Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 17: Taking the fight to Múspell

(+) Yeah! (+)

So that means at a certain point your only available option for obtaining orbs becomes purchasing?
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They add new ways to get Orbs on a very regular basis. And I don't think there's ever been a point the last few months where there's not either a daily log-in bonus for some or an event going on you can participate in to get some.

But yes, there will be a point where you play for a half hour one day and every Orb opportunity is then exhausted and you have to wait until the next day.
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(That said, I have been playing since day 1 and I still don't have the proper teams to do a few of the GHB quests for Orbs)
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I think there's on average 300 new orbs to aquire per month. They've been generous lately
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Oh well that's not so bad then. Also bought 35 because I had 5 already and I wanted to take advantage of this banner. Will post results soon as my phone has 1%
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As someone who has spent upwards of $150 on this, don't put money into this game. The ratio of dollar to Orb is horrendous and it's almost never worth it. The only time I will ever spend again is if my 5-star % gets super high and I'm out of time to build up Orbs for another roll.
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5*
Sigmund

4*
Lon'qu
Lissa
Titania
Pricllia
Nanna
Ogma

3*
Clair
Lucius
Eliwood
Sheena
Caeda
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Sigmund or Sigurd? Because Sigmund is Ephraim's weapon.
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Probably Sigurd. I typed it up on my phone and I know it tried to autocorrect it the last time I typed up Sigurd. He's a dupe either way. There are three others that I got that were dupes, Matthew, Corrin and Raven.
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Ah. Yeah, dupes will happen. Eventually you'll want them to happen.

I wouldn't worry about it for now, but later on you can make the decision on if you want to merge a dupe, or use their skills for skill inheritance.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Ah. Yeah, dupes will happen. Eventually you'll want them to happen.

I wouldn't worry about it for now, but later on you can make the decision on if you want to merge a dupe, or use their skills for skill inheritance.

What does merging do?
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Merging allows you to increase the stats of a hero. Each merge gives +1 to two stats, you can do this up to +10 which gives a total of +4 to all stats.

Look here for more details.

https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Merge_Allies
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You can merge two of the exact same character. You choose one version to keep and one version to get rid of. If the version you get rid of is the same rarity or higher, the unit you keep gets a "+1" level. Each "+1" is worth 2 stat points and you can reach a maximum of "+10". So a 5*+10 unit will have 20 more stat points overall than a 5*+0. The stats are distributed evenly so a +10 unit will have 4 more stat points in each stat. When you merge two characters, the character you keep gains all of the skills of the character you lose. Units with "+1" level are also worth more points in the arena. So a top ranking arena team will be made of 5*+10 units.

By exact same character I mean you can merge two "Lyn: Brave Lady" together but you can't merge "Lyn: Brave Lady" and "Lyn: Lady of the Plains" even though both are Lyn.

When I say "same rarity or higher" I mean you can merge a 5* unit into a 4* unit to get a 4*+1 unit. There are actually some cases where you want to do this but it's rare. You can merge a 4* unit into a 5* unit but you won't get a "+1" level. You only get some SP.
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Promoting that Caeda to 4* so you can inherit fortify fliers onto Ninian would be useful to you. She will be able to support Myrrh better with that skill.
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Yankees posted...

Promoting that Caeda to 4* so you can inherit fortify fliers onto Ninian would be useful to you. She will be able to support Myrrh better with that skill.

Then I will do that.
That should take 2000 feathers, right?
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Yep
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I still don't understand why Swordbreaker is favored over R Tome Breaker on Lilina. Which relevant swords is she not able to one-shot??
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So I promote Caeda, then I inherit her in to Ninian, right? Or do I have to teach Caeda Fortfy Flyiers first?
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That Bride Ninian, right? If so, you can immediately use Skill Inheritance to give Fortify Fliers from 4* Caeda to Ninian. Caeda does not need to learn the skill first.
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barreldragon88 posted...

I still don't understand why Swordbreaker is favored over R Tome Breaker on Lilina. Which relevant swords is she not able to one-shot??

The ones I run into can't one shot my Lloyd.
He's relevant to me dammit!

Honestly it's annoying, I wish people didn't copy paste Swordbreaker on her.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So I promote Caeda, then I inherit her in to Ninian, right? Or do I have to teach Caeda Fortfy Flyiers first?

Caeda doesn't have to actually learn the skill, just be capable of learning it(You couldn't as a 3*).

Allies > Advanced Growth > Inherit Skill.
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Is Hero Fest just a noob trap or is it worth sinking orbs into over other banners?
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

That Bride Ninian, right? If so, you can immediately use Skill Inheritance to give Fortify Fliers from 4* Caeda to Ninian. Caeda does not need to learn the skill first.

Not sure if it's bride or not. I think so. Would I have been able to acquire her from any of the other banners in the last week?
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If it's the flying Ninian, then yeah it's Bridal Ninian. Otherwise it's regular Ninian. Only the former makes use of Fortify Fliers naturally.
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Ok so when I go to merge allies or inherit skills I can't actually select anyone, either for lose or gain. Is there something I should know or am missing? I know that if they are 'd I can't use them, but neither my dupe Sig or Corrin are hearted and I cant merge and I un'd Caeda and I can't use her to inherit skills in to Ninian.
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Dark Young Link posted...

If it's the flying Ninian, then yeah it's Bridal Ninian. Otherwise it's regular Ninian. Only the former makes use of Fortify Fliers naturally.

Ok no, she is just the regular Ninian. Is the flying one only available in Bridal Bloom right now?
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Bride Ninian is the one of the current Bridal Bloom banner. She's a seasonal unit. That means she can not be summoned on most banners. The next time she might show up will be on a Legendary banner (like the Ryoma one right now) in a few months.
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So would it be better to try and farm her while I have the chance instead of the current banner?
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Got another Armor Robin off of 20 orbs. +Spd/-Def, which is slightly worse than the +Spd/-Res I already had. He'll be nice fodder. Not sure who would be good for his A-skill
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Is defence not important, I keep seeing people praise +something/-def?
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It depends on the stat spread. You typically want a -Def or -Res, based on their lower stat, because you wouldn't want them taking on enemies of that variety anyway. For instance, you want -Res on a really good chunk of melee units because you want to keep them away from mages in the first place. Whereas most mages would want -Def because you don't want them taking hits from melee units.

There are other cases where someone has terrible speed, or certain Skills that nullify their bad speed, so you just want it to be worse so a more useful stat isn't worse. When it comes to Dancers, you ideally don't want them engaging anyone at all, so -Atk is acceptable to make sure they survive more hits.
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You usually want dancers to be able to troubleshoot at least one enemy type, at worst by sticking Triangle Adept or a jewel weapon on them and letting them check that colour hard. Atk helps them do that, so I wouldn't say -Atk is desirable, though of course the exact stats of your dancer matter less than for other units.
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Yeah, hence why I said acceptable. For example, I already have a +Spd -Atk NY Azura, and I got a second one from this banner that's +Atk -HP and I haven't even begun to choose which route I'm gonna go. Both are really good options.
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General rule of thumb when all else fails is to ideally tank a unit's lowest stat since you're usually playing a game in a way where it isn't ever relevant anyway. A lot of units have one weak defensive stat so that's the easy one to tank in most cases.

People often don't ever want to have a -Atk unit but there are exceptions to that imo-- in fact I think it's overlooked as a bane on tanky units in general, in addition to the (somewhat) standard use of it on dancers and some healers. But I swear by my -Atk Matthew being practically vital for the build to work as well as it does.
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Barring extreme circumstances, I don't think any unit in the game wants -Atk.
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What does speed even do in this game?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Barring extreme circumstances, I don't think any unit in the game wants -Atk.

I think a lot of balanced tanks can get good use out of it if you play the unit in the right way-- a lot of them if you compromise one of the two defensive stats it makes them too weak against the unit type you're dropping the lower defensive stat on.

Like I'm almost considering keeping Grima Robin F's nature at +Spd/-Atk even if I draw a "better" nature later because I feel like tanking her Res or Def makes her a bit too weak against whichever one you drop and she hits kinda hard with Expiration's passive and base 16 Atk with -Atk anyway. Only reason I'm on the fence is I already have a colorless tank so it'd be a bit redundant. But man it feels like such a waste to bring her base defense to 26 or base res to 22 when her A skill is so good and puts them both at the 30 range if you don't bane one.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

What does speed even do in this game?

If the speed difference is 5+ the unit with lower speed gets double hit by the one with higher speed. So it's kind of a weird one in that a lot of units are in a really weird spot for it-- like if your speed is 17 base or something at level 40 you're getting doubled by everything no matter what you do so just pick it as your as your -stat and go with it. Alternatively, a lot of units are borderline fast with say like 34 or 35 speed base, and getting -spd on them practically wastes the stat since you're never going to double anything with em.
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Speed is the most important stat in the game. While some units don't care for it (mostly armors), the majority of units live and die by speed. It's the best defensive and offensive stat because it both lets you double and prevents you from being doubled.
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Sorry if I missed it but what could be preventing me from merging allies? I have 3 Jargens and I can't use any of them for a merge.
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Are you tapping the "lose" or "gain" square before selecting the character you want to put in the spot?
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Nope lol
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I would not merge Jagen. He has good skills to give to other units and 4* merged characters aren't worth it.
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I forgot to mention before that if you promote a unit to a higher star level, you lose all the "+1" levels. That means you should only go for 4*+10 units if you are sure you never want to use them as a 5* unit. Never try and add "+1" leves to 3* or lower units. There's never any point to doing that.
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Lopen posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Barring extreme circumstances, I don't think any unit in the game wants -Atk.

I think a lot of balanced tanks can get good use out of it if you play the unit in the right way-- a lot of them if you compromise one of the two defensive stats it makes them too weak against the unit type you're dropping the lower defensive stat on.

Like I'm almost considering keeping Grima Robin F's nature at +Spd/-Atk even if I draw a "better" nature later because I feel like tanking her Res or Def makes her a bit too weak against whichever one you drop and she hits kinda hard with Expiration's passive and base 16 Atk with -Atk anyway. Only reason I'm on the fence is I already have a colorless tank so it'd be a bit redundant. But man it feels like such a waste to bring her base defense to 26 or base res to 22 when her A skill is so good and puts them both at the 30 range if you don't bane one.

this is the one circumstance where you want an HP bane - high spd unit that still wants both defenses
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Xuxon posted...

this is the one circumstance where you want an HP bane

I guess that's actually true. Point of an actual tank unit is more to weather multiple attacks rather than being able to survive a burst (provided you aren't literally getting one shot very often), so the relative value of more HP goes down.

So +SPD/-HP is the dream I guess. I'd probably also take +ATK/-HP when I think about it.

But if I don't get any of those and my options are my current +SPD/-ATK vs say +ATK/-DEF or -RES? That would be a thinker.

Still think Matthew is best as I have him though-- he really can't tank magic users remotely passably by compromising defensive stats at all because of his relatively lower base res and it's not like his attack power is any good even if he's +Atk.
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I read FRobin is unique in that she can be built as an offensive dragon, and since you already have a colorless tank, you could consider giving her LnD and make her a player phase nuke
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Huh

That actually is a pretty interesting idea. Even with L&D she wouldn't be one shot by much things at all and it's put her attack stats through the roof.

Course I'll need an actual good nature to consider it, but it is a neat idea despite me not being terribly keen of L&D in general.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

I forgot to mention before that if you promote a unit to a higher star level, you lose all the "+1" levels. That means you should only go for 4*+10 units if you are sure you never want to use them as a 5* unit. Never try and add "+1" leves to 3* or lower units. There's never any point to doing that.

Well double shit. I merged someone that I intend to upgrade and merged 2 Jagens >.<
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Lopen posted...

Huh

That actually is a pretty interesting idea. Even with L&D she wouldn't be one shot by many things at all and it's put her attack stats through the roof.

Course I'll need an actual good nature to consider it, but it is a neat idea despite me not being terribly keen of L&D in general and really hating to get rid of her awesome Dragonskin on A.

She benefits from dragon and flier buffs, so if you have either of those, she can get pretty scary
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2 Reinhardts from Bridal Bloom so far.
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