Current Events > 46 y/o Black Man gets 8 YEARS in PRISON for MARIJUANA that he LEGALLY Bought!!

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creativerealms
10/20/18 4:50:21 PM
#151:


Funbazooka posted...
creativerealms posted...
Even so the issue is would be even have been stopped and searched if he wasn't black? He was stopped because he drove over a fog line something I would think cops would know isn't a traffic violation. So it does bring up the question would be have been stopped if he was white?

I don't assume I know the answer.

Left-wingers may not be outright saying it but from what I gather, they're increasingly suggesting that black people should not be subject to the same laws that apply to everyone else.

I am a left-winger and I say you are wrong. The laws should apply to everyone. However he was pulled over when he shouldn't have been. That might be the only case the ACLU has. That he shouldn't have been stopped for crossing the fog line and that it only happened because he was black. But I am not assuming that was the case frankly I don't know.

Also yeah it doesn't change that he had lots of weed in a state where it is illegal and should get in trouble because he was caught. I'm just saying how he was caught is suspect.
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gmanthebest
10/20/18 4:55:33 PM
#152:


I've been stopped for crossing the fog line a few times once when I was super tired. Cop just wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk. Not saying it's the same thing here, because he could have just as easily been targeted for being black, just that it can happen.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 5:59:11 PM
#153:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Ok, let's pretend that it isn't trafficking. It was a really stupid thing to do and he knew what he was doing was, not just illegal but HIGHLY illegal at that amount. It's STILL fair that he gets a couple years in prison. I rethought it and think maybe 8 years is a lot but give him 3 for good behavior and if he doesn't act good, give him 5. That's seems the most just

It's not fair to give him even a single fucking day in jail for having weed


Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.
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Vicious_Dios
10/20/18 6:00:06 PM
#154:


Trumpo posted...
Fair, next he took a gamble by leaving the home state.

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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:00:34 PM
#155:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong
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stone
10/20/18 6:01:14 PM
#156:


I disagree with the sentence because 8 years seems a bit excessive.
I agree that if he got caught somewhere it's illegal, he should get punished for it. Just not that harshly, it's ridiculous how being in possession of pot can get you a longer prison sentence than murder or rape..
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:01:48 PM
#157:


stone posted...
I agree that if he got caught somewhere it's illegal, he should get punished for it.

Why would you agree that someone should be punished for breaking an unjust law?
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stone
10/20/18 6:03:56 PM
#158:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
stone posted...
I agree that if he got caught somewhere it's illegal, he should get punished for it.

Why would you agree that someone should be punished for breaking an unjust law?

That's not the question at hand though.
But yeah, it's ridiculous that it's legal in some states and illegal elsewhere. He did buy it legally, and for his own personal use. But he should have known better than travel with it to states where it's illegal. He should have hidden it better, at the very least, not to get caught.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:11:06 PM
#159:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it
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myzz7
10/20/18 6:12:00 PM
#160:


Trumpo posted...
Fair, next he took a gamble by leaving the home state.

this. no one is that dumb unless he was intending to traffic.
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stone
10/20/18 6:15:16 PM
#161:


stone posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
stone posted...
I agree that if he got caught somewhere it's illegal, he should get punished for it.

Why would you agree that someone should be punished for breaking an unjust law?

That's not the question at hand though.
But yeah, it's ridiculous that it's legal in some states and illegal elsewhere. He did buy it legally, and for his own personal use. But he should have known better than travel with it to states where it's illegal. He should have hidden it better, at the very least, not to get caught.

Ok I had gone through the original post a bit fast.. Seeing how much of it he was carrying, yeah it's totally deserved, and not unjust at all, he's lucky he didn't get more than that. I thought it would have been a few joints, not enough to last a whole year.
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DirkDiggles
10/20/18 6:16:12 PM
#162:


What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:17:12 PM
#163:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it

What's there to prove?

Nobody should ever be thrown in jail for a victimless crime. He never hurt anyone
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codey
10/20/18 6:21:54 PM
#164:


DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.


Precisely. I can't imagine anyone outside of Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson having this much weed for personal use.

Whether it should be legal or not is another debate, which I stand on the legalize side of it.
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stone
10/20/18 6:24:12 PM
#165:


codey posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.


Precisely. I can't imagine anyone outside of Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson having this much weed for personal use.

Whether it should be legal or not is another debate, which I stand on the legalize side of it.

And even in places where it's legal, there are limits to how much of it you can have on your person, and at your home, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's way less than the 3 pounds he was carrying.
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codey
10/20/18 6:26:15 PM
#166:


stone posted...
codey posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.


Precisely. I can't imagine anyone outside of Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson having this much weed for personal use.

Whether it should be legal or not is another debate, which I stand on the legalize side of it.

And even in places where it's legal, there are limits to how much of it you can have on your person, and at your home, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's way less than the 3 pounds he was carrying.


I think you can have an ounce on you in Oregon? So 1/48 of the weed in the pic.
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stone
10/20/18 6:31:38 PM
#167:


codey posted...
stone posted...
codey posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.


Precisely. I can't imagine anyone outside of Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson having this much weed for personal use.

Whether it should be legal or not is another debate, which I stand on the legalize side of it.

And even in places where it's legal, there are limits to how much of it you can have on your person, and at your home, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's way less than the 3 pounds he was carrying.


I think you can have an ounce on you in Oregon? So 1/48 of the weed in the pic.

Right. So he'd have been sent to jail no matter which state he got caught with so much on his person, legal or not.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:32:45 PM
#168:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it

What's there to prove?

Nobody should ever be thrown in jail for a victimless crime. He never hurt anyone


If you can't prove something then it's, get this, your opinion. Which is irrelevant. The law isn't.
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catboy0_0
10/20/18 6:35:30 PM
#169:


kind of fair, overly harsh sentence, but also bullshit that marijuana is criminalized to begin with
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K181
10/20/18 6:36:46 PM
#170:


Three pounds of weed is a staggeringly huge amount, beyond any reasonable expectation for even a decent sized group of people, and having that quantity meant that he had bought and saved up the amount over weeks and then transported it to a state where possession is illegal.

Hmmm...
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:37:10 PM
#171:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it

What's there to prove?

Nobody should ever be thrown in jail for a victimless crime. He never hurt anyone


If you can't prove something then it's, get this, your opinion. Which is irrelevant. The law isn't.

The law is wrong in this case.
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LeoRyan
10/20/18 6:39:35 PM
#172:


Only a moron would literally defend transporting 3 pounds of weed to the other side of the county in a state where weed is illegal.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:41:31 PM
#173:


LeoRyan posted...
Only a moron would literally defend transporting 3 pounds of weed to the other side of the county in a state where weed is illegal.

Why wouldn't you defend doing something harmless?
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:42:03 PM
#174:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it

What's there to prove?

Nobody should ever be thrown in jail for a victimless crime. He never hurt anyone


If you can't prove something then it's, get this, your opinion. Which is irrelevant. The law isn't.

The law is wrong in this case.


Nope. Sorry. Your opinion is noted
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:42:48 PM
#175:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Your opinion on what is fair is irrelevant. The law is relevant.

The law is wrong


Prove it

What's there to prove?

Nobody should ever be thrown in jail for a victimless crime. He never hurt anyone


If you can't prove something then it's, get this, your opinion. Which is irrelevant. The law isn't.

The law is wrong in this case.


Nope. Sorry. Your opinion is noted

Can you explain why you're so utterly and completely wrong?

Do you enjoy seeing people go to jail for a victimless crime? Is it just because he's black?
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:46:58 PM
#176:


Lots of harmless laws exist. I'd prefer assisted suicide be legal but that's my opinion and irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the law.

To answer your other question, I do like to see idiots who knowingly do idiotic things go to jail. One last dumbass in society for at least eight years. It's a win win.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:47:35 PM
#177:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Lots of harmless laws exist. I'd prefer assisted suicide be legal but that's my opinion and irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the law.

And those laws should be ignored.

A bad law should never be enforced.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:49:16 PM
#178:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Lots of harmless laws exist. I'd prefer assisted suicide be legal but that's my opinion and irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the law.

And those laws should be ignored.

A bad law should never be enforced.


What is "bad" is opinion. That's a dangerous mindset you have there. Heroin is harmless, maybe if an officer found some of that on someone, they should look the other way?
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 6:49:56 PM
#179:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
What is "bad" is opinion. That's a dangerous mindset you have there. Heroin is harmless, maybe if an officer found some of that on someone, they should look the other way?

Yup.

The war on drugs is wrong.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 6:53:00 PM
#180:


At least you are consistent. I mean, I personally don't have a problem with people doing drugs(granted this case is different considering he was trafficking) but I also don't have a problem locking up people who knowingly and idiotically break the law. It's a great indicator of who is smart and who is dumb and less dumb people on the streets benefits me

Also, because he was trafficking, he might have tried to sell to teenagers which is obviously wrong no matter how you feel about the war on drugs. I'd rather not take the chance
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:00:27 PM
#181:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
but I also don't have a problem locking up people who knowingly and idiotically break the law. It's a great indicator of who is smart and who is dumb and less dumb people on the streets benefits me

Think long term.

This man will never be able to get another job again. He'll be torn from his family for 8 years, and then have to resort to crime to make a living. Why do you think that's a good thing? What's the end goal here? How do we benefit by punishing this guy?

__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Also, because he was trafficking, he might have tried to sell to teenagers which is obviously wrong no matter how you feel about the war on drugs. I'd rather not take the chance

There's no proof he was actually trafficking. He just bought in bulk. Nothing wrong with that.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:06:07 PM
#182:


This man will never be able to get another job again. He'll be torn from his family for 8 years, and then have to resort to crime to make a living. Why do you think that's a good thing? What's the end goal here? How do we benefit by punishing this guy?

Actually, I don't need to think long term. He was the one that should have. Again, he was a huge idiot. I don't care if he had to spend the rest of his days flipping burgers, working in a warehouse or panhandling. He made that choice, not me.

There's no proof he was actually trafficking. He just bought in bulk. Nothing wrong with that.

This was brought up already several times that that quantity alone already makes it trafficking. And nobody buys that much in bulk without clear intent to sell. If he had got home, those things would have instantly been scaled, bagged and on the street by now. I'd prefer him not selling on the street
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:08:18 PM
#183:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Actually, I don't need to think long term. He was the one that should have. Again, he was a huge idiot. I don't care if he had to spend the rest of his days flipping burgers, working in a warehouse or panhandling. He made that choice, not me.

There's literally no benefit to jailing him for this. That's my point. Throwing him in jail ruins his family and makes the country worse in the long term. He didn't ruin his family, enforcing this backwards law did. If the cops looked the other way, everyone would have been better off.

__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
This was brought up already several times that that quantity alone already makes it trafficking. And nobody buys that much in bulk without clear intent to sell. If he had got home, those things would have instantly been scaled, bagged and on the street by now. I'd prefer him not selling on the street

I would if I had access to it. I bought a pound once and never sold any of it.

Even if he had been intending to sell it I don't see that as a reason to jail him either, but that's a different argument for a different topic.
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stone
10/20/18 7:11:29 PM
#184:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Lots of harmless laws exist. I'd prefer assisted suicide be legal but that's my opinion and irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the law.

And those laws should be ignored.

A bad law should never be enforced.

This is what happened in this case. Guy ignored the law, and got bitten for it. Next time, follow the damn law.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:12:25 PM
#185:


stone posted...
This is what happened in this case. Guy ignored the law, and got bitten for it. Next time, follow the damn law.

Bad laws should not be enforced.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:13:31 PM
#186:


There's literally no benefit to jailing him for this. That's my point. Throwing him in jail ruins his family and makes the country worse in the long term. He didn't ruin his family, enforcing this backwards law did. If the cops looked the other way, everyone would have been better off.


A person who knowingly commits such a big felon shouldn't have kids period. He knowingly risked his family. People like that don't deserve it because that's terrible parenting. And it doesn't make the country worse. He was a musician, he will be fine.

I would if I had access to it. I bought a pound once and never sold any of it.

Even if he had been intending to sell it I don't see that as a reason to jail him either, but that's a different argument for a different topic.


Because if weed was gonna be sold, it Should be in a business where highschoolers and gradeschools can't get it. That restriction doesn't exist on the street
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:16:17 PM
#187:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
A person who knowingly commits such a big felon shouldn't have kids period. He knowingly risked his family. People like that don't deserve it because that's terrible parenting. And it doesn't make the country worse. He was a musician, he will be fine.

He knowingly did nothing wrong. That's the point I keep enforcing here. Just because there's a stupid law against it doesn't make him in the wrong. The only ones in the wrong are the politicians who continue the war on drugs and the cops that enforce these backwards laws.

__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Because if weed was gonna be sold, it Should be in a business where highschoolers and gradeschools can't get it. That restriction doesn't exist on the street

Right, because everyone who sells it clearly has no morals and will sell it to kids. Why do you think those who are willing to break a bad law are willing to break all laws? I jaywalk, yet I wouldn't sell drugs to kids or kill someone.
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stone
10/20/18 7:18:39 PM
#188:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
stone posted...
This is what happened in this case. Guy ignored the law, and got bitten for it. Next time, follow the damn law.

Bad laws should not be enforced.

And bad posters should not be given attention. Good night to you.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:21:39 PM
#189:


He knowingly did nothing wrong. That's the point I keep enforcing here. Just because there's a stupid law against it doesn't make him in the wrong. The only ones in the wrong are the politicians who continue the war on drugs and the cops that enforce these backwards laws

If I killed a known seriel pedophile, maybe I'd feel justified and this I did nothing wrong too. But I still would know that what I did was against the law and for that reason, jail would be appropriate. I know it's somewhat of a false equivalency (kinda) but you get the idea. Don't like the law? Work to change it but don't blatantly break it until it is changed.

Right, because everyone who sells it clearly has no morals and will sell it to kids. Why do you think those who are willing to break a bad law are willing to break all laws? I jaywalk, yet I wouldn't sell drugs to kids or kill someone


Not a chance I'm willing to take
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:24:28 PM
#190:


Killing people harms the person you kill. Driving with weed in your car harms nobody
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:26:45 PM
#191:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Killing people harms the person you kill. Driving with weed in your car harms nobody


Right but the idea is that we are talking about bad laws and bad is relevant. There are several people who think killing a seriel pedophile is a good thing and that the law should look passed that.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:27:33 PM
#192:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Killing people harms the person you kill. Driving with weed in your car harms nobody


Right but the idea is that we are talking about bad laws and bad is relevant. There are several people who think killing a seriel pedophile is a good thing and that the law should look passed that.

Regardless, I'm talking about victimless crimes. If there's no victim, nobody should be punished.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:28:26 PM
#193:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Killing people harms the person you kill. Driving with weed in your car harms nobody


Right but the idea is that we are talking about bad laws and bad is relevant. There are several people who think killing a seriel pedophile is a good thing and that the law should look passed that.

Regardless, I'm talking about victimless crimes. If there's no victim, nobody should be punished.


But that's just it when you get into trafficking. People CAN get hurt which is why I brought up dealers selling to kids
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Darklit_Minuet
10/20/18 7:29:07 PM
#194:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
But that's just it when you get into trafficking. People CAN get hurt which is why I brought up dealers selling to kids

Then punish those selling to kids specifically.

Those not selling, or those selling to willing adults, did nothing that merits punishment.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 7:31:44 PM
#195:


Well regardless, my opinion is people like this can go to prison. It's not like it was a small amount. There was no way he didn't know what he was doing. People need to focus more on changing the law than breaking it if they feel so strong about something. We will just have to agree to disagree.

It was nice actually seeing nice civil discussion on gamefaq for a change. Thanks for that. I'm busy now but have a nice night!
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catboy0_0
10/20/18 7:34:17 PM
#196:


__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
People need to focus more on changing the law than breaking it if they feel so strong about something.

I agree for the most part.
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Jonestown
10/20/18 10:14:42 PM
#197:


DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.


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ModLogic
10/20/18 10:18:36 PM
#198:


DirkDiggles posted...
What three pounds of pot looks like.

mjmEy48

*this wasn't this case

People who say that this wasn't trafficing are either dense or just trolling.

or sympathetic due to their own drug addiction

fuck druggies
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Jonestown
10/20/18 11:16:43 PM
#199:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
LeoRyan posted...
Only a moron would literally defend transporting 3 pounds of weed to the other side of the county in a state where weed is illegal.

Why wouldn't you defend doing something harmless?


Because its against the law in Mississippi. Want to smoke weed? Move to a state where its legal. Better yet, stay in Oregon, which the dumb ass in the news story failed to do.
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Space_Man
10/20/18 11:19:54 PM
#200:


Jonestown posted...
Because its against the law in Mississippi. Want to smoke weed? Move to a state where its legal. Better yet, stay in Oregon, which the dumb ass in the news story failed to do.

This. Even if it's legal on a federal level there are more than likely gonna be limitations and I'm just gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that 3 pounds will still be over that limit.

It's shit for him but still the law. Weeds slowly becoming legal across the board and idiots like him trafficking it from legal states to illegal states isn't helping move things forward.
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