Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 41: Gysahl Shop gets good someday

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I was able to sub 30 the wind and ice magicite while they still gave crystals so it doesn't really matter that I wasn't able to do all 8 of em at that time. I'm still farming the ice crystal stage today.
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Yeah but you also took a lot longer than me to get your first sub30 on a 4* magicite, I got my first sub30 on Marilith 8 months ago and Midgardsormr the month after so I was able to stock up on Earth/Fire crystals early which lets me focus on getting Black and Power crystals on dailies now.
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Yeah I'm sure you're using those extra 60 or so crystals you got well

It's not the end of the world to take a bit longer though.
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Well yeah I got Blastspell Strike to r4 the day it was released, and I also have r4 Chain Firaja and Stonja (though Stonja was mistake in hindsight with how banner RNG screwed me over with no earth mage stuff)
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i didn't start 4* magicite until Yuffie USB2/AOSB came out and i could have R5'd all 3 of those the day the came out
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Looks like I made up those 60 crystals I missed out on by not r4ing a skill I wasn't even sure I could use pre-emptively huh. *taps head knowingly*
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Well I can always pick Maria's USB in the USB dream select.
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Seriously though I wouldn't even say you were that screwed. I have a buddy who made 2.5x as many draws as you on the banner and got bubkiss. That's screwed. 100 mythril and not getting one of the I dunno 4 items you wanted from the banner? It's only slightly unlucky. I had worse luck last fest by far. I realize it's not the only bad luck you've had, but still, you kinda spread yourself too thin if you really wanted to hit home on this banner as well as the previous banners-- and all for what. To do the earth magicite asap? Why not just wait till one that hits your strengths approaches and go for that one instead. I'd imagine your water game has to be better, right? That'll be here in three weeks so no big deal.

Heck if you ignore my last 100 mythril (which was INCREDIBLE with the godly Dark Knight Cecil + Paladin Cecil USB fest and getting both of Seph's toys, and getting Garnet chain on the BSB 500 Gem), my last 600 mythril was like... 500 mythril for Yuffie's USB2 + Rikku's USB + Dark Knight Cecil's Arcane. I got a bit of other peripheral stuff that was slightly useful like Guy's USB but yeah. It was pretty rough.

Just gotta endure and your luck will normalize, in any case.
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Aaaaaaand Behemoth King down in like 58 seconds.

Maria USB/BSB/Glint
Elarra USB
Rinoa BUSB/Glint/LMR
OK mUSB
Sarah USB

On a related note, I now have R5 Meltdown, R4 Chain Stoneja, and 3 copies of Chain Stonega...and literally my last remaining ability killed him.
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115 mythril and around 20 bucks of gems, and there was a lot of stuff I wanted, the 5 discos, Maria's LM/Glint, Rinoa's earth infusion LM or an extra Emperor BSB for an earth boosting rod. Even Cinque's stuff would have been decent for the T-0 torment. Pretty much everything except Galuf and Penelo's BSBs would have been good but of course crappy RNG had to give me those two dupes and Red XIII's LM without the chain which might as well be worthless.

And I'm not sure why you're trying to shame for spending mythril on previous banners like FF8, since I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone since my FF8 stuff was a bit lacking for the torment, just getting Rinoa's glint or dualcast LM would have been a boon for my earth mage team. That's the big problem with the game's expensive gacha system is having to juggle planned pulls for torments and 5* magicite (both Physical/Magic elements to boot)

Also do I have to remind you I did seven pulls last fest on Banner 1 and only got 1 disco? Heck lets just count how much mythril went down the toilet over the last 5~ months.

150 on Type-0 (1/11 all of King's relics EXCEPT his USB, the only relic of his that matters)
350 on Summer fest Banner 1 (though you can remove 50 for Orlandeau USB)
25 on the Boys Are Back (all I got was a useless Sephiroth OSB dupe)
80~ on this fest's RoP
115~ on Autumn fest Banner 1

And yes I did want to do the Lightning magicite ASAP for the two inherit slots and Fast Act 10 from Quetzalcoatl. And the water BOSSES are next month, and lightning is my worst element so I'll have to skip that unless I get miracles on the daily draw.
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Have to say I'm feeling kinda discouraged at this point. I'm just nowhere close to beating these Magicites, and based on some of the clears I've seen people posting it seems like maybe the problem is I'm just bad, but I spent hours trying tonight without much progress. I did get some good pulls on ROP but between 400 mythril on Quinoa and Banner 1 I got almost none of the stuff I actually wanted. I have 50 more now thanks to the bonuses and dungeons we got but I'm not sure where to spend it or if even a good pull will be enough to make a difference.
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Hmm, well, after I wrote that I did spend the 50 on the earth banner and I got Red XIII's chain and LMR, and Penelo's BSB. So I guess we'll see if that's enough to get me over the hump. Still bummed I got nothing for Rinoa, but this is easily my best pull since the first one (when I got Laguna's chain, my only other 6* in 450 mythril)
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Feel like you're missing some draws made there. You should definitely have more Mythril if you only spent the 150 on Type 0 since last time. I spent down to basically 0 after last fest (was at 20 or so after the FFIV banner) and have 340 right now. Also haven't touched realms in some time and could probably get like 50 mythril there at that. I'm only counting 75 mythril you spent that I didn't (I did an 11 on FFVII vs your three on Type 0 but did a realm lucky you didn't as well) from that count.

But yeah I dunno I feel like you stretched yourself a bit thin in too many directions at once. Type 0 imo seems like a blunder since you implied you were basically fishing for one relic there. Think drawing for torments is a bit of a trap in general honestly. With the most basic backbone sub 30 on the d280s seems doable with two off realms. And D??? requires you to go too hard for it to be economical unless you're favoritism drawing.

I mean if you get no discos on one banner you get no discos on another, but I'm just saying if you go in expecting to get what you want with 2x11 you're going to be disappointed way too often. Any banner I want any grand prize on I basically budget 3x11 minimum for a reasonable shot. But yeah I've gone 5x11 and 6x11 pretty often and have failed even still. 6x11 on FF2 got me 2 discos, both the one I wanted least (2x Guy USB) with 2 grand prizes on the banner in Maria and Minwu USB, so I mean yeah the Orlandu story is sad but it happens to everyone at some point or another.
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Got another 5* daily

Terra's Minerva Bustier unique trance flood

I think I'd rather get a 1*
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That's because that tally is only bad draws with relics that have little to no value. That's why you don't see the 5, 8 and 12 or the Lucky's where I got Tifa's AOSB and Sazh's LM. (Though I probably got a dud on FF5 when I got Krile and Lenna's bursts, don't remember if it was just those though, but I did decent enough on that banner with glints and LM even if I did miss Bartz and Galuf's top prizes)

Type-0 wasn't a bad choice to invest in since I needed more relics for the Cid Missions, and no I wasn't just chasing 1 relic, I never do that, like I really want OK's USB3 but that banner is way too risky with duds. Any of the discos would have made me happy as well as Rem and Ace's bursts, even dupes of Ace's LM would be ok since it's a fire boosting bracer with high magic, and it was pretty much the best Type-0 banner in foresight at the time.

And I did go 3x11 on Type-0 and Autumn Fest Banner 1, and all I got was crap. Sure you may think Guy's USB was a dud, but that's still an rare synergy earth boosting axe and it helped you beat Ixion. I try to use the "when life gives you lemons you make lemonade" analogy but stuff like dupes of Larsa/Vanille/Galuf/Penelo BSBs or filler like King's non-usb relics aren't lemons, they're lemon shaped rocks.
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Ah well yeah if you only include bad luck and don't include good luck of course you'll look like a victim of bad RNG since you're going to have more bad draws than good ones on average.

And I didn't say Guy's USB was a dud. I said I'd rather have got a thing I was actually chasing like you did.

And no I don't think Cid Mission drawing is worth your time. Who cares about 3 million gil
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That's still a frustratingly large amount of bad luck no matter how you slice it though. 3 good realm banners (where I still missed key relics) an AOSB and on okay lucky clearly doesn't make up for 5 months of otherwise bad draws. I've seen people on the FFRK board, Reddit and strategy website quit the game for much less.

And I still remember how you acted during the Second Anniversary and Setzer banner where you kept talking about quitting because you weren't pulling what you wanted even though you were still getting good relics (at the time) and whining how the game was unfair because you had to use Tyro or other characters you didn't like. I'm far more lenient about that, getting relics you don't aim for is one thing but it might still have value in crystals towers, Torments or have a native element boost, but my patience is severely tested when I'm getting a bunch of dupes or relics that are worthless outside of being rossetta stones. If you had a streak of luck as bad as I did you'd have left way earlier.
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I haven't gotten anything useful in like 300 mythril.

Still having fun tho.
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Whew, finally managed to clear Behemoth King with Red's chain. Damn that's a tough fight. Time was 47.55. I dunno if I'm going to be able to farm this one now but I'll try to get at least 4 copies... more than that might kill me.
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Well, I don't really want to turn this into a bad luck dick measuring contest, though while we are measuring, keep in mind my luck on that fest was worse than you're letting on. Did 4-5x11 and got no discos at all when I would've been pretty happy with 3/4 of them, getting a bunch of 1/11 burst draws (Ayame's burst proved useful eventually, but it wasn't something I wanted at the time), along with an ass of a 33 draw, and also keep in mind I had left the game the first time I had a very long run before that of nothing and I hadn't really come back into the game yet, so in a sense you could extend the streak back much further in draws than that.

But the bigger thing to get out of it is the situations aren't really similar. You can do all the content and must wait a while to do it as more draws normalize. And the draws will normalize. That's why I'm stressing that it's kinda telling that I've basically "caught up" to you despite you optimizing your draws and me just drawing for characters I like, because the game is pretty forgiving. As long as you get some 6* relics, you can do the content if you're drawing at all intelligently, even if you aren't totally powergaming the system.

On the other hand I could not actually do any of the content in a way I found enjoyable because I kept getting draws that had 0 characters I wanted stuff for, forcing me into using characters I didn't want to use like Tyro to clear stuff.

I stuck with the game in the long run entirely because of the revival dungeons giving me some more shots at getting something good for some character I liked (burst selections also helped), and was rewarded in spending the revival dungeon mythril. It was just scraps, but an Ultra for Tidus and an Ultra for Sabin, that's good enough for me. Also helps realm banner design started to become more heavily character focused meaning it was harder to totally crap out while drawing for a character even if you don't get the chase relic. A slowed power creep that became more about breadth of strong characters more than powercreeping out relics every few months also helped, so the game worked for me better. It really had nothing to do with luck improving, just the game's evolution being something I liked.

I mean if you don't find the game fun at all right now, that's one thing, but if it's just a matter of "I can't do the earth magicite RIGHT NOW and feel like I should have gotten everything I wanted with 2x11" uhhh, just be patient, and maybe try and save 250-300 mythril on your big banners next time rather than spreading yourself thin and trying to catch all the rabbits by going for earth fest + type-0 + all the luckies (vanilla luckies are way worse a mythril trap than going for Agrias USB1 btw, even if some did pay off for you)
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1 pull.

Ellara USB
ULTIMA Weapon.
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Now MWC decided to come back
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Ergh I don't have any mythril really (haven't been playing as much) but I need at least one pull on this banner as all of the 6 star items are awesome.
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Lopen posted...

Well, I don't really want to turn this into a bad luck dick measuring contest, though while we are measuring, keep in mind my luck on that fest was worse than you're letting on. Did 4-5x11 and got no discos at all when I would've been pretty happy with 3/4 of them

To be fair that was when discos weren't as essential as they are now, that was still 3* magicite/old Torment days, bursts were still viable then unlike how they're 95% trash currently. Oh and the 33 draw was free anyway so you got what you paid for, hell I only got 1/11 fourth Y'shtola BSB dipe on the free banner on the second anniversary, it sucked but it's wasn't anything painful. Nowhere near as as bad a crapping out on the guaranteed USB banner or an entire RoP.

Lopen posted...

I mean if you don't find the game fun at all right now, that's one thing, but if it's just a matter of "I can't do the earth magicite RIGHT NOW and feel like I should have gotten everything I wanted with 2x11" uhhh, just be patient, and maybe try and save 250-300 mythril on your big banners next time rather than spreading yourself thin and trying to catch all the rabbits by going for earth fest + type-0 + all the luckies (vanilla luckies are way worse a mythril trap than going for Agrias USB1 btw, even if some did pay off for you)

Did you not read this post?

115 mythril and around 20 bucks of gems, and there was a lot of stuff I wanted, the 5 discos, Maria's LM/Glint, Rinoa's earth infusion LM or an extra Emperor BSB for an earth boosting rod. Even Cinque's stuff would have been decent for the T-0 torment. Pretty much everything except Galuf and Penelo's BSBs would have been good but of course crappy RNG had to give me those two dupes and Red XIII's LM without the chain which might as well be worthless.

I wasn't asking to get everything, I was simply aiming for a clear on King Behemoth to get his esper, not a week 1 sub30. The only earth mage relics I have are some BSBs and Rinoa/Rydia's OSBs, so I obviously need better relics if I want to even get a poverty win on King Behemoth.There was only 3 duds on that banner, only 2 if I got Red XIII's chain, yet somehow in 4/33 I ended up with those three duds. How is that unreasonable to at the very least expect to get one of Maria's Glint/LM or Rinoa's Earth infusion LM in three pulls?

This is what's discouraging people and causing them to quit, getting shitty draws like this! BSBs should have been retired months ago but they're still plaguing banners as mythril sponges, even in Japan. I was going to pull on the upcoming FF14 and 11 banners in the future but the BSBs are making me reluctant with how I got fucked on this one, the only one I feel safe on now till fourth anniversary is the upcoming FF1 banner because there's only 1 BSB and it's actually useful since it's a shout clone for a rare realm.

Besides you said yourself that even with 200+ mythril you can still get nothing worthwhile, I don't see how doing pulls once in while for torment or magicite weakness is really all that worse of a strategy than saving up for months and getting mostly useless dupes, like y'know, like I did on last fest's banner 1? If you want to say Type-0 was a bad idea fine, but doing a couple pulls on FF8 was justified since everything was useful except Laguna's Burst and the only dupe I had was Squall's BSB2, and it would have helped with King Behemoth if I got Rinoa's AOSB, glint or dualcast LM. If you're just aiming for good relics in general it might even be more efficient to do this since you don't have to worry about dupes as much over drawing on the same banner multiple times. Besides it all comes down to RNG in the end no matter how you plan, shit RNG can get you no matter how safe the banner looks, and that's what frustrates people the most.
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So, I finally completed my dream Cloud.

USB 1
BSB 2 (wind)
Glint
AOSB

Whats the way to get the most damage out of that? And do I have any reason whatsoever to try for his USB2?
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Nowhere near as as bad a crapping out on the guaranteed USB banner or an entire RoP.

Lmao yeah right two sets of complete crapshoot draws coming up is worse than getting 5 1/11s (think I got a couple of 2/11 but honestly not sure considering how few relics I actually have from the banner in particular) and a garbage free 33 draw okay. I guess my last RoP was worse luck than your entire last fest too. I don't even count those as bad luck they're just kinda you get what you get have fun.

Listen I'm not saying you weren't unlucky. I'm agreeing you were unlucky. I don't think you were unlucky to the extent that you need to be shouting "help help I'm being repressed!" It's pretty vanilla bad luck compared to what people post in this topic. It ultimately comes down to poor planning more than anything. You go in expecting to get great things on 2x11 or 3x11 you're gonna get burned lots. Shocked it hasn't happened many times to you before already. Stop with the luckies and half measures on struggling realms and elements and really hoard up to piledrive what you want and you'll get more good stuff.

Related my friend threw another draw at the banner before it rotated out and got Red Chain as his only 6* after 6x11. Strangely he never talked about quitting
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I really wanted that Elarra USB, and there's enough nice stuff here, that I figured I'd give this banner a try.

Of course, I get 1/11 Faris LMR

So while we're on the subject of bad luck, I'll remind everyone my last 6 11x have been 5 1/11 and a single 2/11.

4 draws on VIII, 1 USB LD and 1 draw on this, gave me a single relic I really wanted, Rinoa AOSB.
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Related I don't think of myself as the bad luck king either. I'm kinda weird in that I tend to have bad luck with 11 draws but get enough ace 100 gem pickups and dream selection draws (as in the draw you get with the gems tends to be randomly great) that I think I end up kinda average on the whole. It comes and goes, of course. After two fests ago and the immediate aftermath (spent like 200 or 250 mythril to get Rikku Hyper Mighty G and mostly a bunch of garbage just after fest, and hardly got anything for Yuffie despite giving her many draws) as well as a rough start on FFIV banner I was in the dumps, but it's turned around lately.

Hoping my recent spat of luck on 11 draws continues with Banner 3 tomorrow in any case. Have 350 Mythril but I don't want to spend it all here. Lots of good realm banners coming.
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Lopen posted...

Lmao yeah right two sets of complete crapshoot draws coming up is worse than getting 5 1/11s and a garbage free 33 draw okay. I guess my last RoP was worse luck than your entire last fest too. I don't even count those as bad luck they're just kinda you get what you get have fun.

Those 5 1/11 and whatever you got on RoP was probably still better than Penelo's LM (and I did do the last RoP this morning, it was Echo's BSB, Penelo's LM is still best thing I got out of the 17 draws) I don't know how you cannot count that as bad luck.

Lopen posted...

Listen I'm not saying you weren't unlucky. I'm agreeing you were unlucky. I don't think you were unlucky to the extent that you need to be shouting "help help I'm being repressed!" It's pretty vanilla bad luck compared to what people post in this topic. It ultimately comes down to poor planning more than anything. You go in expecting to get great things on 2x11 or 3x11 you're gonna get burned lots.

I don't think I've actually seen bad luck like this since the pre guaranteed *5 days though, I know some people here crashed on some banners like Orlandeau OSB or fests but they seemed to recover after that, but that's just usually just 1 or two banners, I've had crap luck for two fests and especially bad luck this fest (need I remind you the best relic I got the entire fest is Sazh's LM?) And how is it poor planning to pull on a banner that had 11/14 useful relics? I'm not whaling here I just want a few extra things to help beat King Behemoth or the Type-0 torment, but the game gave me nothing but the worst of the banner.

Lopen posted...

Shocked it hasn't happened many times to you before already. Stop with the luckies and half measures on struggling realms and elements and really hoard up to piledrive what you want and you'll get more good stuff.

That's because back then we only had 8 magicite to deal with and you weren't punished for bringing off realm characters to torments. Now we have 17 torments and 16 magicite we have to make specific teams for. You need chains, the realm healer or boostga, DPS ect and that takes a lot of investment even for just a couple realms/magicites. Sure there's some shortcuts here and there but it's still overwhelming how much you need to stay in the current meta. And it's highly recommended to get the 5* espers now because they keep getting harder as they get added (except Hecatoncheir apparently) And hoarding doesn't guarantee you anything, the biggest problem is the dupes and the more you pull on one banner the riskier it becomes. If the game had a step up or weeding system you'd have a point but the dread of 1/11 dupes is a serious stigma.

Also I don't even draw on Luckies that much, and even then it's something like a FFT0 + 15 banner since those realms are still new, though I will admit the temptation of Aerith USB2 does get me on FF7 luckies.
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I know you need a lot of things these days, but you also need to be sure you slam dunk what you go for which is why saving is smart. You don't necessarily go in thinking you MUST use 300 mythril to get what you want, but you should be prepared to if necessary I think and consider when you do it in less a windfall more than what you're expected to get.

Like the game right now is in a state where you need to go big or go home I think, cause there's a pretty big gap between the absolute top end content and the second rung where you are. For people who are a bit lower spreading out and doing luckies is less of a trap. Like you talk about a glint and whatever as helping. It's nice and all but getting a Glint isn't going to let you beat the 5* Magicite. You really needed Red's Chain and probably one of Maria's relics too to give it a good shot. Getting one of the lot would put you closer but I'm not convinced it'd put you in striking distance alone.
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Lopen posted...

You really needed Red's Chain and probably one of Maria's relics too to give it a good shot.

did you see what Ultimaphazon beat that with? you don't need much at all if you have Edge's SSB (which is why i'm just gonna wait until they rightfully give it to us).
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Actually there's a lot of chainless poverty runs with Edge SSB2 and Hades, Red XIII's chain would help a lot for sure but King Behemoth's savage mode actually increases the damage he takes so he's the easiest 5* magicite to beat without a chain. Damage reflection also does wonders.
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4/22 on B1

Galuf BSB
Emperor BSB 3x

fuck

My plan is to do one pull on B2 and two pulls on B3-5, the goal being getting a chain. I'm still debating on pulling anything on B2, cause do I really need Cloud (I have USB/BSB2/Glint) or OK (BSB/mUSB)? I have Ellara's USB already
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I didn't say in the general case you need both of those I said Seph probably needed both if he was so poor off. And hell if he only needs one he can always just Ultra select Maria USB
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King Behemoth still has a whopping 1.5 million HP so the extra damage from the glint/LM on Maria would reduce the risk of running out of hones (and hopefully not having to get another level 99 Hades.)
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I tried Quetzalcoatl with Stone Press on Galuf, but it seems like I'm basically one turn behind because of needing him to start the chain. Turn 1 he chains, turn 2 he uses Grand Charge, turn 3 Quetzalcoatl goes into Savage mode but using Stone Press at level 1 won't break the cap so we get a full round of taking extra damage and doing no damage. Exact same thing happens the second time he goes into Savage mode, and then we start dying. Not really sure what to do at this point, do I need to cut one of my better earth characters (Tifa or Dorgann) for a dedicated Heavy user (Cloud or Cinque - who has nothing but an LM)? Bleh.
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While we're on the topic of bad luck.

Pulled on the current fest banner

2/11

Alphinaud BSB x2 dupe

A relic that I already have at 8*+++, yeah...
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Did a pull 5/11.

Cloud Glint (Dupe)
Aplhi's BSB (ok!)
E's materia (good for the future!)
Palp's Materia (see above)
Faris' USB

How good is this USB? I now have both of her USBs and her BSBs, I think she may prove useful to me!
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Finally got a 5* on the daily draw. It's a dupe (Kiros BSB) but actually good for me since I completely forgot that it's a party buffing relic. In other news, I decided to skip Banner 2, too many dupes. Also I finished drawing on all the RoP banners, here's what I got:

Type-0: Cinque SSB
FFT: Agrias USB
XV: Aranea OSB (dupe)
XIV: Papalymo LM
XIII: Sazh LM
XII: Vaan SSB
XI: Curilla USB
X: Kimahri SSB
IX: Zidane OSB
VIII: Laguna USB
VII: Reno SSB, Barret BSB
VI: Locke CSB
V: Faris SSB
IV: Barbariccia USB
III: Arc BSB
II: Josef USB
I: WoL LM

Overall I'd say very successful!
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So jealous of that RoP. And I liked my RoP! Valvalis USB was probably my most wanted thing from the entire RoP aside from Minwu USB though, even narrowly beating Setzer's USB just because it's more practical. Also IIRC that was Agrias's USB2 which is another thing I really wanted. Good haul, man.
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There were ONLY two items I wanted at all coming into the fest.... and I got them both in one pull so I cant complain about that... but.... on the other hand.

There were ONLY TWO ITEMS I wanted coming into this fest.....

I believe there are 30 6 stars during this, I wanted 2, and had a dupe of 1 (Ramza chain)
This HAS TO BE the weakest set of banners this game ever had.

Banner 2 is a fucking beast apparently cause I heard Terra and OK USB3 are amazing, and I already know about the 2 I wanted. But holy shit are the rest weak to make up for it. Im not spending another mythril this fest, and Ill have about 500 at end of it ( I will be gemming the dream however to god mode TGC)
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I think the banners are for the most part pretty balanced this fest, though yeah none of em are gonna blow you out of the water. Definitely don't think 2 is far and away the best and I feel the draws on each in this topic will reflect that.
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Lopen posted...

I think the banners are for the most part pretty balanced this fest, though yeah none of em are gonna blow you out of the water. Definitely don't think 2 is far and away the best and I feel the draws on each in this topic will reflect that.

I can only go with what Ive seen and heard.

I know on Reddit when they were announced many said 2 only, and then yesterday on the banner draw topic, there were a lot of posts saying now they are done for the fest after that banner ( I will fully admit in that one they could have also pulled on 1 first).

Maybe its cause Cloud Waifu for ULTIMA Weapon, maybe its to get Ellaras best healer Soul Break ever, maybe its because people think Terra and OK are awesome. I dont know. All I know is I saw a lot of people focusing on 2 and either stopping afterwards, or if they pulled real well would now pull on a later banner cause they had extra now.
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But I just looked it up. And the GameFAQs board looked on it with disdain. So now I dont even know. Lol
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Reddit is full of sheep so yeah I could definitely see Onion being a huge draw for them.

Also think a lot of them are bitter Bartz was taken off banner 3 and replaced with Tidus too.

They're all about as good as one another if you need the elements though. A big thing that checks banner 2 is it has no chain I feel.
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banner 2 is... better than banner 1 i guess? i think the other 3 are all better. though banners 1,3,5 of the previous fest are all better than all 5 of these.
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I mostly saw that 1 and 5 were the most popular because people want to farm 5* magicite, I saw a lot people got scared off Banner 2 because of Faris or the FF14 relics added or they already had Elarra USB and Cloud's stuff from last fest. I don't think Terra and OK were major draws for this banner since the next fest has OK's AOSB, USB3 and LM2 on the same banner and Terra's brave is going to be obsolete when she gets her awakening.
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I do stand by this though.

Banner 2 this fest has the best top 2 relics weve ever seen. The #1 DPS relic, and the #1 healer relic on same banner.

The only thing that maybe ties it would be fest banner 5 in I wanna say March 2016... which had Sentinel Grimmoire and Platinum Sword on the same banner.
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Cloud's AOSB is far from the best DPS relic. it's great but it's the FOURTH piece of the combo. Zack CSB, Cloud USB1, and Cloud USB2 or glint are all more important. Zack CSB in particular because it can be used with Zidane, Celes, Bartz and they'll do good enough with less relics than Cloud.
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Xuxon posted...

Cloud's AOSB is far from the best DPS relic. it's great but it's the FOURTH piece of the combo. Zack CSB, Cloud USB1, and Cloud USB2 or glint are all more important. Zack CSB in particular because it can be used with Zidane, Celes, Bartz and they'll do good enough with less relics than Cloud.

But it is.

Every dps relic now needs help, so saying its a combo piece doesnt hurt that. Find me one that isnt, the day of a single BSB and no help getting through content is long gone.

If it has the combo, its the highest DPS you will be doing. I assume it still is in Japan (though I dont know) cause last ranking he was still #2 virtually tied with Tyro for #1 at 98 a piece. Being that he doesnt have the best ability kit, (or chain)I can only assume this ranking is sheerly because he still is DPS god with AOSB
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