony bard, I'll have you know!

A+ FFIV reference
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best case alert
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LeonhartFour posted...

"At this very moment...who is channeling Dahlia Hawthorne?!"

this line completely blew my mind on my first 3-5 playthrough because while it should have been obvious I got so caught up in the moment that I never even thought about it until the question was posed

The sleight of hand here is really genius, they don't have you think about how it's possible for Dahlia to be there, so you don't realize

The best tricks in the AA series are things like this

Phoenix: Pearls was looking for other people, right? Would she really have examined a storage shack all that carefully...?
Maya: If it were me, that would be the first place I'd investigate!

Maya is the quintessential Ace Attorney player
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I remember thinking the contradiction that Godot knew Misty Fey was wearing Japanese clothing underneath the gravy on the scroll was weird because it's easy to assume that's what she was wearing because that's what she always wears. I remember reading a blog once that Godot is referring to a specific type of Japanese dress that he wouldn't have been able to randomly guess, but they didn't translate it with the proper terms because they didn't think the average player would know them.
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The Bitter Taste of Truth best Reminiscence theme

Speaking of best music, it's the final time we get to hear the Allegro theme in T&T now.
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heck yeah original Cornered theme

heck yeah Super Objection

seriously what an amazing finale and it's not even over yet
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"These must be...my tears...The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over."

"You really are the person I always thought you were."

"I'm proud of you, Phoenix. Your defense was...truly brilliant...Phoenix, I want you to remember one thing...You were as good out there today as any defense attorney could ever hope to be. There's nothing more you can learn from me. You've accomplished something I wasn't able to. I owe you a great deal. Thank you."

"Don't worry. Phoenix will save everyone in the end."

seriously what a perfect finale

it just makes 4-0 all that much more disgusting for existing literally two months later
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Trial day 2 numbers:

1. Phoenix Wright - 630
2. The Judge - 343
3. Godot - 294
4. Dahlia Hawthorne - 245
5. Maya Fey - 206
6. Iris - 41
7. Mia Fey - 31
8. Miles Edgeworth - 22
9. Pearl Fey - 19
10. Bikini - 12
11. Franziska von Karma - 11
12. Dick Gumshoe - 10
13. Larry Butz - 10
14. Other - 2
15. Elise Deauxnim - 1

and a bunch of numbers soon to follow
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Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 15074
2. Maya Fey - 4441
3. Miles Edgeworth - 3983
4. The Judge - 3845
5. Dick Gumshoe - 2506
6. Franziska von Karma - 1437
7. Mia Fey - 1418
8. Ema Skye - 1150
9. Pearl Fey - 1035
10. Godot - 902
11. Larry Butz - 683
12. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578
13. Adrian Andrews - 459
14. Wendy Oldbag - 443
15. Lotta Hart - 437
16. The Judge's Brother - 421
17. Bikini - 351
18. Will Powers - 329
19. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
20. Manfred von Karma - 316
21. Winston Payne - 299
22. Luke Atmey - 292
23. Damon Gant - 285
24. Ini Miney - 275
25. Angel Starr - 272
26. Ron DeLite - 269
27. Maggey Byrde - 257
28. Jake Marshall - 257
29. Calisto Yew - 256
30. Jean Armstrong - 251
31. Lana Skye - 249
32. Victor Kudo - 247
33. Tyrell Badd - 242
34. Marvin Grossberg - 234
35. Shelly de Killer - 219
36. Maximillion Galactica - 203
37. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
38. Other - 195
39. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
40. Iris - 181
41. Furio Tigre - 176
42. Matt Engarde - 171
43. Morgan Fey - 165
44. Redd White - 162
45. Regina Berry - 151
46. Dee Vasquez - 148
47. Trilo Quist - 140
48. Desiree DeLite - 139
49. Cody Hackins - 135
50. Mike Meekins - 128
51. Richard Wellington - 107
52. April May - 104
53. Kay Faraday - 99
54. Yanni Yogi - 98
55. Penny Nichols - 86
56. Viola Cadaverini - 80
57. Terry Fawles - 74
58. Director Hotti - 71
59. Benjamin Woodman - 60
60. Frank Sahwit - 58
61. Sal Manella - 57
62. The Bellboy - 57
63. Chief of Detectives - 53
64. Lisa Basil - 46
65. Turner Grey - 39
66. Elise Deauxnim - 30
67. Polly - 20
68. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
69. Shi-Long Lang - 3

Overall total lines - 47487

Total lines by segment:

1. 3-5 Trial Day 2 - 1888
2-4 Trial Day 2 - 1613
2-4 Investigation Day 1 - 1595
2. 3-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1575
2-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1432
3. 3-5 Investigation Day 1 - 1382
3-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1358
1-5 Trial Day 3 - 1338
2-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1331
2-4 Trial Day 1 - 1306
3-4 - 1225
3-3 Investigation Day 2 - 1221
3-1 - 1167
3-2 Investigation Day 2 - 1127
3-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1093
3-3 Trial Day 2 - 1041
E1-4 Middle - 1030
1-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1004
E1-4 End - 979
4. 3-5 Trial Day 1 - 970
3-2 Trial Day 2 - 966
1-5 Trial Day 1 - 938
1-5 Investigation Day 3 - 932
E1-4 Beginning - 926
2-2 Investigation Day 1 - 924
2-3 Investigation Day 2 - 900
2-1 - 899
1-5 Investigation Day 1 - 874
2-3 Trial Day 1 - 851
1-5 Trial Day 2 - 827
2-2 Investigation Day 2 - 808
2-3 Trial Day 2 - 802
2-2 Trial Day 2 - 764
1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729
3-3 Trial Day 1 - 708
1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700
3-2 Trial Day 1 - 700
1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661
1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626
2-2 Trial Day 1 - 623
1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524
1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519
1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517
1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478
1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455
1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447
1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414
1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403
1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402
1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400
1-1 - 389
1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380
1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-5 - 5815
3-2 - 4151
3-3 - 4063
2-3 - 3884
1-4 - 3466
2-2 - 3119
E1-4 - 2935
1-3 - 2741
1-2 - 1773
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
2-2 - 899
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

T&T - 16422
PW1 - 14282
JFA - 13848
AAI1 - 2935
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Total lines between investigations and trials:

3-2 Investigations - 2485 (59.87%)
3-2 Trials - 1666 (40.13%)

3-3 Investigations - 2314 (56.95%)
3-3 Trials - 1749 (43.05%)

3-5 Investigations - 2957 (50.85%)
3-5 Trials - 2858 (49.15%)

T&T Investigations - 7756 (47.23%)
T&T Trials (including 3-1 and 3-4) - 8666 (52.77%)

T&T Investigations - 7756 (55.29%)
T&T Trials (excluding 3-1 and 3-4) - 6273 (44.71%)

Total lines by character per case:

Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5)

1. Phoenix Wright - 1570 (27.00%)
2. Miles Edgeworth - 874 (15.03%)
3. Dick Gumshoe - 409 (7.03%)
4. Bikini - 351 (6.04%)
5. Franziska von Karma - 347 (5.97%)
6. Maya Fey - 345 (5.93%)
7. The Judge - 343 (5.90%)
8. Godot - 343 (5.90%)
9. Larry Butz - 338 (5.81%)
10. Dahlia Hawthorne - 294 (5.06%)
11. The Judge's Brother - 197 (3.39%)
12. Iris - 181 (3.11%)
13. Pearl Fey - 147 (2.53%)
14. Mia Fey - 31
15. Elise Deauxnim - 30
16. Ron DeLite - 3
17. Morgan Fey - 2
18. Other - 2
19. Desiree DeLite - 2
20. Maggey Byrde - 1
21. Adrian Andrews - 1
22. Viola Cadaverini - 1
23. Lisa Basil - 1
24. Victor Kudo - 1
25. Wendy Oldbag - 1

Percentage of lines per case by game:

Trials & Tribulations

3-5 - 35.41%
3-2 - 25.28%
3-3 - 24.74%
3-4 - 7.47%
3-1 - 7.11%

Total lines by character per game:

Trials & Tribulations

1. Phoenix Wright - 4638 (28.24%)
2. Maya Fey - 1951 (11.88%)
3. The Judge - 1173 (7.14%)
4. Miles Edgeworth - 1038 (6.32%)
5. Dick Gumshoe - 948 (5.77%)
6. Mia Fey - 904 (5.50%)
7. Godot - 902 (5.49%)
8. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578 (3.52%)
9. Larry Butz - 501 (3.05%)
10. The Judge's Brother - 421
11. Bikini - 351
12. Franziska von Karma - 347
13. Pearl Fey - 293
14. Luke Atmey - 292
15. Ron DeLite - 269
16. Jean Armstrong - 251
17. Victor Kudo - 247
18. Iris - 181
19. Winston Payne - 169
20. Maggey Byrde - 168
21. Desiree DeLite - 139
22. Adrian Andrews - 127
23. Viola Cadaverini - 80
24. Marvin Grossberg - 79
25. Terry Fawles - 74
26. Lisa Basil - 46
27. Elise Deauxnim - 30
28. Other - 23
29. Chief of Detectives - 17
30. Doug Swallow - 5
31. Valerie Hawthorne - 3
32. Morgan Fey - 2
33. Wendy Oldbag - 1

Most lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032
Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 1570
Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 1476
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92%
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75%
Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90%
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60%
Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 36.33%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59%
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 34.52%
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 31.82%
Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 27.00%
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Testimonies by character:

1. Dick Gumshoe - 99 lines/18 testimonies
2. Dahlia Hawthorne - 75 lines/12 testimonies
3. Wendy Oldbag - 45 lines/8 testimonies
4. Luke Atmey - 38 lines/6 testimonies
5. Larry Butz - 35 lines/6 testimonies
6. Adrian Andrews - 34 lines/6 testimonies
7. Lotta Hart - 31 lines/6 testimonies
8. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 34 lines/5 testimonies
9. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
10. Redd White - 29 lines/4 testimonies
11. Angel Starr - 24 lines/4 testimonies
12. Bikini - 24 lines/4 testimonies
13. Ini Miney - 24 lines/4 testimonies
14. Maya Fey - 24 lines/4 testimonies
15. Furio Tigre - 23 lines/4 testimonies
16. Jean Armstrong - 22 lines/4 testimonies
17. Shelly de Killer - 22 lines/4 testimonies
18. Victor Kudo - 21 lines/4 testimonies
19. Cody Hackins - 21 lines/3 testimonies
20. Damon Gant - 20 lines/3 testimonies
21. Frank Sahwit - 20 lines/3 testimonies
22. Lana Skye - 19 lines/3 testimonies
23. Jake Marshall - 18 lines/3 testimonies
24. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
25. Ron DeLite - 17 lines/3 testimonies
26. Trilo Quist - 17 lines/3 testimonies
27. Will Powers - 17 lines/3 testimonies
28. Ema Skye - 15 lines/3 testimonies
29. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 15 lines/3 testimonies
30. Mike Meekins - 15 lines/3 testimonies
31. Dee Vasquez - 16 lines/2 testimonies
32. April May - 14 lines/2 testimonies
33. Yanni Yogi - 13 lines/2 testimonies
34. Sal Manella - 12 lines/2 testimonies
35. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
36. Richard Wellington - 10 lines/2 testimonies
37. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
38. Miles Edgeworth - 8 lines/1 testimony
39. Morgan Fey - 6 lines/1 testimony
40. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
41. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony
42. The Bellboy - 5 lines/1 testimony
43. Polly - 3 lines/1 testimony
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I'm almost at the point where I should just make some Google spreadsheet and just link to it after every case so I'm not overloading the topic every time, at least for the stuff that isn't case/game-specific.

Plus, it'd be nice to have it all in one prime location that people could access whenever they wanted. I could even put my time data from my last playthrough, too.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Phoenix: Think about it, Dahlia. Remember all your past crimes? Not a single one of them was a success. They all ended in failure.

I'm not sure if this line is factually correct. They did actually steal that diamond, right?
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oh man those 3-5 numbers are close

I knew it'd be a big jumble but I did not see Bikini being in the top 5 coming
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just saw that 3-5 has fewer lines than 2-4 and 1-5, despite being longer in play-time for you. but each of those differences was always within margin of error, i guess. a monologue here or there could easily shift it.
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I imagine a lot of dahlia's speeches count as just one line, now that I think about it
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transcience posted...

I knew it'd be a big jumble but I did not see Bikini being in the top 5 coming

Well, she's a major part of three of the four segments, which is huge considering most characters are only there for one or two, although it was that little bit she has at the end of the second trial day that ended up putting her over the top, ironically enough.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

I'm not sure if this line is factually correct. They did actually steal that diamond, right?

The point Phoenix made was that the crime was eventually exposed, so she had to kill her sister and Terry.

SeabassDebeste posted...

just saw that 3-5 has fewer lines than 2-4 and 1-5, despite being longer in play-time for you. but each of those differences was always within margin of error, i guess. a monologue here or there could easily shift it.

If I had to guess, the reason for that would be that neither Edgeworth nor Phoenix have an assistant at the bench on either trial day other than Mia briefly showing up to lay the smack down on Dahlia. That would be worth an extra couple hundred lines in a case this size, at least.

transcience posted...

I imagine a lot of dahlia's speeches count as just one line, now that I think about it

Nah, she's not especially verbose compared to other characters. She doesn't have a really long monologue or anything like that.
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LeonhartFour posted...

If I had to guess, the reason for that would be that neither Edgeworth nor Phoenix have an assistant at the bench on either trial day other than Mia briefly showing up to lay the smack down on Dahlia. That would be worth an extra couple hundred lines in a case this size.

interesting theory/explanation, i like it! those lines are usually pretty straightforward/quick, too - don't add much playtime
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SeabassDebeste posted...

interesting theory/explanation, i like it! those lines are usually pretty straightforward/quick, too - don't add much playtime

Well, at the end of the cross-examination, you usually have Phoenix bantering back and forth with the assistant over the testimony, and that's usually good for a handful of lines on its own. Here, that's just one big line since Phoenix and Edgeworth only speak to themselves about it.
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Anyway, I'm kind of looking forward to the brevity of most of AAI1 since most segments before E1-5 are pretty short. I'm definitely going to have to pace myself better for AAI2, DD, and SoJ though. I've been trying to do a segment per day, but that might be a bit too much for those considering how beefy just about every case becomes from that point on.
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i never paid much attention to the "segments" in the AAI games

case/segment length definitely gets out of hand in AA5 and AA6 though
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So when does Phoenix Wright vs. Professor Layton take place in the timeline? >_>
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I was on an airplane yesterday and saw an ugly suitcase and thought of e1-2

I have very little else to say about this
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AxemRedRanger posted...

So when does Phoenix Wright vs. Professor Layton take place in the timeline? >_>

Non-canon, but if it did take place, there's a rather obvious spot in the timeline.

If Wright had been in Japanifornia during Tigre's impersonation of him, he certainly would have known about it...
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bwburke94 posted...

AxemRedRanger posted...

So when does Phoenix Wright vs. Professor Layton take place in the timeline? >_>

Non-canon, but if it did take place, there's a rather obvious spot in the timeline.

If Wright had been in Japanifornia during Tigre's impersonation of him, he certainly would have known about it...

Unfortunately, they reference Hazakura Temple at one point, believe it or not, so that doesn't quite fit.

If you COULD fit it in the timeline, it'd have to be almost immediately after 3-5 because Phoenix and Maya show up in the background in both AAI games, which take place mostly in March, about a month after 3-5 ends. And then there's obviously 4-0 in April, which would be the cutoff point unless Phoenix practices law illegally overseas or something.
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Edgeworth: The murder weapon dripping with blood does not, in fact, exist!

boom case closed in the very first testimony--excuse me, argument/rebuttal
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i do like the unique terminology in the AAI games. and i like that you 'combat' your 'witnesses' directly instead of on the stand via prosecutor.
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Eh, it makes it feel a bit more contrived at times because they really have no obligation to talk to you, but they do anyway. It doesn't really feel the same outside of the trial setting.
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Edgeworth: (These counter windows offer a glimpse of the sky, but these clouds, they tell me nothing...)
Rhoda: Mr. Edgeworth...? You...look like you're talking to the clouds.
Edgeworth: Is that so? Then tell me, what do you supposed I said to them?
Rhoda: I don't know, but it looked like a rather one-sided conversation.
Edgeworth: (The clouds...They tell me nothing.)

it's not often that Edgeworth isn't the one playing the straight man in an exchange so it's pretty amazing on the rare occasions we see it like this one
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LeonhartFour posted...

Eh, it makes it feel a bit more contrived at times because they really have no obligation to talk to you, but they do anyway. It doesn't really feel the same outside of the trial setting.

On the one hand, you're right that it's kinda contrived. In real life a lot of these people would clam up and demand their lawyer present.

On the other hand... this is the AA-verse. If you can convince the prosecutor not to indict you before the trial, it's a chance worth taking, since once the trial starts you're probably going to be found guilty since the burden of proof is on the defence!

So yeah I can't say it bothers me at all.
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I mean it's fine and I accept it because it's Ace Attorney but it's still not quite the same as doing it in a courtroom setting so it loses a bit of the charm

One thing I will say is that AAI1 did choose some pretty excellent locations: Edgeworth's office, the plane, the amusement park, and the courthouse are all really cool places (as well as the prison in AAI2). It's a shame that literally the only time we get to freely walk around Edgeworth's office is in E1-1.
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The amusement park is one of my least favorite locations in the series. What a fun amusement park, it has a wild west area that you don't do a lot of investigating in, a completely empty stadium, a haunted house you don't get to go into, and some warehouses. whoo

hey you totally get to go into the haunted house

in the intro but still

The Little Thief recreation of the haunted house is one of my favorite parts of the first game though.
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