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Leafeon13N posted...

Right now I'm actually waiting to get to my pc to sort some numbers to see if the game is actually over.

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ScareChan posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Right now I'm actually waiting to get to my pc to sort some numbers to see if the game is actually over.

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please explain Red
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ScareChan posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Right now I'm actually waiting to get to my pc to sort some numbers to see if the game is actually over.

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(panth 1)
6. Panthera

(11)
1. TheSultanOfSlam
3. IfGodCouldDie
7. Mzero11
8. pjbasis
12. Leafeon13N (red13N/Red)
14. DoubleTangicide
16. HanOfTheNekos
17. Crescent-Moon
18. Edumey
20. Benjamin3740
21. htaeD (Death)

(6)
4. ColZach
10. ChaosTonyV4
11. turbopuns2
13. Forceful_Dragon
19. ScareChan
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

6 confirmed, 4 scum remaining, 11 unconfirmed
kill panth, hes scum
5, 3, 11,
mislynch
4, 3 9,
mislynch
3, 3, 8
mislynch
2, 3, 7
mislynch
1, 3, 6
mislynch
1, 3, 5
mislynch
1, 3, 4
mislynch
0, 3, 3 lose

i was honestly curious how hard we had to try. The answer is we still have to try.
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Thats assuming panth is scum btw. Which became a lot harder on us because someone roleblocked him when he was probably trapped.

(All we learned was hes not roleblocker. No scumteam was going to have panth send a kill in that situation)
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Well that was entirely underwhelming and changed my thoughts on you none.

Panth not being role blocker I would like to hear theories on what scum was doing sending block and panth ro Tony night 1
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turbopuns2 posted...

Well that was entirely underwhelming and changed my thoughts on you none.

That was just part of the thought process. It wasnt a where to go.
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Why would it even occur to you to wonder if we have to try

DoubleTangicide posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Right now I'm actually waiting to get to my pc to sort some numbers to see if the game is actually over.

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please explain Red

Tange do you have any thoughts on anything, I feel like you have been asked this a lot and the answer has not been enlightening
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Movies be back later
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ScareChan posted...

Panth not being role blocker I would like to hear theories on what scum was doing sending block and panth ro Tony night 1

I mean red already mentioned unblockable roleblocker

I've seen unblockable roles before, with the modifier "Strongwilled"

ScareChan posted...

Movies be back later

its like 11pm and random movies wtf scare.
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Current Votals

[2] - Panth - Tony, Zach

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends 11:00 PM EDT on Friday.
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One option is that Panthera just didnt visit Tony night 1 at all and instead either visited Plum to kill him or tried to kill another. We have no evidence for Panthera going to Tony, that was just his reaction claim when Scare told him he admitted to visiting Plum. And Panthera has never ever been confident that he blocked a kill for some reason. He thought i was "a bit weird" for even saying there was a doc save night 1
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benjamin3740 posted...

One option is that Panthera just didnt visit Tony night 1 at all and instead either visited Plum to kill him or tried to kill another. We have no evidence for Panthera going to Tony, that was just his reaction claim when Scare told him he admitted to visiting Plum. And Panthera has never ever been confident that he blocked a kill for some reason. He thought i was "a bit weird" for even saying there was a doc save night 1

Why would panth, or anyone, be confident that Panth saved a kill?

turbopuns2 posted...

Well that was entirely underwhelming and changed my thoughts on you none.

Also if you are expecting a great answer here I don't have one. The best I could give, on the spot, is that we have basically two options. Lynch panth, who is still very likely scum, or give him another day to prove himself and cut down an inactive(We know hes not RBer now, so this is a much more reasonable option than it was before).

1. TheSultanOfSlam
3. IfGodCouldDie
7. Mzero11
8. pjbasis
14. DoubleTangicide
18. Edumey
21. htaeD (Death)

Its a pretty large inactive list and I was actually even waffling with putting Han on or off of it but this game has honestly been pretty on par with my recent recollection of his activity(Basically, I think hes actually tried in limited time). The list is pretty much a nonfactor list and guaranteed to have 2, if not even 3 scum in it.
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benjamin3740 posted...

One option is that Panthera just didnt visit Tony night 1 at all and instead either visited Plum to kill him or tried to kill another. We have no evidence for Panthera going to Tony, that was just his reaction claim when Scare told him he admitted to visiting Plum. And Panthera has never ever been confident that he blocked a kill for some reason. He thought i was "a bit weird" for even saying there was a doc save night 1

And why I would not claim my actual target when I thought I had been tracked? If I were scum, I would have known Puns was lying, remember (unless you think the scum team literally sent their detective to scan a guy they were janitoring the same night), so his bluff on Leo would not have made me think Scare didn't track me. I would have known it was a bluff, been sure Scare was tracker, and claimed my real target. Believing I didn't visit Tony does not make sense.

I've never been confident I blocked a kill because I do not know for sure if scum even had an extra kill because I am not scum. Your immediate assumption that there was a save despite one night kill happening struck me as odd precisely because as the guy who saved Tony, even I had no way of knowing if I had achieved anything. I've always maintained it's possible I blocked a kill, but impossible to know for sure and not worth beaming about (to use Corrik's terms) regardless because I don't beam. Meanwhile, you seemed sure a save had happened...which if scum shot Tony, it did, but only scum would know that for sure.
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Panthera posted...

Tange do you have any thoughts on anything, I feel like you have been asked this a lot and the answer has not been enlightening

I mean I'm a hell of a lot less convinced you're scum now, if that's any consolation. It's obviously still possible, but the fact that both you and tony claim to have been blocked and we have our jailkeeper visiting you, means that you couldn't have blocked tony last night.

I also Corrik's words about Sultan being scum if you aren't
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red, do you honestly think scum is hiding in inactives?
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Panthera posted...

And why I would not claim my actual target when I thought I had been tracked? If I were scum, I would have known Puns was lying, remember (unless you think the scum team literally sent their detective to scan a guy they were janitoring the same night), so his bluff on Leo would not have made me think Scare didn't track me. I would have known it was a bluff, been sure Scare was tracker, and claimed my real target. Believing I didn't visit Tony does not make sense.

Hmmm....

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Masterplum has been killed. However the Mafia team used a Janitor ability so no one gets to know his role.

DoubleTangicide posted...

I mean I'm a hell of a lot less convinced you're scum now, if that's any consolation. It's obviously still possible, but the fact that both you and tony claim to have been blocked and we have our jailkeeper visiting you, means that you couldn't have blocked tony last night.

I also Corrik's words about Sultan being scum if you aren't

What was Corrik's argument about me being town making Sultan likely scum, again?
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turbopuns2 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

One option is that Panthera just didnt visit Tony night 1 at all and instead either visited Plum to kill him or tried to kill another. We have no evidence for Panthera going to Tony, that was just his reaction claim when Scare told him he admitted to visiting Plum. And Panthera has never ever been confident that he blocked a kill for some reason. He thought i was "a bit weird" for even saying there was a doc save night 1

Why would panth, or anyone, be confident that Panth saved a kill?

Because he claims to have thrown out a doc save night one, so I wouldnt expect him to be the one to question my post calling out a save
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turbopuns2 posted...

Panthera posted...

And why I would not claim my actual target when I thought I had been tracked? If I were scum, I would have known Puns was lying, remember (unless you think the scum team literally sent their detective to scan a guy they were janitoring the same night), so his bluff on Leo would not have made me think Scare didn't track me. I would have known it was a bluff, been sure Scare was tracker, and claimed my real target. Believing I didn't visit Tony does not make sense.

Hmmm....

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Masterplum has been killed. However the Mafia team used a Janitor ability so no one gets to know his role.

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Okay I forgot that phrasing and would not have assumed it was 100% literal even if I did remember it
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DoubleTangicide posted...

red, do you honestly think scum is hiding in inactives?

Its literally guaranteed at this point.
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RogueNoble posted...

I'm sorry I kind of had a tantrum, Puns. I really thought you were gonna leave it the whole day because you had a hunch. You really only deserved one of those "fuck yous," at worst. It's just a bit of a sore spot for me when there's a fake scan and the peanut gallery gets maximum smug and it feels like nothing I do will ever matter. I do think it was a town move, so if nothing else I have that. I think some scum is probably among the people who "believed" you, since there was some real claim hungry people. Even young innocent Death, who somehow both believed the scan but wanted me to claim. Compare that to someone like Crescent, who was irritating but seemed like she whole hardedly wanted me to die because of the scan and I doubt a claim would have mattered to her.

HMMM

(I admit I'm being kinda silly here I just remembered those things and I'm a little slap happy right now and conspiracies are fun so let me be silly)

If it wasn't clear, my (mostly joke) theory is scum did in fact have a janitor that didn't tell them the name by default, and knowing they were blocking the watcher, they used their detective to get plum's role. In which case Leo really DID target plum.

And no, I've never seen a janitor who doesn't tell mafia the role, but Chris HAS been pretty forthcoming with information this game (such as, I've never before seen a mayor or lawyer actually reveal which player used it.)

Panthera posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

One option is that Panthera just didnt visit Tony night 1 at all and instead either visited Plum to kill him or tried to kill another. We have no evidence for Panthera going to Tony, that was just his reaction claim when Scare told him he admitted to visiting Plum. And Panthera has never ever been confident that he blocked a kill for some reason. He thought i was "a bit weird" for even saying there was a doc save night 1

And why I would not claim my actual target when I thought I had been tracked? If I were scum, I would have known Puns was lying, remember (unless you think the scum team literally sent their detective to scan a guy they were janitoring the same night), so his bluff on Leo would not have made me think Scare didn't track me. I would have known it was a bluff, been sure Scare was tracker, and claimed my real target. Believing I didn't visit Tony does not make sense.

I've never been confident I blocked a kill because I do not know for sure if scum even had an extra kill because I am not scum. Your immediate assumption that there was a save despite one night kill happening struck me as odd precisely because as the guy who saved Tony, even I had no way of knowing if I had achieved anything. I've always maintained it's possible I blocked a kill, but impossible to know for sure and not worth beaming about (to use Corrik's terms) regardless because I don't beam. Meanwhile, you seemed sure a save had happened...which if scum shot Tony, it did, but only scum would know that for sure.

If you knew Puns wasnt tracker then why would for certain believe Scare and fall for his trap of claiming you visited Plum? Wouldn't you claim something you can actually recover from and hope Scare isnt tracker instead of just sealing your doom?

Like I said, I threw the comment out to get reactions. As scum I'm not going to just out myself as scum like that by saying such things for no reason.
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I just really distrust Jack claims because their versatility of convenience can be used to by scum to spin any lie, and they are never going to be counter claimed as a real Jack of all trades is already so rare (At least in games I've played. Does Chris typically use the role a lot?)

To be honest though, now that I no longer see the scenario where he's roleblocker, the Masonizer is such a juicy claim that it makes me totally fine with leaving Panth alive another night to see if he can get it off. I feel like there isnt a scenario where we learn nothing UNLESS HE GETS ROLEBLOCKED BY TOWN AGAIN... I just have to fight this because I don't want Panth to end up scum and him to get the satisfaction of his fake claim working on me.
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versatility of convenience, what the hell did I just say right there lol
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turbopuns2 posted...

If it wasn't clear, my (mostly joke) theory is scum did in fact have a janitor that didn't tell them the name by default, and knowing they were blocking the watcher, they used their detective to get plum's role. In which case Leo really DID target plum.

And no, I've never seen a janitor who doesn't tell mafia the role, but Chris HAS been pretty forthcoming with information this game (such as, I've never before seen a mayor or lawyer actually reveal which player used it.)

I suppose that is technically possible but I wouldn't really count on it.

benjamin3740 posted...

If you knew Puns wasnt tracker then why would for certain believe Scare and fall for his trap of claiming you visited Plum? Wouldn't you claim something you can actually recover from and hope Scare isnt tracker instead of just sealing your doom?

...what? I never thought Scare was claiming I visited Plum until he suggested it (which I thought meant he was actually something like a non-confirming prosty, since he clearly knew I had moved, as scum I'd know he couldn't have meant that since it didn't happen). If I were scum and Scare hinted at tracking me, I'd claim my real target just to play it safe, especially since it was a power role who lived and claiming jack with doc save is a plausible excuse (the irony of my legit action being something scum could reasonably be expected to try claiming is not lost on me). Hoping Scare isn't tracker is not how I would proceed, especially when the only reason to think he wasn't is something I'd know wasn't true if I were scum. Again, if I were scum I would know Puns wasn't tracker (unless his wacky no reveal janitor theory is true <_<) but I would have no reason to think Scare wasn't.

benjamin3740 posted...

Like I said, I threw the comment out to get reactions. As scum I'm not going to just out myself as scum like that by saying such things for no reason.

Ben, do you think Leo just outed himself as scum by saying random things for no reason? Hell, since you think I'm scum, do you think I just decided to out myself with stuff other people would find scummy? Or do you think we made an effort to sound like town and simply made mistakes? I'm not mocking your level of play or intelligence or anything here, scum outs themselves by making mistakes that come from trying and failing to sound like town that was genuinely fishing for reactions, genuinely pressuring people, etc.
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In my conspiracy theory, death and crescent are scum.

Scum Death believed my "scan" because it was right, and the reason he wanted Leo to claim was to hopefully get the heat off his buddy and advance the day.

Scum Crescent was so adamant about Leo being scum because she also "knew" my "scan" was real and brought the hammer down on Leo to cash in town points. It also explains her being sure to mention how Leo's behavior was so scummy she "didn't even care" once I confessed it was a bluff.

Man this is a fun one!

Panthera posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

If you knew Puns wasnt tracker then why would for certain believe Scare and fall for his trap of claiming you visited Plum? Wouldn't you claim something you can actually recover from and hope Scare isnt tracker instead of just sealing your doom?

...what? I never thought Scare was claiming I visited Plum until he suggested it (which I thought meant he was actually something like a non-confirming prosty, since he clearly knew I had moved, as scum I'd know he couldn't have meant that since it didn't happen). If I were scum and Scare hinted at tracking me, I'd claim my real target just to play it safe, especially since it was a power role who lived and claiming jack with doc save is a plausible excuse (the irony of my legit action being something scum could reasonably be expected to try claiming is not lost on me). Hoping Scare isn't tracker is not how I would proceed, especially when the only reason to think he wasn't is something I'd know wasn't true if I were scum. Again, if I were scum I would know Puns wasn't tracker (unless his wacky no reveal janitor theory is true <_<) but I would have no reason to think Scare wasn't.

In my example theory, your real target scum target was indeed Tony, so how are you trying to tell me that as scum you would go along with Scare and say you targeted Plum, when you admit here that you would say you targeted Tony? Wasn't that my point since the beginning?

And it's weird that you are giving examples of yourself as scum with this exact jack role, since you wouldnt be doc saving anyone as scum in the first place, so the whole thing makes little sense and sounds like it's coming from a fake perspective.

benjamin3740 posted...

Like I said, I threw the comment out to get reactions. As scum I'm not going to just out myself as scum like that by saying such things for no reason.

Ben, do you think Leo just outed himself as scum by saying random things for no reason? Hell, since you think I'm scum, do you think I just decided to out myself with stuff other people would find scummy? Or do you think we made an effort to sound like town and simply made mistakes? I'm not mocking your level of play or intelligence or anything here, scum outs themselves by making mistakes that come from trying and failing to sound like town that was genuinely fishing for reactions, genuinely pressuring people, etc.

Mistakes are accidents, and I dont know how my clutch doc save post could be read as an accidental slip.
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Good lord I almost got myself mod killed last night cause you guys ended day early. I would have exploded with rage if I actually posted while catching up >_>

Also for the record since someone talked about me posting at 4am I live in Asia so the time zones are a little off!
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benjamin3740 posted...

Mistakes are accidents, and I dont know how my clutch doc save post could be read as an accidental slip.

It doesn't have to be a slip. It could just be a thing where you thought it sounded good but you were wrong
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Also why is red calling Zach confirmed? Did I miss something?
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benjamin3740 posted...

In my example theory, your real target scum target was indeed Tony, so how are you trying to tell me that as scum you would go along with Scare and say you targeted Plum, when you admit here that you would say you targeted Tony? Wasn't that my point since the beginning?

...what are you talking about. I never said I targeted Plum. When Scare suggested that he thought I had admitted to having targeted Plum, I corrected him by saying no, I had admitted to targeting Tony. I targeted Tony. If I were scum here, I would claim that I targeted Tony because I'd assume Scare was tracker and thus could kill me 100% if I lied about my target. I have always been entirely clear on the fact that if I targeted Tony (which my reaction to Scare makes very clear I did), I would claim to have done so.

benjamin3740 posted...

And it's weird that you are giving examples of yourself as scum with this exact jack role, since you wouldnt be doc saving anyone as scum in the first place, so the whole thing makes little sense and sounds like it's coming from a fake perspective.

That's because it obviously isn't my perspective, my perspective is that I'm town jack because that's what I am. I'm trying to explain to people who do not have my perspective why they should not entertain your theory that I didn't target Tony at all. From the perspective of other town, my alignment is not known, but it is very obvious that I assumed I had been tracked. Thus, I would claim my actual target. I am giving examples of myself as scum to help explain my point, because town has reason to question whether or not I'm telling the truth, and so I am pointing out that even if you think I'm scum, thinking I lied about my target doesn't add up. Scum knows I'm town and thus knows I'm telling the truth, so making sure the game knows who I targeted is simply helping make sure town has full information to help decide what to think about me. Acknowledging that my real role is something scum might fake in this scenario is just something that amuses me.

benjamin3740 posted...

Mistakes are accidents, and I dont know how my clutch doc save post could be read as an accidental slip.

It's not about being an accident or a slip or anything, it's about misjudging how your words come across and how much of your mindset they actually reveal. I don't see why I shouldn't try to figure out if that's what you did.
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MZero11 posted...

Also why is red calling Zach confirmed? Did I miss something?

day 1
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MZero is playing this game?
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Panthera posted...

MZero hasn't made me think he's scum yet so that's a good thing, plus he had an interaction with Han day 1 that I kind of liked. Basically he asked Han for an opinion on FD immediately after Han gave an opinion on FD, then said after he was wanting to know why. Little hard to put into words but it kind of felt genuine to me, it's not a hard read but it makes him a bit lower priority than some others in this group.

You posted this yesterday!
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Now why do you have time to dig up something I said about you to "disprove" a statement you know wasn't literal confusion, but not time to do anything to make me etch your brilliant analysis into my mind forever as the shining example to which I shall always hold myself, ever lamenting my inability to match your genius?
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turbopuns2 posted...

In my conspiracy theory, death and crescent are scum.

Scum Death believed my "scan" because it was right, and the reason he wanted Leo to claim was to hopefully get the heat off his buddy and advance the day.

Scum Crescent was so adamant about Leo being scum because she also "knew" my "scan" was real and brought the hammer down on Leo to cash in town points. It also explains her being sure to mention how Leo's behavior was so scummy she "didn't even care" once I confessed it was a bluff.

Man this is a fun one!

Even if I were to disregard the fact that you're already wrong about me. I dont think this conspiracy pans out (for Crescent). Since it sounded to me like Leo knew from the start that your scan was a bluff, and he was angry that people were falling for it. Its the exact same feeling I got from when Mzero bluffed against him in Blade Mafia.

Even if for some reason scums janitor did not get the role of their target, then they would have no idea which role Plum actually was when they used a detective scan on him. And I doubt their janitor is that weak anyway.

So in my eyes Leo must have visited someone else, and anyone who was scum with him must have known Puns was bluffing. I find it much more interesting to look at those who were defending Leo day2.
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Also trusting Mzero for his day1 stuff is a dangerous venture.
Dude always starts strong as scum and then just loses steam along the way. He hasnt done anything all day2, and that says a lot more to me.
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I didn't really have to dig, I just remembered it from yesterday!

No one is really around and I'm at work on mobile sooooo i don't really want to go digging through old topics right now

So Panth let's talk what do you think of Han?
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htaeD posted...

He hasnt done anything all day2, and that says a lot more to me.

I think I worked/slept through like 80% of Day 2 >_>
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MZero11 posted...

I didn't really have to dig, I just remembered it from yesterday!

No one is really around and I'm at work on mobile sooooo i don't really want to go digging through old topics right now

So Panth let's talk what do you think of Han?

Your memory is better than mine then.

Han I feel cautiously towny about. He had a fair bit of what felt like genuine reads on day 1 that I can remember, wasn't here much day 2 but that's what happens when you end day early, you make people lurking and people legit not having time indistinguishable. He's had a fair number of town or likely town players on his scum list at times, but the reasons usually seem like a real effort when he actually gives them. I'm not great at reading him so I don't feel super confident about it, but push comes to shove I'd say he's probably town.

Why Han in particular?
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turbopuns2 posted...

In my conspiracy theory, death and crescent are scum.

Scum Death believed my "scan" because it was right, and the reason he wanted Leo to claim was to hopefully get the heat off his buddy and advance the day.

Scum Crescent was so adamant about Leo being scum because she also "knew" my "scan" was real and brought the hammer down on Leo to cash in town points. It also explains her being sure to mention how Leo's behavior was so scummy she "didn't even care" once I confessed it was a bluff.

Man this is a fun one!

yeah we need to pressure cresent today
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thinking

if scum has a bus driver ability

panth swapped with [?] last night

panth blocks tony

panth claims blocked because eaed claimed his action first
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red13n posted...

ScareChan posted...

Movies be back later

its like 11pm and random movies wtf scare.

Wife wanted to see Spy who dumped me, they had a 1030. we usually do late movies
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Well now that panth is not lynched

I think the 'correct' move is to let him live today

eaed does NOT jailkeep him and we force him to mason

if no one claims mason tomorrow or if he claims he masons the dead guy then we auto lynch
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##Vote: Sultan

I think Sultan looked really bad yesterday and he deserves to be looked at
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