Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 41: Gysahl Shop gets good someday

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hmmm what USB to get

3/11 on the draw

Squall AOSB
Gafgarion LM
Ace LM

now what to pick hmmm
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oh, Divine Veil Grimoire, yeah that is an easy pick
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Is there any reason to pull on LM/BSB/OSB?

Like is the a soul break available that is viewed as needed?

I feel like I already have a great many of them.
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BSB no (if Ignis was available and they hadn't set the $5 precedent i could see it for that)
OSB is like, maybe for Orlandu only if you didn't already have it

if you're choosing god wall then there's probably some LMRs that are worth it
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I already have Orlandu OSB

which LM would you say?

I have OK's instacast thing and Tyro's
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All dualcast LMRs for characters you use often are worth considering, to start.

Me I'm currently deciding between two lesser thought of ones. Setzer's (this would actually make my Setzer complete aside from one SSB-- longer debuff duration seems important if you juggle that many breaks) and Sazh's (haste + instant cast 1. thing is I haven't been using Sazh as my buffer all that often lately)
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like, i would say just about any dualcast LMR on a good DPS is better than Tyro's USB. or en-element LMR on a CSB holder.
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Got exdeaths unique SB on the daily. Already have his USB though, so the SB itself isn't useful. Tossing it in the vault to use for legendary weapon fodder.

Torn between the two USBs on the select thing (though haven't done the draw yet). OK's mUSB and God Wall. I have pUSB and it's in all of my 3* magicite runs. Now that I'm going to start on 4* shortly, and I have a couple magic chains (lightning and ice, as well as physical water, all Gen 1 I think), I thought it may help. As well as in all other content that discourages physical teams for whatever reason (and 5* magicite later). God Wall because obvious reasons. Will mull that over for a bit.

The FF4 banner is intriguing as it has a few good top prizes. Even Porom's USB looks quite good. Looks like quite a few duds though.
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So I'm conflicted on whether I want Vivi USB or Maria USB

Pros to Vivi
- I like Vivi more (but I like both)
- Better record dive to buff his use out of the box
- I dislike most Fire based magic users (he and Vincent and Rubicante (lol) are the only ones I like that I recall) so getting him up to snuff will probably need to happen someday
- Have his Overstrike which may be useful for breaking magicite fury mode
- FFIX needs a lot more help than FFII for me

Pros to Maria
- More immediately useful focus element for Behemoth
- I have her LMR
- More likely to get supplemental relics for her like her Arcane without trying
- Earth bonus magic bow is more useful as gear than yet another Fire Staff
- You're Not Alone banner 2 has some appeal to actually draw from if I don't get Vivi here
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I'm leaning Vivi as he's more useful in other elements (and has higher potential overall I think). What does your BK team look like now? Also is Maria's LMR dualcast or en-earth?
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Its En-earth

My BK Team looks like...

Rydia (have her en earth burst and Overstrike + full dive)
Vivi/Maria
??? Guy to break enrages? Tellah?
Sara
Minwu

It's going to be a rough clear either way. I mean maybe I should just toss in the towel on the pipe dream of clearing him for now and not consider it but *shrug. I wanna give it a try.
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I guess when you put it that way though Vivi is a decent way to hedge my bets in that if I can't beat the Behemoth I at least didn't "waste" since he may be useful in 5 other elements (well 4 probably my Ice caster team is pretty stacked without him). Could always get Maria on a later one too.
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You'll most likely run out of hones before you kill KB with that team due to lack of damage without a chain or Edge SSB2 and 2/3 level 99 Hades. Especially with two healers. And Burst commands probably won't get the job done before KB enrages. Rydia's OSB isn't going to help much either outside of finishing him off since you want KB in savage mode because he's slower and takes more damage.
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That's...rough. If you have OK mUSB or something similar for the third slot it might be doable, but you'll have to hone the shit out of some earth magic. And I wouldn't worry too much about breaking BK's savage mode if you run 2 healers.

Honestly I think your best bet would be to take Vivi and see how he fares against BK. That'll give you an idea if Maria would mean the difference between a clear or not.
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Vivi is literally better than Maria at earth damage while his trance is active, assuming you have an earth boosting rod or staff for him and don't have Maria's AOSB or glint. granted it's not much of a difference unless Maria is going significantly over cap or you have Vivi's LMR1. and it only lasts 25 seconds.
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3/11 on USB select

Reks LMR
Celes BSB2 dupe
Shadow USB

I have Shadow's LMR, so that could be a solid combo. Now to decide which USB I want...
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Lol. Yeah I didnt need Minwu's Ultra 2 to do this and could maybe make it more efficient but too much of a headache to bother. I'll take my one kill to unlock 5* Magicite and move on. Can sub 30 Siren without any relevant dark magicite anyway
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Nice!! I'm going to give my first 4* magicite a shot today. Either maralith, since I have tidus's chain (and USB), and Bartz's USB 1 and 2. Any ideas on how to proceed with those two?
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Marilith isn't anything too complicated if you have the damage to kill her efficiently it's mostly about timing your healing Ultras. She will slam you with multiple aoes in a row, many reduce fire resist and ignore resist. Around the 20 second mark she does one and you need to pop an ultra just after it cause she'll do another right after and wipe you out.

If you have last stand there's more margin for error there. Just liberally abuse waiting for her to pop your last stand and immediately using a healing ultra.

In a longer clear in the minute range there are a lot more times where she goes back to back on terrible AoEs (and the fire resist drops start mattering) and you've gotta be careful you have the meter to deal with those. With your soul breaks you should be able to kill fairly efficiently though.
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I used Rosa's USB for all of my 3* clears. No last stand, but it does have magic blink. Not sure what ultras I have that have last stand, so I'd have to look, but with Rosa's help?
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Rosa's even better than last stand since she can avoid the savage imperils (just pray Marilith doesn't use mustard bombs though) Tidus and Bartz are also who I use for my sub30 team, along with OK and Shelke.
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Hers should be fine as Savage Firaga can be blinked (I assume? Unless it uses weird rules like runic but that seems unlikely)

Basically as long as you use an ultra that can take 2 AOEs on its own after a use (blink = avoid one, and then the one when you're topped off won't one shot you) you should be fine as long as you time the Ultras right so that you can stick one in after get nuked. Last stand just makes timing them a bit easier. I used Minwu's Ultra which basically does the same thing as a blink with all the overheal.

Assuming Rosa's blink works it should give you less of a headache with the imperils too so yeah it probably won't be too bad for you if you have a good magicite setup and fire resist gear. Her only real annoying trick is a physical attack that whacks several random targets and can interrupt. That can be irritating for the damage variance and the interrupts, but other than that it's just being able to survive AOE spam while killing her.
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I beat Maliris with

Rosa - Ultra Cure/Prot/USB
Aeris - Curada/Shell/USB2
Bartz - Engulfing/Stormspell/USB/USB2/Glint/Water BSB
Wakka - Wrath/Sapphire Shot/USB
OK - Lifesiphon/Magic Breakdown/pUSB/OSB

It wasn't quick, but i was never really in any danger
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I normally DMT and MM on OK and Shelke. Though I assume I should use ace striker on Shelke, and MM or DMT on Rosa?
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If you have a decently honed Curada Rosa should be able to get you through the first bit till she gets her first bar with just Curadas. It's something to consider if you start getting overwhelmed later but I wouldn't do it to start. Try the standard strategy first
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I put ace striker on Rosa and wrath, have Shelke with Mako Might and entrust that to Tidus so he can start his chain early.

Also are you using OK as a entrust bot or water ninja?
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Pretty cool. That's DWhale. Very close to the 40% bonus there but only got the 50%. Some refining of the strategy could probably win. Honestly just putting Celes on the team instead of Setzer may make a decent difference in terms of output but I feel the survivability from his breaks has some value as I only have Relm's burst not her Ultra so I dunno.

Mog Center + Celes bottom instead of Celes might be the right way here. Or maybe even Relm center.
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

I put ace striker on Rosa and wrath, have Shelke with Mako Might and entrust that to Tidus so he can start his chain early.

Also are you using OK as a entrust bot or water ninja?

That's what I normally have gone with. Shelke is my entrust bot, and OK goes water ninja. Rosa has wrath and protectga. OK will likely have to carry shellga also though, as liquid flame was mostly physical and gravity, but maralith is mixed. I normally protectga, then wrath with rosa until USB. But f maralith is opening with a nuke, I don't know if I can afford to wait to heal.
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Lopen posted...

Pretty cool. That's DWhale. Very close to the 40% bonus there but only got the 50%. Some refining of the strategy could probably win. Honestly just putting Celes on the team instead of Setzer may make a decent difference in terms of output but I feel the survivability from his breaks has some value as I only have Relm's burst not her Ultra so I dunno.

Mog Center + Celes bottom instead of Celes might be the right way here. Or maybe even Relm center.

I've been working on that one too, I got to 70%... but my team is very different from yours, aside from also relying on Relm's BSB. The best trick I've found so far is manipulating the early turns to get both Terra and Locke into trance automatically. The fight goes pretty smoothly for a while, but I start to fall behind on healing and then the middle character's doom counter runs out right around the time the second sleep attack hits characters 1&5, and that's pretty tough to recover from.

I saw someone on reddit saying you can preempt the second sleep by blowing through that phase completely with ASBs, but sadly I don't have any ASBs for VI.
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I actually don't bring shellga to Marilith since most of her spells are piercing anyway, but if you feel the need to still bring shellga it's probably better to have OK use chain wataga (or Voltech if you have it) on his second slot to help build the chain, or use him as a second healer.

Once you get more defensive Magicite you should have more leeway to go more offensive on her.
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Got a 5* today. Papalymo Unique. It beats a 1*-4*, if nothing else.
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Kaxon posted...

but I start to fall behind on healing and then the middle character's doom counter runs out right around the time the second sleep attack hits characters 1&5, and that's pretty tough to recover from.

Yeah that's what cooked me too.

Fun trick I thought of is if you're running Mog you can put him center with the start with full ATB RM and have him jump immediately to avoid Doom Strike. Thing is if I do that the damage piles on a bit too fast as I rely on Mog to stabilize me early with his burst's backup healing and he can't have Dr Mog's teachings with the full ATB on.

I think I'm just gonna wait till the next FFVI banner I plan to draw on. That should give me more options with any luck, including the "plow through the second sleep" idea being on the table with 3 Arcane Overstrikes being on it. Also the 6* Fire Imperil Machinist should help a lot when it comes out.

That I was able to get him to 57% damage with my weird teamcomp and resources is cool enough for me for now. Not like I'm out of rubies yet.
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The jump trick is a cool idea, but I don't have anything for Mog and my other characters are too good to take out (I have USBs for Terra, Celes, Locke, and Sabin). So yeah, that future banner definitely looks nice with the ASBs for both Locke and Sabin. I do really wish I could get Terra's though.
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Holy shit, Maliris down in 21.27.

Took a few restarts, as always got hit with a second savage firaga around 10-11s and lost some characters. Ended up losing Shelke right after she transferred another bar to Tidus for his USB, but stuck it out. Baaaaarely got in another USB of his RIGHT before his chain ran out. Tidus MVP for sure, though Rosa blinking a savage firaga late in the fight (already at 3 imperil) was huge.

Going to farm this a little, to get some of the magicite itself, before moving on.
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Down to 19.57. Once I get the dampen fire from Isgebind, I should be even more comfortable. Rosa normally blinks two savage firagas, so as long as I don't get two AOEs in a row around the 10s mark, I'm basically good to go.
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You don't need Terra's AOSB with her Awakening in the future, her damage is so crazy with it she helped people who couldn't beat Wrexsoul and Maticore before to easy sub30s.

I got Arc's unquie from the daily draw, shame it was a really old relic but it does provide a resistance buff so maybe it will be useful in torment like Strago's super?
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corridor was fun, first real test of Seph USB2 and Ignis BSB. Seph went dark bargain -> USB -> Crimson Cross x2 -> USB to kill Beatrix, with the second USB hitting for over 300k without a chain and with only 3* dark magicite. i could definitely see 3 hit AOSBs go way down in usage when AASBs come out considering what just happened there.
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Don't forget maintenance is tonight.
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12 Garuda
4 Mimic Queen
2 Ixion

I'm so glad they changed this bs drop system for 5*
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Anyone else pissed about the retirement of the lucky draws? I feel like I got so much of my then good now decent stuff from thos
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They were traps but retiring them completely seems too extreme, they should have just improved them by removing supers and bursts.
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Eh personally it doesn't bother me at all.

Also, is there any chance this means we'll start getting the SSB selection draws? I think that's what JP gets instead of DU lucky draws.

We're also getting the 15 mythril realm draws (which are BSB+, so no SSB).
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

removing supers and bursts.

Yeah I agree lucky draws with all 6* and LMRs/Glints sounds great lol

In all seriousness just removing supers would have been fine.

I will probably do the last one just for a "thanks for the memories" but yeah don't mind em disappearing. Glad that the Newcomer Banners are disappearing though the fact that new player banners were traps pissed me off.

Anyone know if those realm draws change their relic pool as we get more? Might put off drawing on a lot of em until they get more relics if they get expanded pools for more relics released.
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I'm glad the realm LDs are gone. I've been skipping them for a while now, but every now and then I'll pull on a whim and end up regretting it.

On a side note, I was thinking about my potential 5* teams, and something really obvious just occured to me: Behemoth King magicite does physical damage. I was thinking it was a straight physical path and a straight magic path through the 5* bosses, but BK will help my phys lightning team, not magic. This really throws a wrench in my lightning magic team, since I have no way to break his savage mode now, and I'm nowhere near beating Quetzacotl yet.
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Man, I did not expect Water magicites right away.

Apparently Famfrit is one of the easier 5*s, and I have KB, so I may be able to put something together that could work.

Geos on the other hand? I have some Lightning mage tech (Ashe USB and Shantotto USB), but nothing that could break his savage mode, because fuck Quetz.
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Bah, so much for that day 1 sub30...



Honestly other than Savage Tsunami under faith (which does 8000 aoe! WTF, you need magic breakdown or Elara's burst for last stand) the main issue is running out of hones, a r5 tempest snipe on King only lasts for the first half so I'm going to have to make another one, I'm also going to need that lightning ripping blast for OK so Shelke can use Flash Disaster, or probably just drop protectga on OK since he doesn't use many physical attacks and add another celerity skill.

But man I only got 60 Major Lightning orbs... augh.
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Woo hoo! Nevermind I did it! (Sorry for the huge pic, I'm on the bus to work)


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Congrats. I assume USBs and probably full LD on everyone?

Edit: and Prompto chain obv.
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so no ability double banner and we're definitely never getting SSB selects. i don't think i can justify spending on the USB select when they continually fuck us like this (also Cloud USB is gonna be on the free banner).
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Xuxon posted...

so no ability double banner and we're definitely never getting SSB selects

What's that based on specifically?
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