Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 17: Taking the fight to Múspell

(+) Yeah! (+)

He used to be not available at 3*, so he was decently common then and now pretty common
---

i've been getting so many Reinhardt's lately he's become Barst's partner for skill inheritance

Reihardt passes spur atk 1
Barst passes spur atk 2, 3, reposition
---

Are there any characters that really want Vantage 3? I've been holding on to a few copies but I never seem to have any units that want it.
---

Distant counter units can use it. Ryoma, Hector, Camus, Black Knight.

The other group includes units that have effective damage against unit types to secure OHKOs. I particularly like this on Rhajat and Kagero and commonly have them pick up counter kills in arena assault
---

I had to pull Summer Leo out of retirement to finally beat Infernal Ryoma (that Hoshidan scum). It was fun.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Are there any characters that really want Vantage 3? I've been holding on to a few copies but I never seem to have any units that want it.

I use Vantage on Camus and he puts in some serious work. I think Vantage is a stellar option for most DC units.
---

Lonquo has Glimmer as well as Vantage so I'd definitely hold him. Glimmer has become pretty good since it had its cool down reduced
---

I find Vantage pretty mediocre since it's only useful if you're leaving units alive at low HP at the start of the enemy phase, which is extremely dangerous due to Wings of Mercy. And then it only works if the Vantage unit is the only one in range. Like obviously there are situations where it can pay off but I find them few and far between; I used to have Vantage on quite a few of my DC units and I never got much out of it compared to other B skills.
---

i get a lot of use out of vantage on my +atk Spring Camilla with gronnblade and close counter, since she can one-shot a lot of things. also Rhajat to take care of everyone's favorite horse duo (and sometimes Cecilia). i have it on some DC units as well but don't get a whole lot of use out of it on them anymore.
---

Yeah, when you can actually get a straight OHKO it makes sense.

Come to think of it I do have a +Atk Spring Camilla with access to Gronnblade+ and the free Takumi around, so maybe I should try that.
---

Ryoma fight on Infernal was really cool. First challenging GHB in a long time that couldn't be solved by playing Matthew like an Awakening character. All that shuttling by Ryoma made for a dynamic fight depending on what you prioritized killing first

It felt difficult in a totally fair way though. Took me like 15 tries to solve it by running Matthew, Serra, Adult Tiki, and Grima Robin. Basically sent the dragons really aggro down the sides to kill all the dagger users while Matthew and Serra stalled mid, then cleaned up.
---

I just got Ryoma, is he any good?
---

Which Ryoma? Flying Legendary Hero Ryoma seems to be really good. Original infantry Ryoma is only okay.
---

If I never see another Distant Counter, Aether, resistance-refined Berkut's Lance +10 Effie again it'll be too soon.
---

man this is weird. my two most wanted units on the leg banner were Gunnthra and Hardin, but i wasn't going to go for them because i don't want the other units of those colors, but i want Sigurd and Ryoma (and even Tiki sort of). then i end up getting both while trying to snipe red. not the best natures, with the Hardin i just got being +HP -def (and Gunnthra was +HP -atk) but still.
---

Got Robin at 9%

Christmas Robin

In a no colorless combo breaker. I'm completely ok with this though. +Atk/-Res too which seems like a pretty solid nature for him. So in my two non colorless draws this banner I got Christmas Chrom and Christmas Robin. Kinda funny. Much like Xuxon they were the top two units I wanted on the banner too (well other than more Grima Robins but yeah)
---

Hmm, maybe I should pull for Gunnthra to end up with Ryoma.

The next new heroes banner is aligned with four heroes special maps. Last time, the CYL banner date was announced ahead of time, right?
---

Yes, they announced the CYL heroes via FEH Channel.
---

So we think that's when CYL is coming?
---

It's probably at the end of August again.
---

Same hell needs to go back to where it came from
---

I just played against a 4x Tharja team in the arena. 5* +10 Tharja, 5* +10 Armor Tharja, and two 5* +10 Bride Tharjas. Base-kit Fjorm killed them all
---

Mono-color is so dumb. What is even the rationale behind it?
---

Maximum waifu dedication?
---

i played against a 4x Shanna team today. +10, +9, +2, +1. one Berkut/DC, one firesweep, and the other two i'm not sure, probably armor/cav effective or something. Myrrh took 0 damage dispatching them.
---

barreldragon88 posted...

Mono-color is so dumb. What is even the rationale behind it?

Well if you want to run a Tharja team, you have to run mono Red. However, some other people do it intentionally to try and get a defense win. The mono colour team will auto lose against most teams but it has a chance to get a kill if it draws a human player who has a slight weakness to that colour.
---

Well, I would think colorless is the best choice for mono-color
---

Holy shit, round 1 I ended up rank 4.

https://imgur.com/a/NAwg7zn

Team Gunnthra
---

barreldragon88 posted...

Well, I would think colorless is the best choice for mono-color

I don't think so, actually? It can never get WTA. Mono-colour teams rely on drawing teams who lack the colour that can get WTA on them (you'd think everyone would run red/green/blue, but a surprising number of people don't... people play favourites sometimes!), and thus they will have WTA on 1-3 people on the enemy team and WTD against nobody.

It's a pretty valid strategy if you actually care about defence teams, but there's an element of risk to it.

Mono-colourless can work too, but if you want to try it I 100% recommend Cancel Affinity on at least one person so a raven mage doesn't sweep your team.
---

If I made a Tharja team I'd put a Rhajat in there to at least get two colors. Not sure why you wouldn't do that.

Got Innes. +Atk/-Res. Not the best nature but far from the worst.
---

Why is Grima so strong in the Voting Gauntlets? He was stronger than Celica in the March gauntlet and he was stronger than Ike in this one. Robin struggled with Lissa in the January gauntlet so it's not like Grima is being a leech. He seems to be way stronger than Robin for some reason.
---

I feel like Grima pulls in all of Robin's normal fans and fans of villains in general and fans of the Grima-is-Robin plot twist (or similar ones in like it).

Robin's already a reasonably popular character at base, and Grima adds onto that. I don't like Robin much but I do like Grima, and I know I'm not alone. Meanwhile Grima isn't really likely to bleed many of Robin's existing fans, and due to being from Awakening has an extremely high ceiling for popularity.

Both Grimas being good and even more importantly unique units also helps - see Flying Dancer Azura and Flying Dagger Kagero doing very well, etc.
---

wow, i got Ryoma. +res -def. didn't even spend 50 orbs total on this banner and got my top 3 targets.

...now i just need a Soleil. i could give him Brave Sword i guess, but may as well let him and Elincia each play to their own strengths.
---

The gang's all here.

https://imgur.com/099W5kA
---

Does Lon'qu really need more speed
---

Yes, because lots of enemies in high-end Arena also have +Spd builds and allies with buffs to boot. He needs as much speed as possible so he can both consistently double and proc Flashing Blade. I'm tempted to give him a +3 Speed seal as well but during testing the loss of Atk was really hurting.
---

when his A slot doesn't give speed? yeah, he definitely needs the spd refine.

the area where Lon'qu could be improved is that wo dao + moonbow is essentially always better than slaying edge + luna. the enemy would have to have at least 62 def for the current setup to do more damage.
---

Hmm, would it? I'll assume Lon'qu's 50 Atk versus 40 Def.

Luna Version:
50 Atk - 20 Def (reduced by Luna) = 30 damage

Moonbow Version:
50 Atk - 28 Def (reduced by Moonbow) = 22 damage, +10 from Wo Dao = 32 damage

And then 50 Def:

Luna Version:
50 Atk - 25 Def (reduced by Luna) = 25 damage

Moonbow Version:
50 Atk - 35 Def = 15 damage,+10 from Wo Dao = 25 damage

Considering that the majority of enemies will have below 50 defense, you seem to be correct. Assuming I did my math right. I actually have a 5* Athena that I don't care about in the slightest so I wouldn't even need feathers to make it a reality.
---

I feel like one-charge Moonbow is a scam because you often have to go against something that can counter you at the start of battle, so the one cooldown gets wasted
---

Same hell for Alfonse and Anna now. I hedged a little with some early flags so should hang onto top 10k
---

Anna is weaker now @Grimmer if you weren't checking. Guess you saw the very edge of same hell.
---

Thanks. It was surprising. Alphonse's lead was right on the border to trigger it and it appeared like Anna had a little more natural strength
---

Yeah I thought you were right and as such missed one of the two weaker matches for Anna but yeah looks like Alfonse is stronger (why-- not that Heroes Anna is the best version of Anna by any means but come on) or they're close enough to the same that you're gonna have variation
---

barreldragon88 posted...

I feel like one-charge Moonbow is a scam because you often have to go against something that can counter you at the start of battle, so the one cooldown gets wasted

There's a difference between Flashing Blade + Moonbow and, say, Quickened Pulse + Moonbow. The latter only acts as 1-charge for the first encounter. The former treats Moonbow as a 1-charge for every encounter assuming Lon'qu is faster (which he almost always is). When you combine that with Desperation, any initiation where Lon'qu would double is an immediate Attack + Attack (with Moonbow boosted by Wo Dao) which is very potent.

I mean, Ayra and Mia do it better in every way, but those two are better than every other (non-armor) red sword in the game so I don't hold it against him. I've had a lot of success with him even before he started getting big merges and heavy SI simply because Speed is the most important stat in the game and Lon'qu has the second highest Speed in the game. He's also way tankier than people realize because he has a high base HP (which is further bolstered by Wo Dao+ or Slaying Edge+ giving +5 HP when refined).

I didn't actually build him out of favoritism (I liked him in Awakening but not THAT much). Lon'qu is my personal #1 choice for a budget (non-armor) Red sword, by which I mean Red swords that can be found at the *3 or *4 level. In general my top picks for that are:

Lon'qu - best 'brawler' type, strong offense while being able to tank in a pinch
Marth - strong buffer, not as good a fighter but craps on dragons which is extremely useful in the current meta
Eirika - strong buffer, slightly less good at that than Marth but is a much better fighter against non-dragons
Soleil - amazing offense when taking advantage of firesweep, but is kind of bad when she needs to take a hit and doesn't have the natural speed needed to one-round some key opponents
Olivia - bad in fighting but she's a dancer so who gives a shit

And to a lesser extent:
Hinata - extremely tanky for his archetype, can be a very good defensive tank if utilizing steady breath + quick riposte, but dies immediately to any mage not named Merric
Hana - Soleil lite
Athena - Lon'qu but slightly worse
Caeda - was salvaged by Wing Sword, base stat spread is still garbage though

P.S. I didn't include any Cavs because all the budget Red Cavs are bad.
---

https://imgur.com/on6ZJ5f

Nino alt hype!
---

Sorry TRE it's actually Merric
---

Someone's getting fired
---

Got up to 8.5%, combo broken by Innes, neutral. Thinking +Atk/-Res is probably still better? Almost tempted to keep the neutral though because Ephraim is my only other 5* neutral unit IIRC. I don't mind drawing Innes because he's a guy I wouldn't mind getting a few merges on as his bow seems well suited for that and he's one of my favorite archers in the series.

Back up to 9%. Running out of Chain Challenges and it's also getting tiresome to do them. Will stop after the next combo breaker.

Random aside I got a +Spd/-Def Felicia also in my colorless sniping, so now I have one that's +Atk/-Def and one that's +Spd/-Def. I feel like +Atk is better if I wanted to merge her to abuse the plate a bit better, but I think if I'm not merging (and honestly, I don't think I will for a long long time if ever, even if she is one of the better fates characters) the +Spd is better, right? I do want one 5* just cause she seems useful for TT and as said I like her.

What does resident Felicia guru KP think.
---

I'm up to 10% on the Legendary Banner without having gotten anything yet. Getting a little concerned!

Felicia wants +Spd whether you're merging or not. Lots of mages have really high Spd and you want to be able to double them so that the Plate autokills.
---

Yeah I guess it's only a breath weapon effect and not exactly a poison dagger or anything. For some reason I thought it was super effective against certain things which would allow her to conceivably one shot things-- can't really do that even with breath weapon effect and +Atk with her low base attack though.
---

RIP my orbs. Literally anything else I wouldn't give a fuck about, but you just HAD to release this on me IS?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opNyomsSYl0" data-time="

Nino alt and Legault.

Also Linus GHB.

Holy shit the dream will finally come true!

(Oh and Canus probably the TT unit)
---