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scarletspeed7
09/25/18 11:48:50 PM
#152:


Jakyl25 posted...
Narrator voice: They werent.

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Jakyl25
09/25/18 11:59:27 PM
#153:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The GOP has a live stream with HUNDREDS of women defending Kavanaugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqS7mrdCkdg" data-time="


You guys do think all women should be believed, right? Does this include women defending the man?


I certainly believe their accounts that he didnt sexually assault them.
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Eddv
09/26/18 12:11:34 AM
#155:


It looks like the Judiciary Committee is pushing through to have a vote Friday,regardless of how the hearing Thursday goes.

So I guess there's that.
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xp1337
09/26/18 12:21:11 AM
#156:


Eddv posted...
It looks like the Judiciary Committee is pushing through to have a vote Friday,regardless of how the hearing Thursday goes.

So I guess there's that.

Yeah.

One of the GOP Senators (Corker? Don't feel like looking it back up right now.) said that they may not vote that day but ~regular order~ requires a 3 day advance notice so they scheduled it today ~just in case~ they're ready to vote.)

I dunno, I still feel like this is all part of some kind of maximum pressure campaign by McConnell/Grassley/GOP leadership on the handful of Senators that might waffle on this. I do think Murkowski sounds like a no - though she did walk back one of her stronger statements a bit a while ago - but the others? I don't trust them to actually vote no if a vote is forced. Not yet at least. I've written Collins off completely. She's absolutely a yes vote and has said some absurd BS in support of that.

The scales in my mind are tipping back towards "Vote held and confirmed" but I don't know if it's crossed over to the other side of 50/50 yet. I just don't know how the hearing doesn't make things worse for them. They even went and hired outside counsel to handle the questioning instead of doing it themselves. Like, wow.
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LordoftheMorons
09/26/18 12:26:09 AM
#157:


Yeah, Murkowski definitely seems like the most likely GOP no vote. Manchin made some comments that made me concerned that he might vote for him; I think theres plenty of reasons for every Dem to vote against him anyway (e.g. his views on whether a president can do whatever the fuck they want without consequence), but its possible that Manchin doesnt see it that way.
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Surskit
09/26/18 12:26:40 AM
#158:


UltimaterializerX posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys do think all women should be believed, right? Does this include women defending the man?

This is a real question I want answered, by the way.

Maybe you can answer the question as to how these are necessarily mutually exclusive. You're not stupid, you know they aren't. You can believe both.
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StealThisSheen
09/26/18 12:28:11 AM
#159:


xp1337 posted...
I don't trust them to actually vote no if a vote is forced. Not yet at least. I've written Collins off completely. She's absolutely a yes vote and has said some absurd BS in support of that.


I forget who said it, but the "hero Republicans" don't have any morals further than you can throw 'em, either. They only hold out if they're not getting what they personally want.
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xp1337
09/26/18 12:34:00 AM
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Murkowski is facing a lot of local pressure to reject Kavanaugh and early today issued by far the strongest statements on the subject by any Republican. She rebuked Trump and seemed to imply we should believe victims. She also - though walked this back a bit later - basically said there should be an FBI Investigation. And, as always, she literally won a write-in campaign after she was primaried so she is uniquely resistant to any pressure from GOP leadership.

I really do think she's a no vote at least based on the current information.

It's the others who I have a hard time seeing them getting to a no vote. At least right now. Might change post hearing. Plus even if individually I have a hard time seeing the path, if Murkowski is a no you only need one more.
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HaRRicH
09/26/18 12:58:19 AM
#161:


If Flake drops a big thumbs-down, I predict lots of shittalk toward Arizona.
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Corrik
09/26/18 1:16:30 AM
#162:


xp1337 posted...
Eddv posted...
It looks like the Judiciary Committee is pushing through to have a vote Friday,regardless of how the hearing Thursday goes.

So I guess there's that.

Yeah.

One of the GOP Senators (Corker? Don't feel like looking it back up right now.) said that they may not vote that day but ~regular order~ requires a 3 day advance notice so they scheduled it today ~just in case~ they're ready to vote.)

I dunno, I still feel like this is all part of some kind of maximum pressure campaign by McConnell/Grassley/GOP leadership on the handful of Senators that might waffle on this. I do think Murkowski sounds like a no - though she did walk back one of her stronger statements a bit a while ago - but the others? I don't trust them to actually vote no if a vote is forced. Not yet at least. I've written Collins off completely. She's absolutely a yes vote and has said some absurd BS in support of that.

The scales in my mind are tipping back towards "Vote held and confirmed" but I don't know if it's crossed over to the other side of 50/50 yet. I just don't know how the hearing doesn't make things worse for them. They even went and hired outside counsel to handle the questioning instead of doing it themselves. Like, wow.

You think Jones and Manchin are gonna vote no?
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Eddv
09/26/18 1:19:12 AM
#163:


Jones and Manchin are both on the record being pro-investigation, which PRESUMABLY means they're nos in the absence of one, but really who knows.
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Corrik
09/26/18 1:22:21 AM
#164:


Eddv posted...
Jones and Manchin are both on the record being pro-investigation, which PRESUMABLY means they're nos in the absence of one, but really who knows.

I feel like that would be a death sentence for either (moreso probably Jones) as far as their seat goes. Manchin, however, ran specifically a lot of his campaign of being pro-trump.

Then again Jones might not be able to win his seat versus a normal conservative candidate anyways.
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xp1337
09/26/18 1:25:09 AM
#165:


Corrik posted...
You think Jones and Manchin are gonna vote no?

Yes. Higher confidence on Jones than Manchin but I believe the Democrats will be united on this.

McCaskill even found a way to reach a public declaration of a no vote without citing the allegations as the reason for her decision.

Edit: Also, lol at voting no costing Manchin his election. He's probably the safest of the "vulnerable" Democratic seats.
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Corrik
09/26/18 1:41:47 AM
#166:


xp1337 posted...
Corrik posted...
You think Jones and Manchin are gonna vote no?

Yes. Higher confidence on Jones than Manchin but I believe the Democrats will be united on this.

McCaskill even found a way to reach a public declaration of a no vote without citing the allegations as the reason for her decision.

Edit: Also, lol at voting no costing Manchin his election. He's probably the safest of the "vulnerable" Democratic seats.

I think lying to the voters of West Virginia of being Pro-Trump when Trump is extremely popular there and with his competitor trying to ding Manchin on not really supporting Trump. Then backing up that with betraying Trump in a vote in which Manchin's vote finally matters would definitely do some damage and prove those attacks right.

Where Manchin is now versus where he will be after could be different. He is likely too seeded to lose, but it will definitely have an effect. How much of one though?

Jones already may be dead in water in 2020.

That said, a lot of Dem senators in red States have some decisions cut out for them if a couple of Republicans flip. (Which I think won't happen anyways)
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Eddv
09/26/18 1:43:10 AM
#167:


I think coming out and saying "I do not support there being a vote without an investigation" and then voting yes without one makes both look like pussies which hurts their brand more imo.
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Suprak the Stud
09/26/18 1:45:37 AM
#168:


Corrik posted...
Eddv posted...
Jones and Manchin are both on the record being pro-investigation, which PRESUMABLY means they're nos in the absence of one, but really who knows.

I feel like that would be a death sentence for either (moreso probably Jones) as far as their seat goes. Manchin, however, ran specifically a lot of his campaign of being pro-trump.

Then again Jones might not be able to win his seat versus a normal conservative candidate anyways.


Jones is 100% losing in 2020. He's a great candidate but as long as Alabama put up "not a pedophile" for Republicans, Jones is toast.

Manchin is surprisingly like the most safe red state den right now. He's not even in the toss-up range at the moment.

That being said, he's pro-life so I doubt he would hesitate to vote for whoever Trump puts up in most circumstances. He's pretty openly supportive of Trump more than any other Democrat, except maybe Heitkamp. I could see him going either way, honestly, depending on Thursday.
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red13n
09/26/18 1:47:55 AM
#169:


Eddv posted...
I think coming out and saying "I do not support there being a vote without an investigation" and then voting yes without one makes both look like pussies which hurts their brand more imo.


no way. The way politics has turned pure black and white they just argue the alternative is potentially letting the dems have a decision on a future nominee and they chose the lesser of two evils. Voters arent smart enough to see beyond that.
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xp1337
09/26/18 1:48:55 AM
#170:


Jones was never going to hold that seat in 2020 unless the Republicans ran Moore again lol.

I mean he barely beat Moore lmao.

Manchin will be fine. By your logic he should have taken damage for saving the ACA. This isn't really a hard call for even the vulnerable Democrats. It might have been before the allegations and I think in the alternate universe where they never surfaced you might have had one or two of them switch over and confirm... but we're not in that universe.

McCaskill already has declared herself a no vote, and based it on Kavanaugh's views on executive power and dark money.

Jones has been a harsh critic on how the Republicans are running this hearing, so if nothing else he can object on process.

Manchin is pretty much always with the Democrats when it counts.

Which leaves Heitkamp, Tester, and Donnelly but I expect them to come on board too. (Tester voted against Gorsuch so it'd be really weird for him to vote for Kavanaugh now)
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Eddv
09/26/18 1:57:56 AM
#171:


red13n posted...
Eddv posted...
I think coming out and saying "I do not support there being a vote without an investigation" and then voting yes without one makes both look like pussies which hurts their brand more imo.


no way. The way politics has turned pure black and white they just argue the alternative is potentially letting the dems have a decision on a future nominee and they chose the lesser of two evils. Voters arent smart enough to see beyond that.


It doesn't make them look like wusses?

I mean you're just wrong. If these last 2 years have held any lessons for you let it be that candidate quality matters
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xp1337
09/26/18 2:07:44 AM
#172:


tbqh, if I were one of the red state Dems I'd be more worried that voting to confirm at this point would demotivate my base. I have a really hard time imagining they somehow net more than they lose.
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LordoftheMorons
09/26/18 3:02:32 AM
#173:


More corroboration that Ford had told others about her attempted rape before Kavanaugh was nominated:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/25/brett-kavanaugh-ford-has-4-people-corroborate-sexual-assault-claims/1429270002/

In particular:
In another declaration, Keith Koegler said Ford revealed the alleged assault to him in 2016, when the two parents were watching their children play in a public place and discussing the light sentencing of Stanford University student Brock Turner.

Christine expressed anger at Mr. Turners lenient sentence, stating that she was particularly bothered by it because she was assaulted in high school by a man who was now a federal judge in Washington, D.C., Koegler said.

Christine did not mention the assault to me again until June 29, 2018, two days after Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his resignation from the Supreme Court of the United States, he said.

On that day, Koegler said Ford revealed to him in an email that the person who had assaulted her in high school was President Donald Trumps favorite for SCOTUS.

In his response email, Koegler wrote, I remember you telling me about him, but I dont remember his name. Do you mind telling me so I can read about him?

Fords emailed response: Brett Kavanaugh.

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Corrik
09/26/18 4:58:01 AM
#174:


Not sure why she supposedly told no one and now all the sudden she told a bunch of people, but that email should be good evidence.
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LordoftheMorons
09/26/18 5:06:46 AM
#175:


I think I had read about one or two of the other people earlier. Not the one with the email naming him, though.
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Corrik
09/26/18 5:10:02 AM
#176:


If they cannot reproduce that email, and all 3 of these corroborators turn out to be anti-trump marching democrats (as Ford is)... Then, I am going to be suspicious.
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TotallyNotMI
09/26/18 7:03:13 AM
#177:


Isn't Ford super apolitical and the Trump marching democrat was a rumor spread by trolls?
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HanOfTheNekos
09/26/18 7:31:25 AM
#178:


UltiCalledIt posted...

Yes, it's called Proprietary Information


Are you saying that's the name of the company/check or are you trying to claim that your source is a company secret?
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Mr Lasastryke
09/26/18 8:22:56 AM
#179:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Isn't Ford super apolitical and the Trump marching democrat was a rumor spread by trolls?


i watched what stefan molyneux had to say about ford and he just went "well she's a psychologist and she got her phd in california so OF COURSE she's a leftist!!" apparently he had no actual evidence of her political leanings or else he absolutely would have talked about it.
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metroid composite
09/26/18 8:35:12 AM
#180:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
"well she's a psychologist and she got her phd in california so OF COURSE she's a leftist!!"

Being in California definitely does not make you a leftist. I live in a red district these days.

Being an educated professional in California also does not make you a leftist. My dentist is pretty republican, which I know cause he likes to ramble about politics while poking metal instruments in my mouth.

(I mean, he's California Republican. He was shocked and appalled when I told him that people could be legally fired for being gay in several states. But he did have a generally positive view of Trump last I spoke with him).

Hey, hey, you know who else was from California? Ronald Reagan. And he was an actor. Total leftist right? lololol
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Mr Lasastryke
09/26/18 8:42:27 AM
#181:


https://twitter.com/robertjeffress/status/1044608785900277760

a speech where the UN was laughing at trump was somehow "the strongest speech to the united nations of any president in history." ok.
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Mr Lasastryke
09/26/18 8:43:48 AM
#182:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1044782444321361920

Pray for Brett Kavanaugh and his family!


why do we need to pray for him if it's absolutely certain that he's innocent?
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Peace___Frog
09/26/18 9:41:40 AM
#183:


His released calendar looks photo shopped to hell lmao
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The Mana Sword
09/26/18 9:52:53 AM
#184:


Not entirely sure what the calendar is supposed to prove but now Im dying to know what he got grounded for in May
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Obellisk
09/26/18 9:54:31 AM
#185:


I've decided that the President should be allowed to nominate Supreme Court Justices however it should be left to the people of the United States to elect them. You should need to receive x percentage of votes of the American people in order to be confirmed.

Senate Commitee still does the hearing, but then the people vote on if the person is appropriate to sit on the highest court for life.
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NFUN
09/26/18 9:57:15 AM
#186:


metroid composite posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
"well she's a psychologist and she got her phd in california so OF COURSE she's a leftist!!"

Being in California definitely does not make you a leftist. I live in a red district these days.

Being an educated professional in California also does not make you a leftist. My dentist is pretty republican, which I know cause he likes to ramble about politics while poking metal instruments in my mouth.

(I mean, he's California Republican. He was shocked and appalled when I told him that people could be legally fired for being gay in several states. But he did have a generally positive view of Trump last I spoke with him).

Hey, hey, you know who else was from California? Ronald Reagan. And he was an actor. Total leftist right? lololol

its joke
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Dancedreamer
09/26/18 10:05:08 AM
#187:


If Republicans confirm Kavanaugh, they lose all right to ever call out Bill Clinton again tbqh.
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Reg
09/26/18 10:13:12 AM
#188:


Dancedreamer posted...
If Republicans confirm Kavanaugh, they lose all right to ever call out Bill Clinton again tbqh.

They didn't lose that with the election of Trump or the nomination of Moore?
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Peace___Frog
09/26/18 10:24:39 AM
#189:


Reg posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
If Republicans confirm Kavanaugh, they lose all right to ever call out Bill Clinton again tbqh.

They didn't lose that with the election of Trump or the nomination of Moore?


I have a feeling that in 20 years, no one will want to claim that they voted for trump.
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TotallyNotMI
09/26/18 10:27:00 AM
#190:


I think in 6-10 years we'll have Republicans running for office saying things like 'Well Trump wasn't REALLY a Republican'.
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Espeon
09/26/18 10:27:55 AM
#191:


Theyll call him a NeoCon
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Dancedreamer
09/26/18 10:48:29 AM
#192:


TotallyNotMI posted...
I think in 6-10 years we'll have Republicans running for office saying things like 'Well Trump wasn't REALLY a Republican'.


They'll point out he was a Democrat at one time who dined with Hillary Clinton.
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Jakyl25
09/26/18 10:55:22 AM
#193:


I just hope hes still alive to throw a fit about it
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Peace___Frog
09/26/18 10:59:43 AM
#194:


Jakyl25 posted...
I just hope hes still alive to throw a fit about it

And i hope that said fits don't ever reach the news cycle.
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Jakyl25
09/26/18 11:02:20 AM
#195:


The Mana Sword posted...
Not entirely sure what the calendar is supposed to prove but now Im dying to know what he got grounded for in May


Do we really want a hoarder on the Supreme Court?
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TheRock1525
09/26/18 11:03:33 AM
#196:


Avenatti revealed the third accuser.
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Obellisk
09/26/18 11:14:22 AM
#197:


I think if the president wasn't also a sexual predator that the nom would have been pulled by now.
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Jakyl25
09/26/18 11:23:46 AM
#198:


TheRock1525 posted...
Avenatti revealed the third accuser.


Was it some guy from 4chan?
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TotallyNotMI
09/26/18 11:27:37 AM
#199:


Third accuser is going further than 'attempted sexual assault' and claiming that she was raped by multiple people after being drugged, including Kavanaugh and Judge.
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Obellisk
09/26/18 11:29:39 AM
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but ma'am, if you were drugged, how do you know?
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Reg
09/26/18 11:33:41 AM
#201:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Third accuser is going further than 'attempted sexual assault' and claiming that she was raped by multiple people after being drugged, including Kavanaugh and Judge.

Also claiming it was a constant, recurring thing at parties Kavanaugh and Judge were at.

She's literally claiming Brett Kavanaugh is a serial rapist in a sworn affidavit and has witnesses.
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